Debuffs on Red/Purple Named, What does/should work.

**Shade** · 11-21-2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Drakons20

Have you tried using Greater Dispell on Boss's yet? I'm sure since they are Boss's they have buffs up, maybe this will take away buffs that could make them vunerable.

Most raid bosses don't buff themselves much.
The ones that do, reapply the buffs after you dispell them.
Velay for example starts with shield, you can dispell it, do some magic missles, but she recasts it fairly fast.

Demon Queen does allot of buffs you can dispell.. But she recasts them nearly instantly every teleport, and on harder difficulties - elite/epic.. There pretty well impossible to dispell anyways due to her caster lvl. (~25+ on elite, 40+ on epic)

**Shade** · 11-26-2009, 02:36 AM

Got crushing despair on my sorc now since there's not much else to get at that level. Glad to report I was wrong and it works fine.

Generally requires SR check + boss rolling a 1 to land. But given how fast we can laydown this debuff, it wasn't actaully much of a problem for me to throw down 20 casts. Cooldown is only ~2 seconds iirc, so ~40-50 seconds to land it. Decent debuff if you have a high enough spell pen to get thru almost every attempt. Landed it on nearly every boss in ToD (tho generally took ~10-20 casts):
Judge:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/675...nshot02528.jpg
Horoth:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5...nshot02529.jpg

Can also peg down judges SR on normal there. About 32, (suceed on 4+) pretty weak.

Was able to throw it down on Horoth rather fast, along with stoning orthons and having lots of sp to mix in some nukes on horoth.. You can see that group had rather high dps tho so sp wasnt an issue.

**zooble** · 11-26-2009, 05:30 AM

i used wave of exhaution on the demon boss in weapon shipment normal

it worked but it only reduced it by 10 max

if you inspect the boss it says something like "boss ward - cannot reduce stat to 0 or by more than 10 pts"

curse spell didn't work on gop undead beholder/above demon (although i have landed a cursespew on that beholder)

**winsom** · 11-27-2009, 12:35 PM

I confirmed the red-named warforged on Mt. Reysalon is completely immune to Sleet Storm.
No "blind" messages. I was seeing "blur" concealment messages as expected

orange-named are still affected by sleet-storm blindness

I confirmed the Storm Reaver is now immune to my Ray of Enfeeblement

**Shade** · 12-12-2009, 07:19 PM

Bump for an important issue.

**drachine** · 12-13-2009, 01:18 PM

I was asking myself this the other day. Damaging spell like ball lightning and chain lightning sometimes don't land at all on Arreiteikos now on normal. I was thinking of dropping it for Lightning Bolt. Less damage but more reliable. It lands each time.

I dropped Acid Fog because its basically useless for Reconstruct which I don't need as I already have Repair Critical Damage which mine hits for enough.

Also I am getting contrary reports about Waves of Exhaustion and Waves of Fatigue. Someone tested in the PvP area and confirms they do stack. So it works differently on monsters? This seems to be a trend now.

I picked up Ray of Enfeeblement just before purple named bosses became immune on my Sorcerer. Still works on red, but will probably drop it now.

One has to wonder as a caster, what is next? And why don't they fix the spells that are broken. I think i'm going to shelf mine for now.

**Vienemen** · 12-22-2009, 05:05 PM

Am I right in saying the first post of this isnt 100% accurate due to the follow-on posts made? Would like to cite this for the handbook but I will have to retype it if it isnt updated

and on a side note...these issues above disturb me as well. Has anyone seen any discussion from anyone at turbine as to why these changes were implemented or do we have to start up a linch mob?

**Shade** · 12-23-2009, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Vienemen

Am I right in saying the first post of this isnt 100% accurate due to the follow-on posts made? Would like to cite this for the handbook but I will have to retype it if it isnt updated

and on a side note...these issues above disturb me as well. Has anyone seen any discussion from anyone at turbine as to why these changes were implemented or do we have to start up a linch mob?

The OP is 100% accurate, it has been updated to reflect any updates in followup posts.

Turbine still hasn't posted a single word on any of these stealth changes and none were ever mentioned in the release notes.

**Schmoe** · 09-09-2010, 04:56 PM

Is there any chance we could get this stickied, perhaps moved to the User Guides section, and more up to date information based on recent updates?

No, I don't think I ask for too much

**fuzzy1guy** · 09-09-2010, 05:28 PM

The update 7 notes seem to indicate that they are nerfing waves of exaustion. No more movement speed debuff.

Which will make it fairly useless.. -str or not. i've never noticed harry hitting for noticably less dmg when exausted or not.

The speed debuff was the thing.

And it's leaving.

**Schmoe** · 09-10-2010, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by fuzzy1guy

The update 7 notes seem to indicate that they are nerfing waves of exaustion. No more movement speed debuff.

Which will make it fairly useless.. -str or not. i've never noticed harry hitting for noticably less dmg when exausted or not.

The speed debuff was the thing.

And it's leaving.

I know that the speed debuff is the only reason it's used on bosses in quests like ADQ2 and Bastion of Power. I guess it's still worthwhile to make trash easier, but it's yet another interesting option taken away from boss battles.

It's frustrating that, while people are petitioning to remove blanket immunities from red and purple-names, Turbine is actually adding more.

**muffinlad** · 09-10-2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Schmoe

I know that the speed debuff is the only reason it's used on bosses in quests like ADQ2 and Bastion of Power. I guess it's still worthwhile to make trash easier, but it's yet another interesting option taken away from boss battles.

It's frustrating that, while people are petitioning to remove blanket immunities from red and purple-names, Turbine is actually adding more.

Agree. Constant immunity granting makes the fights more and more frequently "Lets stand here an hit it", rather than allow any shade of grey or change.

Not fun.

muffinsorc

**Merlocke** · 09-12-2010, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by fuzzy1guy

The update 7 notes seem to indicate that they are nerfing waves of exaustion. No more movement speed debuff.

Which will make it fairly useless.. -str or not. i've never noticed harry hitting for noticably less dmg when exausted or not.

The speed debuff was the thing.

And it's leaving.

Well, this free's up yet another spell slot for my sorc.

I hope the dev's have a look at this thread, since they claim they're trying to encourage variety.

**tinyelvis** · 09-12-2010, 11:20 PM

It was a tough choice to take at that spell level. Now, the choice need not be made. File it with Mordenkainen's Disjunction. One of these days they will make more useful spells than we have slots to carry. What then, play a wizard?

**fuzzy1guy** · 09-13-2010, 03:23 AM

Yup.. Once update 7 nerfs waves..

I don't want to ever hear partys asking for it again. Because i wont have it loaded.
And i'll give a 10 minute lecture on why it's now stupid and useless to even have it loaded. And i'll call you a gimp for not reading the update notes.

It won't do any good except for trashmobs.. And theres better ways to deal with trashmobs already.

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