DDO Korea Season II

[ddodevil]

Since 2007 fall, our people started settling down in G-town. How lucky we are kind and lovely players helped us to be one of your majorities.

DDO Korea is a guild for Korean players. There are no specific requirement other than cultural or language types.

As a guild leader I suggest to our guildies to join another G-town guilds if they can, because I believe that game is for fun and having good relationships with variety of people is the most important.


Our raid loot system is simple, but some misunderstandings might happen when you join DDO korea raids. So let me introdce our raid system shortly here. It is called 'Debt system'

- Raid loot belongs to the owner if they have no debt yet
- If the original owner do not wants to take it, its up for roll between people who wants in exchange of a dept for it. Winner takes the loot and owes a debt to the original owner.
- If you have a debt to somebody, you have to give your raid loot to obligee whenever he wants.
- If no one wants to owe a dept for a raid loot, original owner will handle it as he wants(open roll maybe).

This is why sometimes we make rolls for guildies only, and sometimes for everyone.



Some photos of our proud members HAPPY DDO EVERYDAY!!!


By milkylake at 2009-05-27


By milkylake at 2009-05-27


By milkylake at 2009-05-27

[Oreg]

Interesting Debt system. Makes you think twice before rolling on mediocre raid loot if you may auto lose better raid loot down the road. Have you had many disputes with it?

[ddodevil]

Interesting Debt system. Makes you think twice before rolling on mediocre raid loot if you may auto lose better raid loot down the road. Have you had many disputes with it?

Yay, a lot of dispute. This system was made late 2007, by our officers. And still working fine.

[Nymph619]

Nya ong, an nyung ha se yo!! Saranghe DDO Korea.

XOXO
Miz

P.S. I miss yall...

[Kintro]

Since 2007 fall, our people started settling down in G-town. How lucky we are kind and lovely players helped us to be one of your majorities.

DDO Korea is a guild for Korean players. There are no specific requirement other than cultural or language types.

As a guild leader I suggest to our guildies to join another G-town guilds if they can, because I believe that game is for fun and having good relationships with variety of people is the most important.


Our raid loot system is simple, but some misunderstandings might happen when you join DDO korea raids. So let me introdce our raid system shortly here. It is called 'Debt system'

- Raid loot belongs to the owner if they have no debt yet
- If the original owner do not wants to take it, its up for roll(guild only). Winner takes the loot and owes a debt to the original owner.
- If you have a debt to somebody, you have to give your raid loot to obligee whenever he wants.
- If no one wants to owe a dept for a raid loot, original owner will handle it as he wants(open roll maybe).

This is why sometimes we make rolls for guildies only, and sometimes for everyone.

Good to know before joining that I'm not going to have any shot at decent loot. Much better than being told after you win a roll that it was only for guildies.

I can also adopt a policy of only allowing other PUGs to roll on my pulls!

[Comfortably]

Good to know before joining that I'm not going to have any shot at decent loot. Much better than being told after you win a roll that it was only for guildies.

Lets say, that you just finish a Titan, the ring drops under a casters name, lets say that he has 3 guildy tanks in the group that want it, in guild chat he tells them to roll for it, the three of them roll for it, are you going to roll because you think that if you win you should get this item, even tho he didn't say you could?

[nellie]

Lets say, that you just finish a Titan, the ring drops under a casters name, lets say that he has 3 guildy tanks in the group that want it, in guild chat he tells them to roll for it, the three of them roll for it, are you going to roll because you think that if you win you should get this item, even tho he didn't say you could?

I feel if your rolling for bond loot and you only want your 3 guildys to roll on it you should of done the raid with your guildys....... WHY pug a raid if your can't share the loot!!!! Come on its the titian not VOD on leet... i've 3 manned the titian a few times cuss we don't want to share the loot..... part of the greed I guess......

[Kintro]

Lets say, that you just finish a Titan, the ring drops under a casters name, lets say that he has 3 guildy tanks in the group that want it, in guild chat he tells them to roll for it, the three of them roll for it, are you going to roll because you think that if you win you should get this item, even tho he didn't say you could?

I would expect everyone in the group to have the same chance since everyone helped complete the raid.

