Shroud Smackdown!

[Hadrian]

No matter how it ended up in a war of "mine is bigger than yours"... i still give two thumbs up to the op and his crew... 14 minutes shroud is still something i'm looking forward to see on Ghallanda!

/gratz

It was never about accomplishments with them. It was about finding ways to sneak in backhanded insults at every possible opportunity and inflating egos by misrepresenting things until they can convince themselves they mean something.

They covered the fact that they gave up on the US servers by saying that the lag on the US servers is minimal, but that the "real reason" they left was that they couldn't find any players who were good enough on the US servers.

Doesn't that seem the slightest bit dishonest and maybe a bit underhanded?

We've all felt the lag on the US servers. It's not like having them repeat that it's insignificant for 10 pages will eventually convince us that we've been mistaken. So why bother doing that? Because it's great troll bait, the same as all of their other obvious misrepresentations.

[TechNoFear]

I put random in " " because nothing is truly random.

How about radioactive atom decay times? (which are used in TRNG's)

[Yargore]

How about radioactive atom decay times? (which are used in TRNG's)

lol, I'm surprised that was brought up.
But I do not think they are random. we can just not figure out what makes em tic, so to speak.

[Yargore]

It was never about accomplishments with them. It was about finding ways to sneak in backhanded insults at every possible opportunity and inflating egos by misrepresenting things until they can convince themselves they mean something.

They covered the fact that they gave up on the US servers by saying that the lag on the US servers is minimal, but that the "real reason" they left was that they couldn't find any players who were good enough on the US servers.

Doesn't that seem the slightest bit dishonest and maybe a bit underhanded?

We've all felt the lag on the US servers. It's not like having them repeat that it's insignificant for 10 pages will eventually convince us that we've been mistaken. So why bother doing that? Because it's great troll bait, the same as all of their other obvious misrepresentations.

Yea, lets all blame the lag.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

They covered the fact that they gave up on the US servers by saying that the lag on the US servers is minimal, but that the "real reason" they left was that they couldn't find any players who were good enough on the US servers.

Doesn't that seem the slightest bit dishonest and maybe a bit underhanded?

We've all felt the lag on the US servers. It's not like having them repeat that it's insignificant for 10 pages will eventually convince us that we've been mistaken. So why bother doing that? Because it's great troll bait, the same as all of their other obvious misrepresentations.

How about you stop failing.
The main reason why we left was that it would be too boring to re-farm everything, not that everyone sucked or that we couldn't pull people together. We didn't even try for crying out loud!
We know what the lag is and it is not related to the topic at hand. Only in your world.

[beelzebaba]

If you can cap 10 characters and gear em out with dual minerals in 5 days, I must congratulate you. But frankly, it is completely impossible without exploiting. Period. I did not mean 10 different players. I mean that it takes "ages" for me to cap and gear out 10 characters like I have on the EU servers.

Did I say every powergamer sucked? No? Though so. I said that the average powergamer standard was too low.

I would not call Legion "average powergamers", nor would I call Pestilence that. But perhaps you do not know what the word average means.

I "couldn't" pull it together as I had little shroud / raid gear. And I "didn't" bother to farm it together as it would be like doing the same thing twice.

I wasn't aware that you were going to play all 10 characters at the same time and would need 20 mineral 2's.

I think you could have built 1 character all the way out and gotten some average power gamers as you call them to help you back up your ridiculous boasting. There is a quote of you stating how you ran many shrouds you ran on the US servers including a large number of 1 rounders, but that the lag didn't seem significant to you.

Many 1 rounders? Enough to make 2 mineral 2's after all you don't need 10 capped and geared out characters for 1 run.

Many 1 rounders huh? Does that mean you were carried by the " low standard powergamers" you ran with and were gimp. So your guy is only good with greensteel?

Sounds like a lot of misrepresentation going on like someone stated above. Maybe Legion was too uber for you perhaps?

[maddmatt70]

Mineral 2s? How about Holy Silver Greater Evil Outsider Banes or +5 Holy greater construct banes? I saw a little of those vids and these self-proclaimed powergamer elites do not even have the top notch weapons.

[Delt]

How about you stop failing.
The main reason why we left was that it would be too boring to re-farm everything, not that everyone sucked or that we couldn't pull people together. We didn't even try for crying out loud!
We know what the lag is and it is not related to the topic at hand. Only in your world.

To be fair then, your sig is a bit of a lie. Powergamer my ass. None of the raids are much of an issue grind out (except Titan for the ring maybe, but your builds don't need it)...so what was the issue? Shroud ingreds? You should be able to have a Shroud-ready toon in a matter of days from creation and if Legion wasn't willing to pike your rushed gimps through, there are always plenty of PUGs (PS - PUGs, not forum groups).

Personally, I find it funny that you ran back to your server with your tail between your legs and excuses on your lips. Easier to shut up than put up - shame you aren't doing either

[Aspenor]

My question is:

When will the false claim that the Ravager is the highest possible DPS build be removed from the signature?

