20th Level Warforged Monk??

[Creeper]

The sole purpose of rolling a wf monk is to NOT go dex/wis based...

What is it then?

Because in your first post you said:

"I never understood what's the point of rolling a wf monk in the first place anyway, let alone pure at that. "

[Vivanto]

What? I didn't list any halfling benefits.
Yes you did, high dex, better saves, raiment is all a benefit, earth stance is a non-issue since they are the least likely to be built for that, carry capacity is irrelevant, the only thing you did actually get is the -2 str.
Elegant crane??? What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about the negative to fort save?
Ugh, you know this is a discussion regarding monks don't ya? It is an animal path that gets chosen pretty commonly next to monkey. If it wasn't for the high penalty, it would be probably the best way to go.
Robes superior to docents? How?
Already explained, if you wanna argue about semantics, yes there are a very few good docents out there that beat a fleshy armor, however they aren't really suitable for monks
How is earth stance a pro for wf?
Higher and cheaper con, easy to afford qualifying for higher or highest tier earth stances.
Not to be critical but inherent things, by definition are not chosen.
I may have used the wrong word for that, happens when you're not speaking your native language Regardless, you know what I meant.

In red.

[Vivanto]

What is it then?

Because in your first post you said:

"I never understood what's the point of rolling a wf monk in the first place anyway, let alone pure at that. "

Exactly, because there isn't any good reason to roll it, even if you wanna desperately make up one, going dex/wis base is the worst excuse you can pick.

[Hellllboy]

Bah! That is horrible news-I never thought about the fact that they may not be able to be repaired after they transcend races. Guess I will shelve my WF Monk until this is changed or corrected. Not very fair if I understand it correctly. There should be a way to allow full healing to all races-repair or heal. How do any other "outsiders" get healed?

[Creeper]

In red.

I am still confused. You are the only one who has mentioned earth stance. If it is a non-issue then why did you mention it? I never said anything about it and you are using it as an arguement against WF monks. Why would anybody take earth stance anyway? WF or otherwise?

What penalty are you talking about? the negative to fort save? You know WF get a bonus to con + enhancements which + fort save? So, what does this have to do with halfling vs. WF?

Robes are superior to docents in what way? Why aren't they suitable for monks? Please, give us an ideal configuration of equipment for a fleshy monk to compare with.

What race/level is your monk, and what equipment does he have? Let's go all out and compare.

[Eladrin]

Basically what I need to know is if this is working as intended?

This is not working as intended. Warforged Monks should be repairable even after they acquire Perfect Self.

[Xionanx]

I won't post, I don't play a halfling monk because I frankly don't believe they are so **** superior to anyone. However, basic math shows that wf is in fact inferior.

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The sole purpose of rolling a wf monk is to NOT go dex/wis based...

Actually, the choice of going DEX/WIS based is not dependant on class, but for ***** and giggles lets do some "extreme" examples of a WF and a Halfling who both decide they are gonna be 100% DEX/WIS Based!!

WF Stats 32PT
STR 8
DEX 36 (Base 18 +6 Item +3 Exceptional +4 Tome +5 Levels)
CON 10 +2 Warforged
INT 8
WIS 32 (Base 16 +3 Monk +6 Item +3 Exceptional +4 Tome)
CHA 6
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13 Dex AC
11 Wis AC
24 AC From Stats

Halfling Stats 32PT
STR 6
DEX 40 (Base 20 +2 Halfling +6 Item +3 Exceptional +4 Tome +5 Levels)
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 34 (Base 18 +3 Monk +6 Item +3 Exceptional +4 Tome)
CHA 8
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15 Dex AC
12 Wis AC
27 AC From Stats

So even the most extreme example you could only ever achieve a +3 AC Stat Advantage.

Now using the info you posted before and CORRECTED for accuracy.

