20th Level Warforged Monk??

[Xionanx]

OK, So I have recently been informed by my caster friends that they can NO LONGER REPAIR my 20th level WF Monk!

Apparently upon reaching 20th level and becoming an "Outsider" I loose the ability to be repaired.. However as a WF monk I gain NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER from becoming an "outsider" and loosing the ability to be repaired is complete BS IMO since I still take a 50% healing hit for being WF!!

Either:
A) Make me an Outsider who can no longer be repaired yet gets FULL BENEFIT from clerical healing.

or

B) Allow me to continue to be repaired by Wizards since "I retain most construct traits" according to the description

Basically what I need to know is if this is working as intended?

If it IS working as intended then I will delete my WF monk as THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO EVER MAKE A WF MONK and level it to 20

[rimble]

Holy...****...that SUCKS...no way that's working as intended, but you might need to sit him on the shelf for a long time waiting for a fix...

[soubal]

You have transcended your former race, and are now considered a Lawful Outsider. You have gained damage reduction 10 / epic. Warforged retain most living construct traits.

I've always wondered what the significance of that last sentence was...

[Xionanx]

I've always wondered what the significance of that last sentence was...

Apparently the significance is you as a warforged get ****ed

[Creeper]

Very lame...

Let's make this an official petition to change that idiocy.

Save the WF monks!

[Montrose]

Didn't you hear? The level 20 capstone for WF Monks is "extreme mode", which is the difficulty above "elite". You now have to complete all adventures with no arcane healing.

You also get -2 loot levels to all chests and a 10% reduction in DPS.

[Xionanx]

Whats really ****ed up about it is that people dont know wizards cant repair them anymore.. then you have to explain it.. then they want to 'test" it to be sure. Happened in my VoD group this morning.

Tanking suulo on my Monk and I had to explain wizards cant reconstruct me anymore

[Creeper]

Funny thing is I remember a dev saying, when asked, "it meant things like rust monsters could no longer stun them."

That isn't a direct quote but it's pretty close. No mention of - arcane healing.

[Sohryu]

Wow, really? No way that's working as intended. I hope you bugged it.

[Vivanto]

Funny thing is I remember a dev saying, when asked, "it meant things like rust monsters could no longer stun them."

That isn't a direct quote but it's pretty close. No mention of - arcane healing.

Well, supposedly if a rust monster can't stun you, then you are not a construct thus shouldn't be able to be repaired. Tough should recieve full % divine healing then.

Tbh, I never understood what's the point of rolling a wf monk in the first place anyway, let alone pure at that.

[Creeper]

Tbh, I never understood what's the point of rolling a wf monk in the first place anyway, let alone pure at that.

WF power attack
Armor bonus from docents +2 from composite plating
immunity from energy drain
tactics enhancement
+ the healing negative is offset by the monk healing line
only need mod fort, not heavy.

Makes pretty decent choice for monk. I can only hope they add Battlefists soon. I think you will see a lot more wf monks after that.

[Xionanx]

WF power attack
Armor bonus from docents +2 from composite plating
immunity from energy drain
tactics enhancement
+ the healing negative is offset by the monk healing line
only need mod fort, not heavy.

Makes pretty decent choice for monk. I can only hope they add Battlefists soon. I think you will see a lot more wf monks after that.

I had a cleric guildy test the healing offset for me. A "normal" heal on a non WF for him heals for 512.

A heal on my WF with 3 Monks Improved Recovery +30% Healing and 2 Warforged Healers Friend +20% and +20% Healing AMP on my DT Docent was Healing me for 366.

Which IMO the +30% +20% +20% should offset the -50% more then that but thats a different debate for somewhere else.

[Vivanto]

WF power attack outdone by hf guile
Armor bonus from docents +2 from composite plating raiment, and again... hf size bonus and wf wisdom penalty outweights it even with a dt armor
immunity from energy drain necro necky
tactics enhancement does it work on sf?
+ the healing negative is offset by the monk healing line thats a good point because?
only need mod fort, not heavy. you're just kidding here

Makes pretty decent choice for monk. I can only hope they add Battlefists soon. I think you will see a lot more wf monks after that.

I think we will see even less wf monks after this thread.

The only pro would be battlefists for them, but alas we don't have those.

-2 wis
redundant immunities
forced to using docents
only get enhancements for con
low ac
inherent and earth stance dr is outdonbe by perfect self
healing penalty

[Creeper]

I think we will see even less wf monks after this thread.

The only pro would be battlefists for them, but alas we don't have those.

-2 wis
redundant immunities
forced to using docents
only get enhancements for con
low ac
inherent and earth stance dr is outdonbe by perfect self
healing penalty

I could add up a list of negatives to any race like you just did.
You wanna go halfling?

-2 str
redundant saves
forced to using robes
only get enhancements for dex
low carrying capacity
earth stance dr is outdonbe by perfect self

It all sounds silly. Also, WF do not get inherent DR. In the end the choice for any race is personal preference, or perhaps a difference in playstyle. There are pros/cons to every race.