[TechNoFear]

How about you stop failing.
The main reason why we left was that it would be too boring to re-farm everything,

Do you fail to think of that before you left EU?

[Yargore]

My question is:

When will the false claim that the Ravager is the highest possible DPS build be removed from the signature?

When I'm shown a build with higher DPS.

[Aspenor]

When I'm shown a build with higher DPS.

Assuming no fortification and constant sneak attacks without fail is an inaccurate method. I would think you'd understand that.

[rimble]

Assuming no fortification and constant sneak attacks without fail is an inaccurate method. I would think you'd understand that.

...and don't bother with Radiance, everything will be auto-Blinded somehow...

These two guys crack me up.

[Yargore]

Assuming no fortification and constant sneak attacks without fail is an inaccurate method. I would think you'd understand that.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I wasn't aware that you were going to play all 10 characters at the same time and would need 20 mineral 2's.

Once again, I wasn't talking about 1 shroud. I was talking about me having fun. For that I would need 10 characters as all there is to do is raid, and if you can only play once every three day it aint fun.

I think you could have built 1 character all the way out and gotten some average power gamers as you call them to help you back up your ridiculous boasting. There is a quote of you stating how you ran many shrouds you ran on the US servers including a large number of 1 rounders, but that the lag didn't seem significant to you.

No, there is no quote of me stating how many I ran. Wanna know why? It's because I don't know how many I ran. I did however run as you say a couple of 1 rounders. And no the lag did not seem significant to me. BUT I know that it would be significant if you just kept running and killing through it all. I have nowhere said otherwise.
1 character still requires 10 large scales and 10 large stones. Per average that is ~40 shroud runs and that's 40 months on 1 character. I did not play for 4 months.

Many 1 rounders? Enough to make 2 mineral 2's after all you don't need 10 capped and geared out characters for 1 run.

No, but I need 10 scales and 10 stones.

Many 1 rounders huh? Does that mean you were carried by the " low standard powergamers" you ran with and were gimp. So your guy is only good with greensteel?

Sounds like a lot of misrepresentation going on like someone stated above. Maybe Legion was too uber for you perhaps?

Low standard in the sense of normal questing, not raids that everyone farms.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Per average that is ~40 shroud runs and that's 40 months on 1 character.

Lol 1 shroud per month? Probably just a typo but you do are a rusher and perfectionist

[Uska]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

As much as he annoys me sometimes I would belive him way before you even if the told me Elvis was alive and you said he was dead.

[beelzebaba]

Heh, yea the lag was pretty sever on the US servers, though I never experienced it too be that bad. (did a lot of 1round shrouds though)..

You did type this. " (did a lot of 1round shrouds though)." a lot of 1 round shrouds means more than just a couple... it means a lot. Even if each shroud you did was a 1 rounder with no multi-rounders, you clearly stated here that you did a lot.Sounds like your not as far from your mineral 2's as you claim.

So you claim then that you couldnt take the average power gamer being so low.... then you back off to say that YOU were in fact the gimped one, and you would never claim your peers as gimped as you had earlier stated.

You said that an average eu pug could do shroud in 10-12 minutes easily, but this hand picked group could only manage 14 minutes in a lag free environment. Wait they werent hand picked, sorry that was a pug . excuse me while i die laughing. Then you say it isnt max dps cause two ppl couldnt come so u had to fill the spots at the last second. Mind telling us who the the 2 gimps were that prevented your group from having max dps and adding an extra 4 minutes to your time. Im sure that would be pleasent for them to hear.

The question is. were you talking out of your a$$ then? or are you talking out of your a$$ now. I think a little of both

[Absolute-Omniscience]

You did type this. " (did a lot of 1round shrouds though)." a lot of 1 round shrouds means more than just a couple... it means a lot. Even if each shroud you did was a 1 rounder with no multi-rounders, you clearly stated here that you did a lot.Sounds like your not as far from your mineral 2's as you claim.

A lot in compared to how many 2 rounders I did.

So you claim then that you couldnt take the average power gamer being so low.... then you back off to say that YOU were in fact the gimped one, and you would never claim your peers as gimped as you had earlier stated.

I did :O

You said that an average eu pug could do shroud in 10-12 minutes easily, but this hand picked group could only manage 14 minutes in a lag free environment. Wait they werent hand picked, sorry that was a pug . excuse me while i die laughing. Then you say it isnt max dps cause two ppl couldnt come so u had to fill the spots at the last second. Mind telling us who the the 2 gimps were that prevented your group from having max dps and adding an extra 4 minutes to your time. Im sure that would be pleasent for them to hear.

No, I did not say that an average EU pug could do shroud 10-12 minutes easily. As said that we can.
When I say it wasn't perfect I do not just mean the last guys. I mean I did not put the requirements that harsh. If I only wanted max dps I would not take 14/1/1 for example, I would not take 15/1 rangers, I would not take 8/6/2 non wf, etc, etc.

[Tarrant]

Congratulations on your 14 minute Shroud run! The Achievements forum is for achievements completed on the US servers however, not the European servers. Thanks for your understanding.