Build Request ! Drow TWF Paladin With DM4

[Phyre]

anyone help me?

[baddax]

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Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(16 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 254 +60 con item +30 G.false life +20 minos= 364
Spell Points: 175 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 18
Will: 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength             14                 14                   14 (20)
Dexterity            16                 20                   22(28)
Constitution         12                 12                   12(18)
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom               10                 10                   10
Charisma             17                 20                   22(28)

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Divine Might I
Enhancement: Divine Might II
Enhancement: Divine Might III
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Silver Flame Exorcism
Enhancement: Follower of the Silver Flame
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Heal I
Enhancement: Paladin Heal II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II

Divine might IV is not available to 20 and requires a 20 base Cha. witch this build would qualify for, requiring only a +2 Cha tome from 1750 favor.

[spifflove]

I would go:

16
16
12
10
08
16 + 2 for 1750 favor = 18.

Need to bite the bullet and put 2 level ups into char. Personally I would put all level ups into str and leave the option open if you are really ultra lucky enough to get a +4 tome to charisma (probably not a great possibility considering it would have to be charisma and so far they bind) at least you have the option open. But if you must have the 20 charisma level ups is the only sure option.

[Thrudh]

I would go Str-based, one because you'll do more DPS (A drow TWF with divine might IV is a DPS character), and it will free up a feat slot (no need for Weapon Finesse)

STR 16
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

All level ups into STR

Feats
1 Toughness
3 TWF
6 ITWF
9 Improved Crit - Slash
12 GTWF
15 Extend\Power Attack
18 Khopesh

[LewsTherin]

Going strength or finesse, you don't need a starting charisma of 17. You can start with a 15 (+3 enhancement + 6 item +2 tome = 26) which is plenty. Or if you plan on getting a +3 tome start at 16 base. The only thing that charisma does for you is boost your saves and you shouldn't need that much of a boost.

[Thrudh]

Going strength or finesse, you don't need a starting charisma of 17. You can start with a 15 (+3 enhancement + 6 item +2 tome = 26) which is plenty. Or if you plan on getting a +3 tome start at 16 base. The only thing that charisma does for you is boost your saves and you shouldn't need that much of a boost.

He wants Divine Might IV which requires a 20 base CHA...

Divine Might is a very powerful enhancement, especially for a TWF paladin.

DM I - does +2 extra damage per swing - you need a 14 base CHA
DM II - does +4 extra damage per swing - you need a 16 base CHA
DM III - does +6 extra damage per swing - you need a 18 base CHA
DM IV - does +8 extra damage per swing - you need a 20 base CHA

+8 per swing is like having 16 more STR (on the damage size)... It's huge... And it's non-dispellable. You can use it even next to a beholder. The only drawback to Divine Might is that it only lasts a minute (uses a Turn Undead to activate)

[MrCow]

I would go Str-based, one because you'll do more DPS (A drow TWF with divine might IV is a DPS character), and it will free up a feat slot (no need for Weapon Finesse)

STR 16
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

I do believe you spent 4 more build points than a drow is allocated.

[Thrudh]

I do believe you spent 4 more build points than a drow is allocated.

Heh, oh yeah... Drow are 28, not 32 builds...

STR 14
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

Guess you'll have to lose a little more STR to get that high CHA.

[Yajerman01]

Heh, oh yeah... Drow are 28, not 32 builds...

STR 14
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

Guess you'll have to lose a little more STR to get that high CHA.

Couldnt he go:
16
16
12
10
08
16
Since Charisma will be his main save modifier anyway.

[Thrudh]

Couldnt he go:
16
16
12
10
08
16
Since Charisma will be his main save modifier anyway.

He could, but then he'll need a +4 tome to get his base CHA to 20 (and DM IV).

[Yajerman01]

He could, but then he'll need a +4 tome to get his base CHA to 20 (and DM IV).

Gotcha. I guess if hes lucky he can go 14 dex, +1 dex tome and then get a +2 dex tome before level 6 then.