Warforged:
+2 Composit Plating (Inherent)
+5 DT Docent (Docent)
+2 Reinforced Plating (Docent)
+4 Insight Bonus (Docent)
+1 Dodge Bonus (Docent Alchemical)
+2 Dodge (Chaosguard Bracers)
+3 Dodge Chattering Ring
+5 Deflection (+5 Cloack of Protection)
+24 Stats
+5 Centered
+10 Base
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63 AC

Halfling
+1 Size AC (Inherent)
+8 AC Bracers (Bracer Slot)
+4 Dodge (Icy Raiment)
+1 Dodge (Alchemical Ritual)
+3 Dodge (Chattering Ring)
+5 Deflection (+5 Cloak of Protection)
+27 Stats
+5 Centered
+10 Base
--------------------------------------------
64 AC

This is using only the exact same items slots, you had originally included a +4 Insight on the halfling without detailing where it came from. I'm assuming a shroud item? So I "made" the shroud Item that would give that:

+5 Greensteel Kama (1d8, 20/x2) With +1 AC (Insight) , +2 AC (Insight) - +3 AC (deflection), +3 saves (resistance), +10 balance, +4 AC (Insight) - Elemental Mastery (+1d6 acid, electric, fire, cold, 10-20% for each)

Since Insight Bonus's dont stack, you take the Highest one. So you would get a +4 Insight to AC while Wielding a Greensteel Kama Bringing your AC to a total of 5 Better then the Warforged not wielding anything.

Obviously No one would build thier toons with these kind of stats, but I think it makes my point pretty clearly. WF are perfectly capable of going DEX/WIS based and using a Docent rather then the Icy Raiments.

[spifflove]

Man I am very sorry go to shades max dps barbarian build to look up how to mitigate damage to get 100?% healing on a wf.

At least you will be fixed...soon!

[Xionanx]

This is not working as intended. Warforged Monks should be repairable even after they acquire Perfect Self.

Awesome!! Thanks for the response!

Any idea on when this will be corrected?

[Hellllboy]

This is not working as intended. Warforged Monks should be repairable even after they acquire Perfect Self.

There are many happy WF after reading this news-can we expect this to be fixed in a upcomming patch?

[Vivanto]

I am still confused. You are the only one who has mentioned earth stance. If it is a non-issue then why did you mention it? I never said anything about it and you are using it as an arguement against WF monks. Why would anybody take earth stance anyway? WF or otherwise?
... sigh, I already explained it, will try 1 last time for you. I mentioned it as a possible benefit for going wf which is negated, what is so **** hard to understand on this?
What penalty are you talking about? the negative to fort save? You know WF get a bonus to con + enhancements which + fort save? So, what does this have to do with halfling vs. WF?
Which contradicts one of your original "drawback" for halfling getting higher saves, as - according to you - that should be considered a disadvantage, now you try proving the opposite for a wf. Try a bit more consistency.
Robes are superior to docents in what way? Why aren't they suitable for monks? Please, give us an ideal configuration of equipment for a fleshy monk to compare with.
I meant the docents that are superior to armor (clothing or otherwise) are not a good choice for monks, these being.. yeah dod, that's pretty much it, in every other cases you can get fleshy armor of similar or better power. Even 1 of many possible item configs is listed already.
What race/level is your monk, and what equipment does he have? Let's go all out and compare.
It ain't no dex/wis build if that makes you comfortable, has moderate ac but since it was not the main purpose of it, it's moot at best in regards to a discussion about extremes and potential maximum differences.

mts.

[Vivanto]

Actually, the choice of going DEX/WIS based is not dependant on class, but for ***** and giggles lets do some "extreme" examples of a WF and a Halfling who both decide they are gonna be 100% DEX/WIS Based!!

While that is true, it is just stupid to go for a certain build type and then pick a race that is in a clear disadvantage in it.

So even the most extreme example you could only ever achieve a +3 AC Stat Advantage.

Which is more than the benefit of what wf get inherently already, just by taking stats into account! And there is even more advantages in equipment! yay!

Now using the info you posted before and CORRECTED for accuracy.

[snip]

This is using only the exact same items slots, you had originally included a +4 Insight on the halfling without detailing where it came from. I'm assuming a shroud item? So I "made" the shroud Item that would give that:

+5 Greensteel Kama (1d8, 20/x2) With +1 AC (Insight) , +2 AC (Insight) - +3 AC (deflection), +3 saves (resistance), +10 balance, +4 AC (Insight) - Elemental Mastery (+1d6 acid, electric, fire, cold, 10-20% for each)
And who in their right mind would make a trash item like this? Plain strike 2 kamas, one with insight 4 other with whatever you want, make it dex 2 just for kicks.

