Correct behavior?

[Quanefel]

I personally think that the argument that "one should separate what's said on the forums from the game" is two faced chickenspit. I act the same anywhere I go, whether it be real life, whether I express my thoughts on forums, whether I talk with someone over the mic on an online game. I don't speak one way on the forums and then hope that people ignore what I said when I meet them in a different venue. I realize what I say carries with me where I go, and just b/c where I said it is a different place, doesn't mean people should ignore it. I take responsibility for my statements, no matter where I make them.

Except for one slight problem with all that. It is not about separating what we say on the forums and bringing it to the game. It IS about leaving arguements here in the forums where they belong and not bringing arguements to the game. You and others might not want to leave arguements here in the forum where they belong, that is you. Most people do in fact leave their arguements here on the forums and will quest/raid with the very people they argue with here without issue.

If you and others have issues letting arguements here, stay here and want to carry on with childish behavior with the person you were argueing here to bring that arguement to the game, what does that say about these people? Also, it is one thing for a person to admit they will bring that arguement into the game, it is another for them to suggest they won't when they have no intention to honor that and fully intend to bring it to the game when they suggested they wouldn't.

I think most people when they get into the game, want to actually play the game. Not carry on an arguement with someone from the forums instead. It is not such a hard concept to understand or agree to.

[Mhykke]

Except for one slight problem with all that. It is not about separating what we say on the forums and bringing it to the game. It IS about leaving arguements here in the forums where they belong and not bringing arguements to the game. You and others might not want to leave arguements here in the forum where they belong, that is you. Most people do in fact leave their arguements here on the forums and will quest/raid with the very people they argue with here without issue.

If you and others have issues letting arguements here, stay here and want to carry on with childish behavior with the person you were argueing here to bring that arguement to the game, what does that say about these people? Also, it is one thing for a person to admit they will bring that arguement into the game, it is another for them to suggest they won't when they have no intention to honor that and fully intend to bring it to the game when they suggested they wouldn't.

I think most people when they get into the game, want to actually play the game. Not carry on an arguement with someone from the forums instead. It is not such a hard concept to understand or agree to.

Well, yes and no. I'm not one to automatically take an argument and carry it into the game.

But let's say someone called me a reprehensible human being, and that they'd never group with me in the game. I'd be surprised if they joined a party with me in it. I think that kind of behavior is pretty chickenspit. I might bring up their statement, curious as to why they changed their mind.

Now let's say I made that statement about someone else. I wouldn't say it unless I meant it, and I know I'd try to avoid that person as much as possible.

So it's not just merely bringing a petty argument into the game. Sure, I ignore those and just play. But sometimes someone says things, and should take responsibility for those things said, and not hide behind "let's leave it on the forums". If someone constantly ridicules me, and argues with me, I'd probably expect that they would try to avoid me, and me them. That may be just me though.

[Amabel]

Well, I for one have nobody at all on my DNP list.

But you may cop some friendly voice agro. It's the Australian way (as the Shadowhand boys all know).

[ShadowHand2]

I responded because I can and I changed my mind....how about that? Unless some of you are suggesting no one is allowed to change their minds. No, it does not make one a hypocrite for coming on their OWN post to respond to certain undesirables who are NOT on ignore list. DDO puts in place an ignore feature that when they ask you to do in order to keep the peace, I will do just that. So, no response to if anyone gets permission from post any and all things on forums through their own guild as was the notion what individuals write should be connected to who they guild with. Why am I not surprised! Only reason people make that claim are those types is to take their anger out on someone....someone must pay for a perceived wrong....even when there is not.

You are aware that typing things out in the manner we all do is a hard thing to interpret what someone means? There is no way to know if someone is kidding or such as blank text is subjective to who reads it. Give a line or post to 2 different people and I almost promise you both with come back with a separate view of it. The notion also that one has a right to go into game and harass and stalk for a perceived slight is way off base.....that is borderline creepy. If you have an issue with someone on the forums because you lack debating or discussion skills and must seek them out in game to rehash an issue they thought was past them when they logged into the game, all I can say is you should think about seeking professional help.

Think hard about what a few are suggestion that going in game to continue an argument or discussion with someone as an ok measure? What do you hope to resolve that can not be dealt with on the forums? What this says to me is that your ego will not allow you to lose an argument on one venue and that you take it as a slight that must be resolved whether the other party wishes to or not. A few of you try to make it a valid connection and a guide to be allowed to do such things but doing so is called stalking.....please look it up. It is creepy to allow yourself and more so.....thinking that is clearly ok.

