binding items

[DoofusBrains]

I think I understand what binding means: account binding = bound to you and any of your account's characters can use it. character binding = only the character it was bound to can use it. Right? ok here's what I'm not sure about.
1) Does binding prevent damage to a bound object, period? Or does the item get damaged, and just not take permanent damage from repairs?
2) Does both character binding and account binding receive this benefit of non-permanent damage?
Thanks y'all. Having loads of fun on DDO!

[Visty]

1) yes, only no perma dmg. it can still break
2) both

[RS-Makk]

Can I take an item that isnt bound and make it bound (if so, how)?

[Sirea]

You take the level of the item and square it, and that's how many Khyber Dragonshard Fragments it'll take to bind it in the Stone of Change next to the Lordsmarch Bank.

So if an item has a minimum level of 4, it'll take 16 Khyber Dragonshard Fragments to bind and attune it to your toon.

Minimum level 1 items take 400 of them to bind.

[Depravity]

Can I take an item that isnt bound and make it bound (if so, how)?

Collect khyber dragonshard fragments
Place the item in the stone of change* with its minimum level squared** in fragments.
Click the obvious button
????
Profit!

This will bind the item to your character, and open up the way for you to add a minor upgrade to it.

* Big slab-looking thing with fangs growing out of it outside the marketplace bank.
** If there's no minimum level on the piece of equipment, you need 400 fragments.

[RS-Makk]

Thanks.

Once bound, no way to unbind it? Ie - once I mess with it with the stone of change I can't turn around and sell it at the ah later?

I didn't realize binding would prevent permanent damage (I think that is what was said above), so not I am wondering if some things I am sure I'll need for a while should get bound even if I don't add further enhancements to them.

[Visty]

bound is bound stays bound otherwise it would be stupid to not bind things and later unbind them if you wanna get rid of them

they take no permadamage but you cant mail them around anymroe

[Shamurai]

So when you say take Lvl ^ Lvl Khyber shards are you referring to "average Khyber Dragonshards" or just the fragments.

So to bind a lvl 1 item do you need:
Lvl 1: 400 Khyber Shards(KS) = 1,000 Small Khyber Shards(SKS) = 5,000 Tiny Khyber Shards(TKS) = 5,000,000(KSF) Khyber Shard Fragments.

Lvl 2: 4 (KS) = 10 (KS) = 50(TKS) = 5,000 (KSF)

ooh wait.. you said.. fragments... that's a whole lot less LOL.. sorry... so um what are bigger shards for.. higher rituals?

But TBH, why would you bind something you will probably outlevel in 1-2 levels thereby rendering it untradeable?

[Visty]

ooh wait.. you said.. fragments... that's a whole lot less LOL.. sorry... so um what are bigger shards for.. higher rituals?

fragments, yes

the higher versions are used for the trap the soul spell, an arcane lvl8 one
maybe they add another things for those to do, we dont know

But TBH, why would you bind something you will probably outlevel in 1-2 levels thereby rendering it untradeable?

well, you dont just bind everything, usually only items you plan on using much later, esp if you wanna add the rituals to them

[Shamurai]

Ah that makes sense about the "adding other rituals" as a reason to bind

~ Do those rituals stack.. like for the Adamntine one.. can I do like all of them for x5 Hardness bumps?
~ Can those rituals be used on "bound" items acquired from quest or do you need to bind and attune anything you want to ritual up?

I've been gathering shards and just piling them in the bank.. have no idea how many I have but I don't suspect it' much.. buut I do have vials, and other collectibles on that list.. hmm..


Researched this regarding Trap the Soul:

• Sorcerer and Wizard level 8 spell
• School: Conjuration
• Usable Metamagic: Quicken Spell, Heighten Spell, Enlarge Spell
• Components: Somatic, Verbal
  
  • 10HD version of the spell requires a Tiny Khyber Dragonshard as material spell component. (One per a cast)
  • 20HD version requires a Small Khyber Dragonshard.
  • 30HD version requires a Average Khyber Dragonshard.
  • Components needed to cast this spell cannot be skipped with Eschew Materials feat .
• Further more these Soul Gems are combined wiht Adamantine Ore to to increase hardness and durability with that Adamantine Rituals I,II, III, IV, V

~~ Interesting.. so what do Siberys Dragonshard do?
~~ Can I cast Alchemical Armor Eldritch Ritual and Alchemical ShieldEldritch Ritual on an armor and a shield to get +2 bonus to dodge and AC.. since Dodge bonuses stack?

Sorry for all the questions.. I'm trying to sponge up as much info as I can.

[Visty]

Ah that makes sense about the "adding other rituals" as a reason to bind

~ Do those rituals stack.. like for the Adamntine one.. can I do like all of them for x5 Hardness bumps?
~ Can those rituals be used on "bound" items acquired from quest or do you need to bind and attune anything you want to ritual up?[/LIST]~~ Interesting.. so what do Siberys Dragonshard do?
~~ Can I cast Alchemical Armor Eldritch Ritual and Alchemical ShieldEldritch Ritual on an armor and a shield to get +2 bonus to dodge and AC.. since Dodge bonuses stack?

Sorry for all the questions.. I'm trying to sponge up as much info as I can.

- yes, though you can only have 1 ritual per item. means either the adamantine ritual or...dunno, one of the others
- need to be attuned items, means binding bound items again
- sibery shards are used for feat exchanges
- if you have both rituals they stack for a +2, yes

[Shamurai]

Thanks.. to be clear

Can I do Adamantine Rit I, II, III, IV, then V to get all that additive bonus? or do you just do V and it gives you the cumultive effect from the previous rituals?