I feel if your rolling for bond loot and you only want your 3 guildys to roll on it you should of done the raid with your guildys....... WHY pug a raid if your can't share the loot!!!! Come on its the titian not VOD on leet... i've 3 manned the titian a few times cuss we don't want to share the loot..... part of the greed I guess......

Exactly. That's why we don't pug titan anymore

Maybe we need some kind of LFM code to indicate the loot policy of the guild running the raid (total pugs are different, I expect sorcs to pull chattering rings (+10 spot!) and WFs to pull armour in those) so everyone knows what they're getting into.

What's other people's view on guilds who'll take PUGs on raids and exclude them from any loot pulled by guild members even when they'd expect to be allowed to roll on anything the PUGs pull?

Maybe it only annoys me because my guild shares the loot with everyone in the group only to not get the same fairness when joining another guild's raid.

[Gratch]

I've also run raids - this specific instance was a Titan - where you get to the end, put the item up for roll... and the guy who died a lot, wouldn't shutup and more hurt then helped wins the roll on the gloves that I put up for roll. A guildy commented after the run (cuz he's the quiet type) that he's had 40+ runs without them. If I could do it again, I'd just transfer the item to him because it all comes down to one thing:

Them who pulls the loot - decides what to do with it. I believe this is the overriding rule in all PUG raids unless specifically stated otherwise in the LFM.

I'll still PUG with DDO Korea anyday... their guild consistently take noobs and crud PUG's and beats the raid. I can recall a few hounds with them that some PUG'ers were flushing into 2nd round of beholders but we still won.

[Sirea]

What's other people's view on guilds who'll take PUGs on raids and exclude them from any loot pulled by guild members even when they'd expect to be allowed to roll on anything the PUGs pull?

Maybe it only annoys me because my guild shares the loot with everyone in the group only to not get the same fairness when joining another guild's raid.

If you know of guilds that have this policy, then don't group with them. I mean, what's in it for you?

I think of it like this. You have something really spiffy that your best friend has wanted for a long time. Are you going to hook your best friend up, or turn around and give it to some complete stranger just because they rolled better on it?

It'd be like "Aww man, I Just won this Porsche in a contest, and I already have a Porsche and I don't need another, and I know you've wanted one forever and that's all you ever talk about. So I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll put this Porsche that you've always wanted up for raffle, you're welcome to buy a raffle ticket for it, but don't be mad if you don't win and I give it to this random guy that just showed up."

[Kintro]

It'd be like "Aww man, I Just won this Porsche in a contest, and I already have a Porsche and I don't need another, and I know you've wanted one forever and that's all you ever talk about. So I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll put this Porsche that you've always wanted up for raffle, you're welcome to buy a raffle ticket for it, but don't be mad if you don't win and I give it to this random guy that just showed up."

More like 12 people buying a ticket to win a Porsche, giving the ticket to the guy who can't drive to look after. When the ticket wins he gives the Porsche to his friend and tells the others the ticket wasn't a winner.

Friends or not, everyone put in for the ticket.

[herzkos]

I look at it this way, If you PUG a spot, even one, it's no longer a "guild raid".
It is a PUG. It can be guild led, guild sponsored, guild whatever ya want to call it,
but if you have a non guild member or allianceguild member, it's a PUG.
And oh yeah, if guildies are rolling on things without letting PUGs roll on the items,
I adopt a strict policy in that raid and all future quests with anyone from that guild.
They don't get to roll on my loot. They can get it from a guildie.

having said that, I love DDO Korea Season II. Never had a problem with any of them

[Quanefel]

I would expect everyone in the group to have the same chance since everyone helped complete the raid.



Exactly. That's why we don't pug titan anymore

Maybe we need some kind of LFM code to indicate the loot policy of the guild running the raid (total pugs are different, I expect sorcs to pull chattering rings (+10 spot!) and WFs to pull armour in those) so everyone knows what they're getting into.

What's other people's view on guilds who'll take PUGs on raids and exclude them from any loot pulled by guild members even when they'd expect to be allowed to roll on anything the PUGs pull?

Maybe it only annoys me because my guild shares the loot with everyone in the group only to not get the same fairness when joining another guild's raid.