I play all the time with people I disagree with on forums, why? Why, because they and I am mature enough to know to put aside our feelings of slight or grief perceived and deal with a raid/quest at hand. When people on here who think it is ok to bring up old issues in a game with other non involved persons.....your getting them involved in something the 2 of you have issues with. I feel it is without a doubt wrong to force that on other players like is being done. More so from a one-sided bias point of view......you who feel you was grief on forums. When from a mere guess from talking to players, not alot even go to the forums, nor do they care. What you wish is to get others involved with half the facts from your point of view to funnel them solidly for your stand point. Do I have all the facts, not at all, but neither do all of you. I bring up a behavior that ITG's find ok to use against other players.

More so is this attempt to connect what one writes to how they are in game as one and the same. That is a tactic by alot of ITG's to give them freedom to harass a wrong doer they marked as prey. Half-hearted attempt but I guess if most who want that keeps saying it, maybe one day people will think it a truth and legit. Unless your willing to inform fellow players you now have made a new rule on forums that you are 100% allowed to chase them in game to get back at them if they crossed you, odds are nearly all will laugh in your face. Then again, you would hard pressed to find alot who even go to the forums. Other part of my issue is this decree that whole guilds should be free game to grief by what one person writes that some my not like. If you do not like what you read.....simple solution.....add to ignore and do not read. I hear from alot of you to get over this or that.....well......practice what you say.

As I asked before, do all of you who write have full and 100% permission from your guild to post in forums? If not, your blowing smoke.

[Boldrin]

I responded because I can and I changed my mind....how about that? Unless some of you are suggesting no one is allowed to change their minds. No, it does not make one a hypocrite for coming on their OWN post to respond to certain undesirables who are NOT on ignore list. DDO puts in place an ignore feature that when they ask you to do in order to keep the peace, I will do just that. So, no response to if anyone gets permission from post any and all things on forums through their own guild as was the notion what individuals write should be connected to who they guild with. Why am I not surprised! Only reason people make that claim are those types is to take their anger out on someone....someone must pay for a perceived wrong....even when there is not.

You are aware that typing things out in the manner we all do is a hard thing to interpret what someone means? There is no way to know if someone is kidding or such as blank text is subjective to who reads it. Give a line or post to 2 different people and I almost promise you both with come back with a separate view of it. The notion also that one has a right to go into game and harass and stalk for a perceived slight is way off base.....that is borderline creepy. If you have an issue with someone on the forums because you lack debating or discussion skills and must seek them out in game to rehash an issue they thought was past them when they logged into the game, all I can say is you should think about seeking professional help.

Think hard about what a few are suggestion that going in game to continue an argument or discussion with someone as an ok measure? What do you hope to resolve that can not be dealt with on the forums? What this says to me is that your ego will not allow you to lose an argument on one venue and that you take it as a slight that must be resolved whether the other party wishes to or not. A few of you try to make it a valid connection and a guide to be allowed to do such things but doing so is called stalking.....please look it up. It is creepy to allow yourself and more so.....thinking that is clearly ok.

I play all the time with people I disagree with on forums, why? Why, because they and I am mature enough to know to put aside our feelings of slight or grief perceived and deal with a raid/quest at hand. When people on here who think it is ok to bring up old issues in a game with other non involved persons.....your getting them involved in something the 2 of you have issues with. I feel it is without a doubt wrong to force that on other players like is being done. More so from a one-sided bias point of view......you who feel you was grief on forums. When from a mere guess from talking to players, not alot even go to the forums, nor do they care. What you wish is to get others involved with half the facts from your point of view to funnel them solidly for your stand point. Do I have all the facts, not at all, but neither do all of you. I bring up a behavior that ITG's find ok to use against other players.

More so is this attempt to connect what one writes to how they are in game as one and the same. That is a tactic by alot of ITG's to give them freedom to harass a wrong doer they marked as prey. Half-hearted attempt but I guess if most who want that keeps saying it, maybe one day people will think it a truth and legit. Unless your willing to inform fellow players you now have made a new rule on forums that you are 100% allowed to chase them in game to get back at them if they crossed you, odds are nearly all will laugh in your face. Then again, you would hard pressed to find alot who even go to the forums. Other part of my issue is this decree that whole guilds should be free game to grief by what one person writes that some my not like. If you do not like what you read.....simple solution.....add to ignore and do not read. I hear from alot of you to get over this or that.....well......practice what you say.