Since Insight Bonus's dont stack, you take the Highest one. So you would get a +4 Insight to AC while Wielding a Greensteel Kama Bringing your AC to a total of 5 Better then the Warforged not wielding anything.
Nuh uh, yeah I know that, thanks
Obviously No one would build thier toons with these kind of stats, but I think it makes my point pretty clearly. WF are perfectly capable of going DEX/WIS based and using a Docent rather then the Icy Raiments.

What exactly did you need to "correct" on my breakdown there? The potential ac difference is exactly the same, 5 more ac on the fleshy. Even you yourself approved it.

[Creeper]

mts.

... sigh, I already explained it, will try 1 last time for you. I mentioned it as a possible benefit for going wf which is negated, what is so **** hard to understand on this?"

No reason to cuss friend. If you mentioned it as a possible benefit that is negated then it isn't a benefit, right? You also agreed above that it would be "insane" for anyone to take earth stance anyway. So you haven't explained it. What does earth stance have to do with WF?

Which contradicts one of your original "drawback" for halfling getting higher saves, as - according to you - that should be considered a disadvantage, now you try proving the opposite for a wf. Try a bit more consistency.

Ummm.. you are the one who brought it up friend. You said that halflings get an advantage to using crane stance because they negate the - fort save benefit, which WF also do, only more so. Right? I didn't list higher saves as a drawback either, I simply compared it to you saying that immunity to energy drain was redundant. So why did you bring this up as a benefit for halflings when WF get more fort save potential?

It ain't no dex/wis build if that makes you comfortable, has moderate ac but since it was not the main purpose of it, it's moot at best in regards to a discussion about extremes and potential maximum differences.

Then what is it that your monk (race?) has that a WF does not, at least what is it that makes you say that making a WF monk has no purpose?

[Creeper]

Which is more than the benefit of what wf get inherently already, just by taking stats into account! And there is even more advantages in equipment! yay!

This isn't true Viv. How many equipment slots would you have to occupy to equal the DT docent?

You also mentioned the necro necklace. That is another item slot.
Armor bracers another.

[AnderlornLOTR]

Awesome!! Thanks for the response!

Any idea on when this will be corrected?

That is cool and it does not make sense that nothing can heal you!!!

[Vivanto]

So you haven't explained it. What does earth stance have to do with WF?

Already explained, read again.

Ummm.. you are the one who brought it up friend. You said that halflings get an advantage to using crane stance because they negate the - fort save benefit, which WF also do, only more so. Right? I didn't list higher saves as a drawback either, I simply compared it to you saying that immunity to energy drain was redundant. So why did you bring this up as a benefit for halflings when WF get more fort save potential?

Fail, you tried claiming that halfling save is useless, to which I simply used 1 example why it is even with the already high saves progression. It's not me who brought it up being a benefit to hf, you tried to bring it up being a negative which backfired on you being a bonus, ofcourse it is a bonus on wf too, altough until you brought it up, nobody was talking about saves. Actually wf don't get better fort saves, both get 3 ranks, wf higher con base, hf extra save base. Now - contradicting your earlier statement about extra saves being useless - after I proved you they are in fact useful, try to make a point that both races get it, nice. You shouldn't have even mention it in the first place then.

Aaand... reread again, I nowhere said that energy drain immunity is redundant, I adressed that point separately, every other immunities are redundant.

Then what is it that your monk (race?) has that a WF does not, at least what is it that makes you say that making a WF monk has no purpose?

Mine? It has 2 higher wis, 4 higher dex, either 25% better healing and 12 more ap to spend, or 50% better healing, 2 or 3 points more ac, and dosen't whine that it can't be repaired

Already listed several reasons why wf monk is pointless, again, reread and comprehend.
- for ac, fleshy is better
- for self sufficiency, flesh is better
- for dps, fleshy can be equal or better
The only good reason I could accept is to either for flavor and/or in the hopes of the future, which I did too on mine, both actually.
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Try to format your replies more properly, hard to read and can get confusing if you just toss in everything like that...