For me, the way I look at it is that if there is even 1 person in a raid but there are 11 that are in the same guild then that guild can not force people to follow and obey their guild rules. If I am not in your guild, I am not following your guild rules. It does not matter how many in a raid group are of the same guild, guild rules can ONLY be enforced on your own guildmates. Anyone suggesting someone not a guildie to follow those guild rules is flat out rude.

Now if a guild was to divide up loot to only guild memebers when they are all in the same PuG group, then it is only fair for those PuGs to NOT hand out or let that guild who has that policy from rolling on their raid loot. That guild should not be able to divide up their raid loot among guildies while at the same time hold their hands out for the raid items of PuG's they are grouped with as well. That is pure greed.

[MondoGrunday]

I look at it this way, If you PUG a spot, even one, it's no longer a "guild raid".
It is a PUG. It can be guild led, guild sponsored, guild whatever ya want to call it,
but if you have a non guild member or allianceguild member, it's a PUG.
And oh yeah, if guildies are rolling on things without letting PUGs roll on the items,
I adopt a strict policy in that raid and all future quests with anyone from that guild.
They don't get to roll on my loot. They can get it from a guildie.

having said that, I love DDO Korea Season II. Never had a problem with any of them

QFT
all peeps contributed, all peeps get equal shot, save the guild **** for guild runs

[Thriand]

More like 12 people buying a ticket to win a Porsche, giving the ticket to the guy who can't drive to look after. When the ticket wins he gives the Porsche to his friend and tells the others the ticket wasn't a winner.

Friends or not, everyone put in for the ticket.

And the guy who won did what he wanted with his loot... I mean err car

Thats it case closed his prize he does what he wants with what he won. If I'm in a quest and something drops under my name I'll do with it as I please, and most likely I'll give it to a guildie. To me if you aren't going to watch out for guildies first then why even bother in being in a guild. That being said I don't often join pugs (bordering on never) but when I do I don't expect hand outs just because I came along, I come for the chance for me to pull loot or to up my completions.

[Comfortably]

Look it's like this, I am in Ravensguard because I get along with all of the other people in it, so of course I would rather get somthing for my guildy than some random pug, hence why I put it up for roll for guildies only, because face it, I am going to be playing with my guildy more than you, the random pug, thats why we only pug if we have to for a completion, and then if theres somthing we loot we dont want or need its offerd to the pugs, not left in the chest or looted by someone who doesn't need it.

[Sirea]

More like 12 people buying a ticket to win a Porsche, giving the ticket to the guy who can't drive to look after. When the ticket wins he gives the Porsche to his friend and tells the others the ticket wasn't a winner.

Friends or not, everyone put in for the ticket.

My point was, if you had sometime that you knew one of your guildies could use, wouldn't you want to hook them up over a complete stranger? As Thriand said, what's the point of being in a guild if you're not going to help each other out?

[Doomcrew]

One's loot is their own, that being said, in a mostly guild run, the courteous
thing to do would be, inform the pugs of the loot policy before running. If one
doesn't like their odds of getting an item, then they may decline the raid. No
one's offended, no one feels slighted.

Cheers

[Justicesar]

One's loot is their own, that being said, in a mostly guild run, the courteous
thing to do would be, inform the pugs of the loot policy before running. If one
doesn't like their odds of getting an item, then they may decline the raid. No
one's offended, no one feels slighted.

Cheers

BINGO....
In all the times I have raided with guilds that do not offer Pugs the same shot at loot....NEVER has said guild EVER explained their loot rules until now....with this thread. Please put this info in all your LFMs and or Bios. Everyone playing deserves to be able to make a choice on which group to join for a shot at loot. It is never a good thing to find this out at the end of a raid when the numbers start to roll accross the screen.

[Arnya]

BINGO....
In all the times I have raided with guilds that do not offer Pugs the same shot at loot....NEVER has said guild EVER explained their loot rules until now....with this thread. Please put this info in all your LFMs and or Bios. Everyone playing deserves to be able to make a choice on which group to join for a shot at loot. It is never a good thing to find this out at the end of a raid when the numbers start to roll accross the screen.

No matter what quest and with whom you get the same shot at loot - what drops in the chest under your name.

If you are there for a shot at other peoples loot, well, I can understand why you would get upset....

OP: I have run with a few of your guildies thru WW/STK etc. on my way to unlock 1750 on G-land. Good players, fast and friendly