16
14
12
10
08
17

[piggiecrdf2]

Why not start with stat like this?
15
16
12
10
8
17
Put all points in strength when level up, eat +2 int tome(for 1 more skill point, can skip if don't have) at lv1, eat +1 dex tome for two weapon fighting feat line. Then it should be all good,just need to do raids until he gets at least a +3 cha tome. Easy stat by lv20

15+5level up+6item=26
16+1tome+6item+1drow enhancement=24
12+6item=18
10+2tome=12
8+6item=14 <- enough to cast lv4 spell
17+3tome+6item+2pally=28

Ultimately tomed stat would be
15+5level up+6item+4tome=30
16+4tome+6item+2drow enhancement=28
12+6item+4tome=22
10+4tome=14
8+6item+4tome=18
17+4tome+6item+3pally=30

All numbers will stay even if you get the luck with tomes. Of course you can count in +3 shroud exceptional stat and +1 liteny, which will yell you +4 more. You'll do pretty good damage, have uber saves (if you take force of personality too!)

[tc12]

Couldnt he go:
16
16
12
10
08
16
Since Charisma will be his main save modifier anyway.

I'm rolling one and using those exact stats. If I pull a +3 tome before level 20 -- whether bound on this guy or an unbound on another -- then I'd put my lvl 20 stat point into CHA for base 20. If I hit level 20 with just a plus 2, then stat point goes to STR (like the others) and I live with 18 base CHA unless/until a mythical +4 CHA tome drops.

TC

[baddax]

Heh, oh yeah... Drow are 28, not 32 builds...

STR 14
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

Guess you'll have to lose a little more STR to get that high CHA.

These look very similar to the stats i posted.....

[LewsTherin]

Does putting your lv4,8,12,16 stat increase count as part of your base ability score?

[Rabbi_Hordo]

Does putting your lv4,8,12,16 stat increase count as part of your base ability score?

Yes. As they are a permanent, non-changeable addition to your stat awarded by virtue of your advance in level, they are counted as part of the base ability score.

[spifflove]

These look very similar to the stats i posted.....

He's not the only one either, two people on the same thread

[Valezra]

Does putting your lv4,8,12,16 stat increase count as part of your base ability score?

Yes it does.


I'd really recommend this for Level 16:

Str: 27 (16 Base +2 Tome +3 Level ups +6 Item) <--- 28 Str at level 20.
Dex: 22 (15 Base +2 Tome +5 Item) <--- don't waste the AP on any more Dex.
Con: 18 (11 Base +1 Tome +6 Item)
Int: 10
Wis: 8
Cha: 26 (17 Base +2 Tome +1 Level up +6 Item)<--- creates base 20 for DM IV.

With a 16 BAB, 27 Strength will give you plenty of Attack Bonus. Consider taking OTWF and using Korthos Gear set if you aren't going to use a light weapon in the off-hand. With DM IV at level 20 and with Divine Favor you will be hitting with the equivalent damage of a 50 Strength... not bad really!

Val

[Thrudh]

With DM IV at level 20 and with Divine Favor you will be hitting with the equivalent damage of a 50 Strength... not bad really!

You'll be hitting as hard as a fully raged barbarian, plus you'll have Zeal on, and Divine Sacrifice and Smite Evil clickables... not bad? I say, kickass!

PLUS Knight of the Chalice will get all those bonuses against evil outsiders...

When rangers became bad-ass, it took a while for the general populace to figure it out... Same with Paladins... TWF Paladins are an insane DPS class now... But you'll still probably get declined from groups for a few months into Mod 9... Then about a year from now, people will be calling for paladins to be nerfed....

[Vengenance]

I would go Str-based, one because you'll do more DPS (A drow TWF with divine might IV is a DPS character), and it will free up a feat slot (no need for Weapon Finesse)

STR 16
DEX 16 (you'll need a +1 tome by 6th level)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 17 (you'll need a +3 tome someday)

All level ups into STR

Feats
1 Toughness
3 TWF
6 ITWF
9 Improved Crit - Slash
12 GTWF
15 Extend\Power Attack
18 Khopesh

Why go khopesh? Feats are so starved on Palidans that it doesn't make much since going with khopeshes and makes no since to switch over at level 18. He's making a drow so he should just use rapiers and short swords. With the enhancements it's like a free OTWF feat.

My preference would be:
1) TWF
3) Power Attack/Extend
6) ITWF
9) IC:Pierce
12) GTWF
15) Power Attack/Extend
18) Toughness