[Creeper]

Already explained, read again.

Fail, you tried claiming that halfling save is useless, to which I simply used 1 example why it is even with the already high saves progression. It's not me who brought it up being a benefit to hf, you tried to bring it up being a negative which backfired on you being a bonus, ofcourse it is a bonus on wf too, altough until you brought it up, nobody was talking about saves. Actually wf don't get better fort saves, both get 3 ranks, wf higher con base, hf extra save base. Now - contradicting your earlier statement about extra saves being useless - after I proved you they are in fact useful, try to make a point that both races get it, nice. You shouldn't have even mention it in the first place then.

Aaand... reread again, I nowhere said that energy drain immunity is redundant, I adressed that point separately, every other immunities are redundant.

Mine? It has 2 higher wis, 4 higher dex, either 25% better healing and 12 more ap to spend, or 50% better healing, 2 or 3 points more ac, and dosen't whine that it can't be repaired

Already listed several reasons why wf monk is pointless, again, reread and comprehend.

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Try to format your replies more properly, hard to read and can get confusing if you just toss in everything like that...

Forgive me, I don't want this to get personal, but if you already admit english is not your native language you can't really berate me on my replies being hard to read and confusing.

I honestly don't want this to turn into an english lesson of is vs. are, or how to invoke past tense. Let’s just let that die.

Scroll up to when you say:

redundant immunities

I only assumed this was in reference to my reference to immunity to energy drain, which was what you quoted in your post.

Can your monk be healed by repair spells? No. So WF has 100% more healing from repair spells than yours. See how silly it all becomes?

Again I ask you; how is crane stance a benefit to Halflings? You DID list that as a benefit that they had over Warforged. Right? It isn’t true though because WF have the potential to have higher fort saves, in spite of what you just said. Do you agree with that? You forget WF get con enhancements as well if they choose.
WF have potentially higher fort save because of this.

I want to ask again why any WF would ever take earth stance, but you insist that you have already answered that. I still can not find where so I will let that subject rest.

[Creeper]

- for self sufficiency, flesh is better
- for dps, fleshy can be equal or better
The only good reason I could accept is to either for flavor and/or in the hopes of the future, which I did too on mine, both actually.

I'd like for you to shed some light on this as well:

How is "flesh" better for self sufficiency?

How can fleshy have equal or better dps?

Please let us know.

[Vivanto]

Forgive me, I don't want this to get personal, but if you already admit english is not your native language you can't really berate me on my replies being hard to read and confusing.

Because you don't clearly seperate the parts that you quote or is part of your reply, that makes it hard to read. Don't try to compare grammar with formating and punctuation, apples to oranges.

I honestly don't want this to turn into an english lesson of is vs. are, or how to invoke past tense. Let’s just let that die.

It wasn't related to an "english lesson" in any way shape or form, you made it one with this post now. But thanks for being the grammar nazi, I've seen some very amusing posts by supposedly American english speakers.

Scroll up to when you say:



I only assumed this was in reference to my reference to immunity to energy drain, which was what you quoted in your post.

To which I just link you my very first reply to you.

Can your monk be healed by repair spells? No. So WF has 100% more healing from repair spells than yours. See how silly it all becomes?

You and I both know that's just lame.

Again I ask you; how is crane stance a benefit to Halflings? You DID list that as a benefit that they had over Warforged. Right? It isn’t true though because WF have the potential to have higher fort saves, in spite of what you just said. Do you agree with that? You forget WF get con enhancements as well if they choose.
WF have potentially higher fort save because of this.

My original post regarding the enhancement, can't believe I have to do this.

I want to ask again why any WF would ever take earth stance, but you insist that you have already answered that. I still can not find where so I will let that subject rest.

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I have this strange feeling you don't even read when you reply to something, just feel an urge to troll on it pretending(?) you didn't read what's already written.

[Vivanto]

I'd like for you to shed some light on this as well:

How is "flesh" better for self sufficiency?
This can't be a serious question
How can fleshy have equal or better dps?
Human more str and/or accuracy, halfling more dps and accuracy
Please let us know.

mts