What makes a "good" player?

[quintuss]

Anyone who consistently fails to fail

[Arkat]

I think you might want to substitute "you might be a good player" for "you're a good player". Even really horrid players exhibit these symptoms from time to time.

Indeed! Edited!

[Aussieee]

OMG...I think I'm gonna hurl...





...yes, I think it's coming...





...oh no....here it goes....

What a f**** tease!

[Demoyn]

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you might be a good player.

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

[Aranticus]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

[Eurytos]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

Lots of toughness is not necessarily bad. Pure fighter kensais just going for DPS could fit more than 1 toughness and still take all DPS feats. More HP doesn't hurt.

...And you're describing builds, not players. A good player can still outperform bad ones with subpar builds.

[Slink]

A good player can still outperform bad ones with subpar builds.

This has always been my mindset.
+1 Eury, earned the real way man.

[Cavalier]

For me, personally, a good player is one who comes prepared to a quest.

Whether it is having pots to remove your curses or neutralize poison potions to CSW pots, a good player is ready for most, if not all, situations.

Ultimately though, a good player is based on perception, and since we all have different perceptions, there is no single unifying definition of a good player.

Bad players, though......

[Mithran]

To me, a good player has the following qualities:

1. Tries to get along with other players.
2. Is intelligent.
3. Isn't afraid to let people know when they could be doing things better.
4. Sees what needs to be done at any particular moment, both for their role and others.
5. Leads or follows as appropriate for the circumstances.
6. Sees that no one is left behind.

[Tulsa_Doom]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

This isnt true. Evidently you have never played with Stalksdeath. His ranged character will shock you in its efficiency and proficiency. In fact Ill go as far as to say he was an excellent melee player to begin with that wanted the added challenge of playing a ranged. His ranged toon has never touched a melee weapon. He is an excellent player. Good players can make **** builds outshine the best builds out there.

[maddmatt70]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

I have 4 or so toughness feats on my fighter Norg - my reason is so I can tank the Tower raid on Hard and maybe Elite now. I guess that makes me a bad player.

[maddmatt70]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

Shrug, you do not play with good ranged players - oh well your loss.

[Gornn]

You're a good player if you have fun playing and you never ruin other people's fun doing the same.

That's my only rule.

Gornn

PS: My gimp ranged ranger is fun.

[Arkat]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

Disagree. I have a WF Ftr Heavy Repeater build that ranges wherever possible which is VERY often.

He's tanked Sally twice and neither time did he lose agro.

[Emili]

Ooooo, be quite simple to figure out, come, play with me and I'll let you know if you're good.

You may even try me... shall I be "bad" am more then willing to suck, it up.

[Sweyn]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

I know excatly what you're talking about!!

[Superman22]

Anyone who can play their character well.

If you can keep a cool head when your the last healer left in part 4 of the Shroud and no one else dies after another pass, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a monk who not only contributes to DPS but also regularly uses his ki to help yourself and others (healing, spellpoint reduction, etc.), you might be a good player.

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you might be a good player.

Similarly, if you're an arcane caster who waits a few extra seconds for the melees to get the agro first so they don't chase you when you blast them, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a Bard who is constantly using his songs throughout the adventure so your comrades can take down the mobs faster or so the casters/clerics don't use up their mana as quckly, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a lowbie who uses dungeon features like doorways to your party's advantage, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a rogue and actually maneuver yourself to flank the mob so you get the extra sneak attack damage, you might be a good player.

A corollary to the above is if you're playing a melee (Fighter, Barb, Pally, Ranger) and you manever yourself around the mob so the rogue can flank and get his sneak attacks, you might be a good player.

If you're new to a quest and communicate this to the party leader clearly and then follow their directions well, you might be a good player.


That's it for now.

Well phrased answer, it informs all that play how to participate in a group. It's totally neutral with no baggage or bias attached to any recent events and truly tries to inform the new players how to elevate their code of conduct and improve.

Some things I could add are:

While grouped, ask tons of questions about (builds, necessary items, quest tactics, potent spells, 32 point toons, crowd control, maximized healing, improved crit, threat range & multiplier, race to class combinations, hot bars, alignment bonuses, spell DC's, respectable saving throws & skill points, mixed class perks, bare minimum trap search and what items fit in the best slots.

Good players know all of the above and for new players, (these are the questions you should be asking) you can ask in groups or even better, join a guild asap that you will devote time to and they in you to find out for immediate and concrete results.

Elite Raiders - Kally

[Gawna]

Good players know all of the above and for new players, (these are the questions you should be asking) you can ask in groups or even better, join a guild asap that you will devote time to and they in you to find out for immediate and concrete results.

Elite Raiders - Kally

Whenever I'm in a group with Kally, I like to ask if clothing is optional.

[muffinlad]

A good player is one who communicates intentions and plans with others, esp. new players to the team (regardless of experience) before executing their tactics or strategies.

A great player does not get angry when other team members turn those plans to dust, even when they were so communicated with.


muffincom

[Sylphiel]

if your a cleric named sultri then you are DEFINITELY a bad player :}