As I asked before, do all of you who write have full and 100% permission from your guild to post in forums? If not, your blowing smoke.

Do people actually stalk you in game? Cuz that's such a waste of playing time. I talked to your brother and I plan on talking to you in game too when I see you. My issues were never with your forum antics, they were with your in game antics. One thing I will say is if a person acts this way on the forums, more than likely they are not a lot of fun to play with in game. I play to have fun, as do most people. This is just my opinion and perception, hope to talk to you soon

[Quanefel]

Do people actually stalk you in game? Cuz that's such a waste of playing time. I talked to your brother and I plan on talking to you in game too when I see you. My issues were never with your forum antics, they were with your in game antics. One thing I will say is if a person acts this way on the forums, more than likely they are not a lot of fun to play with in game. I play to have fun, as do most people. This is just my opinion and perception, hope to talk to you soon

Thank you. I hope you both can find time in game to work out whatever issues you both might have. As far as the stalking reference, I'd say it would be more of gossiping than stalking per se. Gossiping that takes on the appearance of having others take action by proxy so the gossiper can have no real attachments of wrong doing. I think you can understand what I am meaning. With most of, if not all of the gossiping taking place over voice chat to keep any "proof" from coming to light.

It is a fact that /tells, guild and party chat is recorded. Voice chat is not. And people know that use voice for that reason. It becomes a matter of he said/she said which nothing can be done about.

[Amabel]

Thank you. I hope you both can find time in game to work out whatever issues you both might have. As far as the stalking reference, I'd say it would be more of gossiping than stalking per se. Gossiping that takes on the appearance of having others take action by proxy so the gossiper can have no real attachments of wrong doing. I think you can understand what I am meaning. With most of, if not all of the gossiping taking place over voice chat to keep any "proof" from coming to light.

It is a fact that /tells, guild and party chat is recorded. Voice chat is not. And people know that use voice for that reason. It becomes a matter of he said/she said which nothing can be done about.

Oh dear, looks like someone falls in the paranoid-narcissistic spectrum.

Believe it or not, we don't all log on for a nightly "gossip session" about you guys. The only reason you're on the radar is cause you hit the forums spamming Walls of Text.

Just relax. Let's call the Waaaaamulance off and have some fun for a while. It's not a conspiracy when the traffic lights go red as you approach them. It's not a conspiracy if you die in part 5 of the Shroud.

Nobody is excluding any of you from groups. Chill out. Laugh a bit. Have some fun.

[Aussieee]

Oh dear, looks like someone falls in the paranoid-narcissistic spectrum.

Believe it or not, we don't all log on for a nightly "gossip session" about you guys. The only reason you're on the radar is cause you hit the forums spamming Walls of Text.

Just relax. Let's call the Waaaaamulance off and have some fun for a while. It's not a conspiracy when the traffic lights go red as you approach them. It's not a conspiracy if you die in part 5 of the Shroud.

Nobody is excluding any of you from groups. Chill out. Laugh a bit. Have some fun.

Maybe you should try that in Australian they might understand that for once On other hand I doubt it.

Try something like that:


"G'day mate. We play the game to have fun(get drunk),and not listen to cry all the time.Now I suggest you act like a growen up and get over yourself.You aren't that important to the whole server that we need to conspirate(thats doesn't soung right ) about your Guild."

Hm how was that ? I am stil in training:P

[Amabel]

Maybe you should try that in Australian they might understand that for once On other hand I doubt it.

Try something like that:


"G'day mate. We play the game to have fun(get drunk),and not listen to cry all the time.Now I suggest you act like a growen up and get over yourself.You aren't that important to the whole server that we need to conspirate(thats doesn't soung right ) about your Guild."

Hm how was that ? I am stil in training:P

A bit too wordy. The correct translations is:

"She'll be right mate."

[Raegoul]

I responded because I can and I changed my mind....how about that? Unless some of you are suggesting no one is allowed to change their minds. No, it does not make one a hypocrite for coming on their OWN post to respond to certain undesirables who are NOT on ignore list. DDO puts in place an ignore feature that when they ask you to do in order to keep the peace, I will do just that. So, no response to if anyone gets permission from post any and all things on forums through their own guild as was the notion what individuals write should be connected to who they guild with. Why am I not surprised! Only reason people make that claim are those types is to take their anger out on someone....someone must pay for a perceived wrong....even when there is not.

