What makes a "good" player?

[Jay203]

just personal opinions
what makes a player "good" in your book?

[Slink]

Anyone who isnt a bad player?

[Arkat]

Anyone who can play their character well.

If you can keep a cool head when you're the last healer left in part 4 of the Shroud and no one else dies after another pass, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a monk who not only contributes to DPS but also regularly uses his ki to help yourself and others (healing, spellpoint reduction, etc.), you might be a good player.

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you might be a good player.

Similarly, if you're an arcane caster who waits a few extra seconds for the melees to get the agro first so they don't chase you when you blast them, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a Bard who is constantly using his songs throughout the adventure so your comrades can take down the mobs faster or so the casters/clerics don't use up their mana as quckly, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a lowbie who uses dungeon features like doorways to your party's advantage, you might be a good player.

If you're playing a rogue and actually maneuver yourself to flank the mob so you get the extra sneak attack damage, you might be a good player.

A corollary to the above is if you're playing a melee (Fighter, Barb, Pally, Ranger) and you manever yourself around the mob so the rogue can flank and get his sneak attacks, you might be a good player.

If you're new to a quest and communicate this to the party leader clearly and then follow their directions well, you might be a good player.


That's it for now.

[Yurtrus]

Someone who has killed every slayer in the game, rare and explorer in the game by themselves. I still have 1000 slayers to do in the eerie forest and I am done. So by this account I am not even that good myself Once this goal is completed I can then trust that person to know where every quest is in the game, how to get there and in most cases how to run it properly.

Nothing worse then a level 20 asking where a quest is and asking if you can share it with them. This is just the cherry if you ask me..

[Yajerman01]

when you dont play on khyber as a glory hound but rather just for fun.

[Eurytos]

It's easier to describe bad players than it is to describe good players.


Good players will find legitimate ways to beat content. Bad players intentionally bug content when possible to make it easier. It's even worse when they intentionally try to bug something and it makes it worse for the raid (Suulo part 3)
Example: Judge in Part 1 ToD and Suulo in Part 3

Bad clerics will heal with quicken and maximize on instead of utilizing all their spells wisely. They run out of SP in seconds then moan about resource use. Good clerics will keep everyone alive better without needing potions, and come out making good money.

Bad melees don't understand the concept of flanking. Good melees know how to fight without getting hurt, even if they have 3AC and no reflex saves.

etc etc

[Xalted_Vol]

Anyone who can play their character well.

If you can keep a cool head when your the last healer left in part 4 of the Shroud and no one else dies after another pass, you're a good player.

If you're playing a monk who not only contributes to DPS but also regularly uses his ki to help yourself and others (healing, spellpoint reduction, etc.), you're a good player.

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you're a good player.

Similarly, if you're an acrcane caster who waits a few extra seconds for the melees to get the agro first so they don't chase you when you blast them, you're a good player.

If you're playing a Bard who is constantly using his songs throughout the adventure so your comrades can take down the mobs faster or so the casters/clerics don't use up their mana as quckly, you're a good player.

If you're playing a lowbie who uses dungeon features like doorways to your party's advantage, you're a good player.

If you're playing a rogue and actually maneuver yourself to flank the mob so you get the extra sneak attack damage, you're a good player.

A corollary to the above is if you're playing a melee (Fighter, Barb, Pally, Ranger) and you manever yourself around the mob so the rogue can flank and get his sneak attacks, you're a good player.

If you're new to a quest and communicate this to the party leader clearly and then follow their directions well, you're a good player.


That's it for now.

I also would add someone who can work in a group without causing havok or going out on thier own.

[Eurytos]

I also would add someone who can work in a group without causing havok or going out on thier own.

A good player can judge their abilities well enough to know if they can go off on their own and be just fine, and if they can, it doesn't hurt anyone. Quest is done faster. I've been in quests where the group was clueless and it was easier to just go off alone...

A bad player will run off without regard for their ability, get their ass kicked, and **** everyone off

[Strakeln]

Anyone who can play their character well.

If you can keep a cool head when your the last healer left in part 4 of the Shroud and no one else dies after another pass, you're a good player.

If you're playing a monk who not only contributes to DPS but also regularly uses his ki to help yourself and others (healing, spellpoint reduction, etc.), you're a good player.

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you're a good player.

Similarly, if you're an arcane caster who waits a few extra seconds for the melees to get the agro first so they don't chase you when you blast them, you're a good player.

If you're playing a Bard who is constantly using his songs throughout the adventure so your comrades can take down the mobs faster or so the casters/clerics don't use up their mana as quckly, you're a good player.

If you're playing a lowbie who uses dungeon features like doorways to your party's advantage, you're a good player.

If you're playing a rogue and actually maneuver yourself to flank the mob so you get the extra sneak attack damage, you're a good player.

A corollary to the above is if you're playing a melee (Fighter, Barb, Pally, Ranger) and you manever yourself around the mob so the rogue can flank and get his sneak attacks, you're a good player.

If you're new to a quest and communicate this to the party leader clearly and then follow their directions well, you're a good player.


That's it for now.

I think you might want to substitute "you might be a good player" for "you're a good player". Even really horrid players exhibit these symptoms from time to time.

[Arkat]

I think you might want to substitute "you might be a good player" for "you're a good player". Even really horrid players exhibit these symptoms from time to time.

Indeed! Edited!

[Demoyn]

If you're playing a ranged character who waits for someone else to get agro before unloading so the mobs don't chase YOU instead, you might be a good player.

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

[Aranticus]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

[Eurytos]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

Lots of toughness is not necessarily bad. Pure fighter kensais just going for DPS could fit more than 1 toughness and still take all DPS feats. More HP doesn't hurt.

...And you're describing builds, not players. A good player can still outperform bad ones with subpar builds.

[maddmatt70]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

to me a good player will know the characteristics of the classes he play and minimise the negatives

ie dex based dwarven ranger = bad, elf/drow low con caster loaded with hp items = good

I have 4 or so toughness feats on my fighter Norg - my reason is so I can tank the Tower raid on Hard and maybe Elite now. I guess that makes me a bad player.

[Sweyn]

too many toughness is usually a sign of the bad player

I know excatly what you're talking about!!

[Tulsa_Doom]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

This isnt true. Evidently you have never played with Stalksdeath. His ranged character will shock you in its efficiency and proficiency. In fact Ill go as far as to say he was an excellent melee player to begin with that wanted the added challenge of playing a ranged. His ranged toon has never touched a melee weapon. He is an excellent player. Good players can make **** builds outshine the best builds out there.

[Eurytos]

This isnt true. Evidently you have never played with Stalksdeath. His ranged character will shock you in its efficiency and proficiency. In fact Ill go as far as to say he was an excellent melee player to begin with that wanted the added challenge of playing a ranged. His ranged toon has never touched a melee weapon. He is an excellent player. Good players can make **** builds outshine the best builds out there.

Slimebag ftw

[maddmatt70]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

Shrug, you do not play with good ranged players - oh well your loss.

[Gornn]

You're a good player if you have fun playing and you never ruin other people's fun doing the same.

That's my only rule.

Gornn

PS: My gimp ranged ranger is fun.

[Arkat]

Negative. Good players don't play ranged characters... EVER.

Disagree. I have a WF Ftr Heavy Repeater build that ranges wherever possible which is VERY often.

He's tanked Sally twice and neither time did he lose agro.