Also, wouldn't the DT docent add an additional +2 to the WF already +2 inherent armor? Total of +4 inherent armor. It also frees up bracer slot to use chaos guard perhaps which give +2 extra dodge bonus.

[Xionanx]

I could add up a list of negatives to any race like you just did.
You wanna go halfling?

-2 str
redundant saves
forced to using robes
only get enhancements for dex
low carrying capacity
earth stance dr is outdonbe by perfect self

It all sounds silly. Also, WF do not get inherent DR. In the end the choice for any race is personal preference, or perhaps a difference in playstyle. There are pros/cons to every race.

Also, wouldn't the DT docent add an additional +2 to the WF already +2 inherent armor? Total of +4 inherent armor. It also frees up bracer slot to use chaos guard perhaps which give +2 extra dodge bonus.

Total Armor Bonus for DT Docent is:
2 Composit Plating
5 for +5 Docent
2 Reinforced Plating
---------------------------
9 Armor Bonus

If your smart you get +4 Insight on it, then add the alchemical Ritual for +1 Dodge

Total AC from DT Docent:
9 Armor
4 Insight
1 Dodge
-------------------------
14 Total AC from 1 Item

Icy Raiments does NOT grant +14 AC

The Docent I currently use on my WF is:
+5 Dragon Touched Docent
+2 Reinforced Plating
+4 Insight Bonus to AC
+5 Resistance Bonus to Saves
+20% Healing Amplification
+1 Dodge from Alchemical Armor Ritual

Icy Raiment Gives:
+4 Dodge
+4 Protection
+3 Resistance

Docent > Raiment

[Vivanto]

I could add up a list of negatives to any race like you just did.
You wanna go halfling?

-2 str
redundant saves which outweights the way of elegant crane, thus actually increasing dps
forced to using robes which are superior to docents
only get enhancements for dex which is synergistic with monks and cloths
low carrying capacity thats a problem since when?
earth stance dr is outdonbe by perfect self earth stance would've been a pro for wf, its irrelevant for a halfling as no sane monk uses it

It all sounds silly. Also, WF do not get inherent DR. In the end the choice for any race is personal preference, or perhaps a difference in playstyle. There are pros/cons to every race.
Actually they do get inherent dr for being a wf, if you choose so.

Also, wouldn't the DT docent add an additional +2 to the WF already +2 inherent armor? Total of +4 inherent armor. It also frees up bracer slot to use chaos guard perhaps which give +2 extra dodge bonus.
As already explained, wf is -2 ac short already which is negated by the inherent bonus, the +2 reinforced plating is outdone by +4 from icy.
If you wanna compare dt+cg, nothing stops a fleshy from doing the same.

Thanks for listing a couple benefits for going halfling tough.

[Xionanx]

Thanks for listing a couple benefits for going halfling tough.

Honestly Vivanto I've had this debate with people before, a DEX/WIS based WF has just as much AC as a Halfling built the same way. If you dont believe me go ahead and post your stats/gear that you think makes your AC DEX/WIS halfling so awesome and I'll show you the equal in WF.

[Creeper]

Thanks for listing a couple benefits for going halfling tough.

What? I didn't list any halfling benefits.

Elegant crane??? What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about the negative to fort save?

Robes superior to docents? How?

How is earth stance a pro for wf?

Not to be critical but inherent things, by definition are not chosen.

[Vivanto]

snip

If you know a thing about ac, you don't care about how many item slot it takes.

In a comparision, you don't care about common bonuses, just the differences:

wf:
+2 composite
+2 reinforced plating

any fleshy:
+1 wisdom
+4 dodge

Everything else can be aquired by both builds, by my book 5 > 4. I won't even start out with you ignoring the alchemical bonus on cloth, but adding it on the docent. But just in case you want it spelled out for you.

wf:
+2 dodge (chaosguard)
+2 composite plate
+6 ac bonus from DT
+3 dodge chattering
+4 insight from either dt or shroud
+1 dodge (alchemic)
+5 deflection (prot item/upgrade)
---
26 from items + stat + center + 10base

hf:
+1 wisdom
+1 dex
+1 size
+8 ac bracer
+4 dodge (icy)
+3 dodge (chattering)
+4 insight
+1 dodge (alchemic)
+5 deflection
---
28 from items (and base stat difference) + center + stat + 10base

Even without going halfling, fleshy > docent. Try again.

[Vivanto]

Honestly Vivanto I've had this debate with people before, a DEX/WIS based WF has just as much AC as a Halfling built the same way. If you dont believe me go ahead and post your stats/gear that you think makes your AC DEX/WIS halfling so awesome and I'll show you the equal in WF.

I won't post, I don't play a halfling monk because I frankly don't believe they are so **** superior to anyone. However, basic math shows that wf is in fact inferior.

edit:

The sole purpose of rolling a wf monk is to NOT go dex/wis based...