My raid loot philosophy....

[Waukeen]

Yeah that was me, since I admit it in public you can now stop your pm war, but whatever.

Sorry for that, but since it was the only single item I needed from that, and it drops for me, hell yeah I will take it. I'm not wasting my time for nothing.
Passed away rolling chances already and only took since it dropped specifically for me. Know what, in 200 runs I've never seen it drop for me at all, not once.

The reason I didn't quick ninja it but left it in chest for a bit was exactly that ppl will realize that I'm aware of what I get not just ignorantly ninjaing. People would've just as noticed me taking it regardless, but would be even more upset if I took it in a heartbeat. Shall I tell you a story about a pure healbot cleric with the tharne goggles? (and no, I was not upset, didn't whine, actually already had the goggles but it's still odd), rest assured that cleric will have way less use of the goggles than I will have for the shield.

Btw how dare you judge my playstyle and claim I won't have any use of it? I use a shield a lot more than you may think, even on twf.



Perhaps I should've stated the same thing on this thread prior to that raid. I was fully expecting a waa whaa thread or something similar.

Again, sorry.

I am with you on this one. Its your loot. Take it even if you only intend on using it situationally. It is more than fair for the person putting something up for a roll to deny the chance to whom they see fit, or even hold a guild/friends only roll. It is their item to do with what they wish. Deal with it, or come crying to the forums.

[Arlith]

Again, sorry.

Why? I wouldn't be. I would have done the exact same if I felt I needed it. It was your loot, take it and the world be damned if they don't like it.

[Dragonhyde]

These types of arguements are why I rarely join pug groups and low man what raids I can so I do not have to defend looting an item that I have been hunting for because omg I am the wrong class for the item (lol I have even had people roll on a bloodstone I pulled on my cleric when checking on the chest before going into wiz king) . I never roll for what the general public considers certain class items when i do pug but I also do not let myself be bullied by blacklist threats into giving up what I pulled either. Maybe one day Turbine will in their wisdom add the option to hide your loot pulls.

[Vivanto]

Why? I wouldn't be. I would have done the exact same if I felt I needed it. It was your loot, take it and the world be damned if they don't like it.

To some degree I can understand his frustration. I know exactly how it feels if you've done x raid n times, and you still don't get what you wish on the nth+1 run.
On the flip side of that, I also know how it feels to give up 3 years worth of grinding and character development and have to start brand new from scratch on the US servers ^^.

I never roll for what the general public considers certain class items when i do pug but I also do not let myself be bullied by blacklist threats into giving up what I pulled either.

I've the exact same mindset, never rolled on something I wanted but ppl would've gone omg. Even passed away many items I wished for, dropped for me, but had some friends in raid I knew could use better.

[gaxpar]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

Would have i read that before we wouldnt have ran together ...

Thanks for being so transparent on your intentions , definately a plus to the community .We see so many rogues running around with a blue shield (Lorriks champion not leviks btw) and everyone sees rogue everyday in every quest running with that shield and actually shield block right..................Hound visions sorjek shroud etc etc ...Ouberzzzz

Good job on having so much consideration for your fellow players you really sound like a great guy and a generous person .

[Vivanto]

Would have i read that before we wouldnt have ran together ...

I see you share the same lack of reading comprehension as Kraak, good to know so I won't have to waste my time explaining anything to you anymore.

[gaxpar]

The way I see it, taking the V.O.D. bracers on your fighter for the "fire shield clicky," over a sorcerer....makes you a cold S.O.B. Yet it is your loot! Who am I to judge? For all I know it’s your 69th run and you've needed them in order to solo the Shroud. Now I'm not saying, if I'm that Sorc, I'm not pi$$ed off! Oh, I will be, I'm human. I'll cuss and whine in vent that some dumba$$ fighter took my bracers, but I won't come here and air it out.....because I could have just as easily have been the fighter.

Now leaving it in the chest, because I already have them. Or looting them to sell. That is just Ignorance...but it is their loot. Which is why I lead my own parties, so they can't get in them.

Those that are selfish and avaricious usualy end up with a well known reputation and find it harder and harder to get groups... limiting the amount of loot they can acquire. So go ahead and take that Archmagi bracer or Levik's shield and vendor it for pennies...

Those that are generous and kind usually end up with a good reputation, find it easy to get in groups and finish more quests and end up with more loot. People will pass things over to them because they either received something from that person or have a friend/guildmate that did.

Things are not perfectly compensated. If I give A person X loot today they may not remember and give me X loot next time we are in a raid and the situation is reversed but that shouldn't be the expectation anyway. But I do believe that those who help others will, in the end, end up further ahead than those that only take.

opposite side of the fence of the dbags who would loot two items with signet stones and are cited as examples to why the raid loot policy was changed.

A guy who would vendor a +3 Tome without even asking if someone else may want it has to be the epitome of a selfish loner who goes against the very nature of a MMO game and anyone who would back up the opinion that vendoring a +3 tome because it was their loot is so far off the ranch as to not even warrant a reply to. I believe that it falls under Legion's coined term "Pileon".

Cool - can you provide a list of alts if you even play on Thelanis, before TnT strikes this thread? Or even PM them to me .

