Looking for solo Sorc that is not a warforged

[phaseout]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time. I wanted to make a Sorc or Wiz for solo play but really do not like the look of the warforged. Is it viable to try a different race or is the healing that the warforged get too valuable to pass up.

I have also heard that other races get healing also with umd but i'm not sure how.

Thanks

[FluffyCalico]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time. I wanted to make a Sorc or Wiz for solo play but really do not like the look of the warforged. Is it viable to try a different race or is the healing that the warforged get too valuable to pass up.

I have also heard that other races get healing also with umd but i'm not sure how.

Thanks

Usually though either a sorc with max cha and a UMD item... or a wiz rogue with umd item
by the way the magic number is 39 umd.

[kinar]

Usually though either a sorc with max cha and a UMD item... or a wiz rogue with umd item
by the way the magic number is 39 umd.

Another extremely viable option is a Dragonmarked halfling Wizard. Since wizards get thier metamagics essentially free, sacrificing 3 feats for healing isn't a huge problem.

Feats:
Toughness
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
Least Dragonmark of Healing
Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
Greater Dragonmark of Healing

4 Free Metamagics (1,5,10,15)

[FluffyCalico]

Another extremely viable option is a Dragonmarked halfling Wizard. Since wizards get thier metamagics essentially free, sacrificing 3 feats for healing isn't a huge problem.

Feats:
Toughness
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
Least Dragonmark of Healing
Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
Greater Dragonmark of Healing

4 Free Metamagics (1,5,10,15)

Where do spell pen and greater spell pen and insightful reflexes go? Yep that is what was given up by the healing feats. So it did cost something.

[Jesen]

Human Sorc - Get UMD(Use magic device) and scroll heal and an extra feat, which for sorcerers is very helpful.

Also, to explain UMD a little. Heal items such as scrolls/wands have a UMD check on them. For example a Raise dead scroll is UMD 32. You need to roll 1d20 + (Whatever your UMD skill is at) and need to roll higher than 32 to succeed in using the scroll.

Heal scrolls require 39 UMD, hence 39 being the magic number and you never fail using scrolls on yourself. You can use cure wands till you are high enough and able to use scrolls. A wand will be more than enough for leveling.

[Junts]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time. I wanted to make a Sorc or Wiz for solo play but really do not like the look of the warforged. Is it viable to try a different race or is the healing that the warforged get too valuable to pass up.

I have also heard that other races get healing also with umd but i'm not sure how.

Thanks

My caster is human with 39 umd for nofail heal scrolls:

+9 ranks
+13 charisma modifier (36 cha)
+6 shroud item
+3 golden cartouche
+3 skill focus: umd
+4 greater heroism
+1 luck bonus (voice of the master)

This can also be done without the feat, by using (+5 seven fingered gloves) in place of the cartouche, and (+2 luck bonus, head of good fortune) instead of vocie of the master

This will require 2 shroud items, though both can be single-shard, the cost is 4 scales and 6 stones for an pos-pos-air sceptre and an air-air-air goggles.

the other items are easily achieved via delera's loot (both voice of the master and golden cartouche), the raidloot required to not use the feat is harder (titan, and reaver).

[Inspire]

Where do spell pen and greater spell pen and insightful reflexes go? Yep that is what was given up by the healing feats. So it did cost something.

Id actually rather swap those Mental/Imp Mental Toughness feats for Spell Pen and Greater Spell Pen, drink majors or use spell points more effectivly. And perhaps take Mental at level 18.

[boldarblood]

Do you have 1750 favor? If not how close are you to either 400 or 1750.

If you have 400 a viable character would be a Drow Sorc. Tough at low levels soloing, but about 7th-8th level it becomes a lot easier. (haste/fireball/web make soloing easy).

At 1750 favor Human the 32 point buy Human is great to. 28 point still not bad though.

As others have said, keep UMD maxed no matter what build you go with.

Lower levels is ok to have mental toughness as a feat, but end game your feats should be in no particular order listed.
Maximize, Empower, Extend, Heighten, Spell Pen 1 and Spell Pen 2. Human gets 1 more free (some choices include Toughess, Skill Focus UMD, Force of Personality). Enhancements can be debated, there is probably plenty of info on them in this forum. But I do recommend also maxing out the spell penetration enhancement also. You can never have enough spell pen.

Sorcs are fun, and definitely the best to solo with.

[Arianrhod]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time. I wanted to make a Sorc or Wiz for solo play but really do not like the look of the warforged. Is it viable to try a different race or is the healing that the warforged get too valuable to pass up.

I have also heard that other races get healing also with umd but i'm not sure how.

Thanks

You mention solo, and self-healing with UMD.
While even a pure sorc (non-halfling) can do this at 16th level, getting there solo can be painful. Were you planning to solo up to 16, or just solo after getting to 16? For soloing at the lower levels, best not to expect much self-healing from your UMD. My sorc at 10th level was just starting to get to where CLW wands worked fairly reliably; as for CMW, CSW, or Heal scrolls....well, might want to have a backup plan

[Phidius]

You mention solo, and self-healing with UMD.
While even a pure sorc (non-halfling) can do this at 16th level, getting there solo can be painful. Were you planning to solo up to 16, or just solo after getting to 16? For soloing at the lower levels, best not to expect much self-healing from your UMD. My sorc at 10th level was just starting to get to where CLW wands worked fairly reliably; as for CMW, CSW, or Heal scrolls....well, might want to have a backup plan

Ironically, I found that at 10th level or so was when my Drow Sorceror/Paladin was getting less effective use out of the wands. At low levels, a hit or 2 from a Cure Serious wand would refill his health, but at higher levels, he spent all of his time whipping that wand.