[Visty]

you need do to I then II then III then IV and then V

though you should only get the effect of V but not 100% sure of that

[DoofusBrains]

Ok, I think I understand binding. Now it's a matter of what to bind! I have a nice set of armor that I was told I probably shouldn't bind. Level 6, +1 adamantite full plate of false life. I guess what I'm thinking is
1) Won't its resale value to other players be little, since after I'm done using it, it will probably have some permanent damage?
2) Can't I sell it to a pawn even if it's bound? Granted they do pay little.
3) I'm thinking kyber dragonshard fragments are not expensive, and I'm going to end up tossing the armor the same way, whether bound or not.
I guess I could give it to another character, except I don't have a shared bank.
What am I missing? Should I or should I not bind it? I'm leaning towards "should".
Thanks!

[Shamurai]

Ok, I think I understand binding. Now it's a matter of what to bind! I have a nice set of armor that I was told I probably shouldn't bind. Level 6, +1 adamantite full plate of false life. I guess what I'm thinking is
1) Won't its resale value to other players be little, since after I'm done using it, it will probably have some permanent damage?
2) Can't I sell it to a pawn even if it's bound? Granted they do pay little.
3) I'm thinking kyber dragonshard fragments are not expensive, and I'm going to end up tossing the armor the same way, whether bound or not.
I guess I could give it to another character, except I don't have a shared bank.
What am I missing? Should I or should I not bind it? I'm leaning towards "should".
Thanks!

1) It should still have some decent resell value since lvl 6 - lvl 8 is pretty fast and you may not have even incurred any permenant damage to it.. Plus Adamantine armor seems to do well on the AH due to is DR, which is unaffected by Perm Damage
2) IDK if you can still sell it to a broker... but surely it can be sold for next to nothing to a general vendor (haven't tried)
3) You don't need a shared bank to mail it one of your other characters if it's not bound. I mail mana pots and such to my casters from my Paladin

I say Bind only if you have the stuff to put other enchantments you really want on it see Crafting guides on what's available... But honestly most gear below lvl 10 will surely be outgrown very swiftly anyway, I'm not binding or attuning until then myself, but I'm new and don't have the credentials to offer a Veterans opinion.

You may be better off selling it to AH to help pay for your better lvl 8 req armor. I saw a set of +4 Adamantie Plate selling for 60K - 80K PLAT.. thats' waaay above its Listed value so waaaaaaay waaaaaay above what any vendor would give.

[Steiner-Davion]

1) yes, only no perma dmg. it can still break
2) both

TOTALLY WRONG

Items Bound Character can only be used by that Charcater and cannot be sold to a broker or traded or put up on the AH. Account Bind items follow the same restrictions above, but can be placed into the Shared Bank Account and used by other characters on that Account.

Bound to Character/Bound to Acocunt has nothing to do with item Damage or Damage Prevention. They are just restircted in what you can do with hem. They still take Regular Damage and Can be Permanently Damaged.

Binding and Attuning an item to your Character Via the Stone of Change Ritual (requires a number of Khyber Dragon Shards equal to the Minimum level of the itm Squared, or 144 for no minimum level items) binds it to that character no matter if if Bound to Character or Bound to Account. It can now only be used by that specific character, BUT it no longer takes Permanent Damage when it is repaired, altough it can still be damaged and can break if it is not repaired.

[Visty]

TOTALLY WRONG

Items Bound Character can only be used by that Charcater and cannot be sold to a broker or traded or put up on the AH. Account Bind items follow the same restrictions above, but can be placed into the Shared Bank Account and used by other characters on that Account.

Bound to Character/Bound to Acocunt has nothing to do with item Damage or Damage Prevention. They are just restircted in what you can do with hem. They still take Regular Damage and Can be Permanently Damaged.

Binding and Attuning an item to your Character Via the Stone of Change Ritual (requires a number of Khyber Dragon Shards equal to the Minimum level of the itm Squared, or 144 for no minimum level items) binds it to that character no matter if if Bound to Character or Bound to Account. It can now only be used by that specific character, BUT it no longer takes Permanent Damage when it is repaired, altough it can still be damaged and can break if it is not repaired.

lol, first you say they can get perma damage and then you quote the notes where it says that they dont get perma damage

thx for prooving me right

bound items dont get permanent damage at all

so to you too:
TOALLY WRONG

[Steiner-Davion]

lol, first you say they can get perma damage and then you quote the notes where it says that they dont get perma damage

thx for prooving me right

bound items dont get permanent damage at all

so to you too:
TOALLY WRONG

Actually, No. Reading Comprehension for the Win

What I was saying, was that there is a very LARGE and DISTINCT Difference between items that you find in chests or as Raid Loot or are given as a Semi-Static or Static Reward and are either Bound to Character or Bound to Account and items that you, yourself make Bound to your Character, via the Binding and Attuning Stone of Change Ritual.

NOTE: Turbine should change the descripton for the effect applied to items after the Stone of Change Ritual to just say: "Attuned" or "Attuned to Character" to help avoid this common confusion.

Only items that Attuned do not take Permanent Damage. I will post some screen shots for you when I get back from work tongiht to help clear this up. But just because the item says it is bound to Character does not mean it cannot take permanent damage.

[Tolero]

In the interest of my own sanity and retaining my rule over the tinfoil hat of hats....

- Attuned items take no permanent damage.
- Neither do bound items
- Attuned items are bound, but not all bound items are attuned. which I mention in reference to people who are wanting to perform eldritch rituals on items.

[Missing_Minds]

Attuned items take no permanent damage. Attuned items are bound, but not all bound items are attuned.

I've never had a bound and not attuned item take perm damage. Ever. And yes, I have died a lot, and beaten a lot of slimes.

*sigh* I hope people can read the lines then. *starts to stock up on fragments to attune raid loot now.*