Unless you're solo'ing the raid. I would have to disagree. The current mechanic is barely better than the last one and it drives the opportunity to say - its nobody's business. (Except the %'s are off and its clear that the % for each item are different)

Just because the mechanic is written that way, doesn't mean I won't say something if a fighter rolls/takes a dreamsplitter when there are 4 casters in group that need it (and have said they need it). Normally, I just add the person to my "friends" list and leave it at that. But if it is egregiously greedy, I'll say something.

No need to add anything im done here Lorriks chapion on a 2 wf rogue yay uber and not greedy at all.Look around in meridia and reavers refuge and in any quest all those 2 wf rogues and rangers using that shield and blocking all the baddies after the group . Just look around its so common its amazing .

Seems to me that not only kraak had reading comprehension problems there bud.

[Vivanto]

No need to add anything

Guess I don't have to add anything either to the fact of you swearing at me on voice just before looting

As a matter of fact I often give away loot that I would've needed, to guild and friends, which means other ex-eu players, legion and a good couple other US players, many from ifv. Sorry bud but to me you were just a pug, and a pretty bad one at that. After your introduction, probably not a big loss.

[doppleganger]

nevermind

[Kraak]

I see you share the same lack of reading comprehension as Kraak, good to know so I won't have to waste my time explaining anything to you anymore.

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

[Arlith]

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

Trying to understand someone else's point, though you don't agree with it, is nearly a lost art. Few attempt it.

[Vivanto]

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

Your responses - including most of who gaxy clubbed together - show the opposite. I've treid to hint, even spelled out for you several times, you're focusing on the wrong part of my statement.

I simply stated "your loot is your loot" in a different and more arrogant wording, nothing more nothing less. But you guys all hung up on a silly example, which could very well have already happened in your group, yet you probably walked away happily thinking the guy had some use of it, congratulating to the pull.

So tell me, if you indeed understood what I wrote there, then how come you all bashing on me but not on any other "your loot is your loot" post?

[..]

As for the shield, I use one often enough that I've been mistaken for a snb build several times.

In these short ~ 2 months I've been playing on Thelanis, I've already given away several items that I would've otherwise needed. Non-exhauste list from top of my head include abbot staff, quiver, weed, glacial bracers, and many many more that I didn't need in the first place ofcourse. Only vendor the trash that I couldn't pass to anyone, tough I even gave away for that reason alone for a bard who could sell the junk better.

Also I've met people who took the vod bracers exclusively for the cold shield and nobody was whining and crying for it, including my wiz who didn't yet have it at the time.

[Kraak]

Isc - the mechanic of the game is coded as "your loot is your loot". However, I generally subscribe to "need before greed". Again, the only place where this generally comes up is in the Reaver because that's one of the few places where class-inclined unique items drop.

I'd be rather shocked if you acted the way that you've been discussing this issue because IMO Ground is a class act. Unfortunately, I haven't run with you enough to do anything than take you at your word, here on the forums.

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

Cheers

Kraak

[Kraak]

Also I've met people who took the vod bracers exclusively for the cold shield

I've done this on several of my guys, but I waited until my 20th to pick it up. Yes, sometimes you get screwed doing this, but that's not the norm. I know a guy that ran 60 raids doing this and still didn't get the cross-class loot he was looking for. But again, this is not the norm.

[Visty]

Isc - the mechanic of the game is coded as "your loot is your loot". However, I generally subscribe to "need before greed". Again, the only place where this generally comes up is in the Reaver because that's one of the few places where class-inclined unique items drop.

I'd be rather shocked if you acted the way that you've been discussing this issue because IMO Ground is a class act. Unfortunately, I haven't run with you enough to do anything than take you at your word, here on the forums.

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

Cheers

Kraak

well, he needed it, so he acted your way, wheres the problem then?

[Vivanto]

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

I can see that problem too, especially since some class items are way superior to all the others, I'm looking at you stalwart defender!

I've done this on several of my guys, but I waited until my 20th to pick it up. Yes, sometimes you get screwed doing this, but that's not the norm. I know a guy that ran 60 raids doing this and still didn't get the cross-class loot he was looking for. But again, this is not the norm.

That's odd. On my 20th-40th etc.. vods I haven't got a full list either (and no tomes), but that bastard Ay got every item on 20th, what's the deal with that raid? It's got very few named items so a full list is warranted, but only the lucky gits get it.

well, he needed it, so he acted your way, wheres the problem then?

That's 2 separate discussions, he never once said anything about that pull in specific.

[Visty]

That's 2 separate discussions, he never once said anything about that pull in specific.

but *****ing about someone taking an item he thinks it doesnt belong to and then saying he is for need befor greed just doesnt mix

[Bunker]

I say leave the loot in the chest. Recall. Laugh. Drop group.

In that order.

[Kraak]

I say leave the loot in the chest. Recall. Laugh. Drop group.

In that order.

Quite possibly the best loot rules ever - lmao

[gorloch]

Quite possibly the best loot rules ever - lmao

I agree. Sad thing is when it happens on accident, or even more hilarious depending on whose opinion you take.


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