Once he got to 16th level he started stocking up on Heal scrolls, which made life a lot easier.

[tinyelvis]

Any race of sorc can be great at solo'n.

After Charisma, put your extra points into intel. IMO, Constitution is a red heron. For one, its the least important end game save. Also, with a 10 base con, you will be able to get 250 + hit points easy end game and can self buff over 300.

Some other tips not mentionedvi:
Options: Set your object draw distance to ultra high ( you will see things sooner )
Feats: Enlarge (among other things enables you to use non-aggro spells at ranges beyond monsters awareness with impunity)
Skills: In addition to max UMD, consider Sneak and Hide, another useful skill is balance and dont forget to put some points into spot and jump (to augment your spell enhanced jump if your strength is low).
Spells: Learn your non-aggro spells

[Kamboe]

Honestly your best self relient, easiest, least difficult solo sorc to play is a warforged.
In my opinion, the funnest, (maybe) hardest to gear solo sorc is a UMD (Drow[+2 Cha] or Human[32 Point build]

[InfidelofHaLL]

Honestly your best self relient, easiest, least difficult solo sorc to play is a warforged.
In my opinion, the funnest, (maybe) hardest to gear solo sorc is a UMD (Drow[+2 Cha] or Human[32 Point build]

its not that hard to gear or play a umd drow or human it really doesn't take any brains to make any caster self sufficient truthfully

[Shade]

Drow is the best solo race next to warfroged.

Because you have the strongest spells, and the easiest time to get to the crucial 39 UMD needed for no-fail heal scrolls.

Human is a very close second. With a minor hit on spell DC/Spell points, they can make up for some of it with the extra feat. So there fairly balanced.

Only real big difference is for new players, drow needs only 400 favor - easily done. Human (to be as good as drow) needs 1750 for 32pnt builds.

The other races can work fine too, there just a fair bit harder to get to 39 umd for the heal scrolls which is a huge thing.
I'd rank the other races in this order
3 - Dwarf (highest survivability)
4 - Halfling (execellent saves and dragonmark option)
5 - Elf (sucks at sorc)

[Shade]

its not that hard to gear or play a umd drow or human it really doesn't take any brains to make any caster self sufficient truthfully

heh dude it does take some brains. Else why do you think 95% of sorcs on khyber actually can't use heal scrolls with no fail?

It's much easier said then done.

[doppleganger]

Hi all, I have been away for a long time. I wanted to make a Sorc or Wiz for solo play but really do not like the look of the warforged. Is it viable to try a different race or is the healing that the warforged get too valuable to pass up.

I have also heard that other races get healing also with umd but i'm not sure how.

Thanks

Like others have said, at end game, any sorc can scroll heal themselves via UMD if they did put some minimal work into it. But on the way to level 16, this is another story. If you are going to powerlevel to 16 quickly by running the big XP quests ad nauseam like some do, no big deal. Else, if you want to have fun while you are leveling, I suggest you do try warforged.

[Greydeath]

You could also consider a splash of Bard1 to start: full UMD ranks, automatic Cure Wand Access, much better weapon selection, extra lvl1 spell and a big boost in SP (from double CHA bonus).

[Kamboe]

You could also consider a splash of Bard1 to start: full UMD ranks, automatic Cure Wand Access, much better weapon selection, extra lvl1 spell and a big boost in SP (from double CHA bonus).

Splash of bard might be good, it just depends on how good the pure-level-20-class stuff & level 9 spells are....

-Full UMD Ranks = You might not need the 7 Fingered Gloves on so free hand slot
-Wand Useage = Wands are good for in between fights, but in a fight you usually jump out at 1/2 or less and want a full heal
-Weapon Selection = If your swinging as a 15Sorc/1Bard your either A) Not hitting or B)Have the stats and gear of a tank. Profricency(sp) doesn't matter with casting.
-Extra Level 1 Spell = 1 Less(Which means 0?) Level 9 Spell
-Big Boost in SP = Good, but not really worth giving up a lvl 9 spell for maybe 100-150 sp max

[jmonty]

if you don't like the look of a wf there is going to be first person view next mod i believe.

[cforce]

If you're willing to multiclass, there's a lot to like about Drow Sorceror 18/Pally 2. You still get access to level 9 spells (albeit, only 1). On the way up, you get the benefit of decent AC (when combined with the Drow ASF enhancements), and melee capability to supplement your spell point pool. At a certain point (when you start just throwing around insta-kill spells and mopping up trash with Displacement/Stoneskin/Jump/Firewall tactics), the AC and melee capability doesn't matter as much anymore, but what continues to be very helpful at higher levels is: a good Lay on Hands "oh ****" button, Paladin Toughness enhancements, and very, *very* good saves. The first two are gravy, but the last is really the reason to do it. While you can get good mileage out of Firewall and Acid Fog and evade melees while they die, you'll still get cast on occasionally; having a mid-30's CHA driving Divine Grace makes you a lot tougher.

It's not the same as a WF Sorc, but if you're looking to solo with a non-WF, I'd highly recommend the Drow Sorc/Pally route.