BLah blah blah... ok i forgive you for changing your mind, apology accepted


You are aware that typing things out in the manner we all do is a hard thing to interpret what someone means? There is no way to know if someone is kidding or such as blank text is subjective to who reads it. Give a line or post to 2 different people and I almost promise you both with come back with a separate view of it. The notion also that one has a right to go into game and harass and stalk for a perceived slight is way off base.....that is borderline creepy. If you have an issue with someone on the forums because you lack debating or discussion skills and must seek them out in game to rehash an issue they thought was past them when they logged into the game, all I can say is you should think about seeking professional help.

Blah Blah Blah... you feel that you are important enough to be stalked, I say appreciate the attention you are receiving be happy someone cares about you.


Think hard about what a few are suggestion that going in game to continue an argument or discussion with someone as an ok measure? What do you hope to resolve that can not be dealt with on the forums? What this says to me is that your ego will not allow you to lose an argument on one venue and that you take it as a slight that must be resolved whether the other party wishes to or not. A few of you try to make it a valid connection and a guide to be allowed to do such things but doing so is called stalking.....please look it up. It is creepy to allow yourself and more so.....thinking that is clearly ok.

None of this makes sense it is just way to long and vague.


I play all the time with people I disagree with on forums, why? Why, because they and I am mature enough to know to put aside our feelings of slight or grief perceived and deal with a raid/quest at hand. When people on here who think it is ok to bring up old issues in a game with other non involved persons.....your getting them involved in something the 2 of you have issues with. I feel it is without a doubt wrong to force that on other players like is being done. More so from a one-sided bias point of view......you who feel you was grief on forums. When from a mere guess from talking to players, not alot even go to the forums, nor do they care. What you wish is to get others involved with half the facts from your point of view to funnel them solidly for your stand point. Do I have all the facts, not at all, but neither do all of you. I bring up a behavior that ITG's find ok to use against other players.

Blah blah blah... rehash rehash rehash rehash no new point has been made.


More so is this attempt to connect what one writes to how they are in game as one and the same. That is a tactic by alot of ITG's to give them freedom to harass a wrong doer they marked as prey. Half-hearted attempt but I guess if most who want that keeps saying it, maybe one day people will think it a truth and legit. Unless your willing to inform fellow players you now have made a new rule on forums that you are 100% allowed to chase them in game to get back at them if they crossed you, odds are nearly all will laugh in your face. Then again, you would hard pressed to find alot who even go to the forums. Other part of my issue is this decree that whole guilds should be free game to grief by what one person writes that some my not like. If you do not like what you read.....simple solution.....add to ignore and do not read. I hear from alot of you to get over this or that.....well......practice what you say.

Blah blah blah... you want solutions but you do nothing yourself about it except RESPOND. Your reactive retrospective paranoia is the product of your unfounded assumptions about what you believe really happened in conversations that probably never existed except in the small universe of your enclosed mind.


As I asked before, do all of you who write have full and 100% permission from your guild to post in forums? If not, your blowing smoke.

We all have a permission note from the AUTHORITY of our paid subscriptions.

RESPONSES in RED

[branmakmuffin]

As I asked before, do all of you who write have full and 100% permission from your guild to post in forums? If not, your blowing smoke.

That's just ... bizarre.

[Quanefel]

Maybe you should try that in Australian they might understand that for once On other hand I doubt it.

Try something like that:


"G'day mate. We play the game to have fun(get drunk),and not listen to cry all the time.Now I suggest you act like a growen up and get over yourself.You aren't that important to the whole server that we need to conspirate(thats doesn't soung right ) about your Guild."

Hm how was that ? I am stil in training:P

I am not sure you are aware of this but you are playing on America servers with the vast majority of players being Americans. So me or anyone else is not forced to go along with the "Australian way" as such. Maybe you think we all should but of course, that is your opinion. Not fact.

Also, in case you did not know. If an Australian acts or thinks a certian way, it does not mean everyone else is somehow required to act the same. Or maybe it is the case you personally think you are Australian or think we are all Australian too?

[Raegoul]

I am not sure you are aware of this but you are playing on America servers with the vast majority of players being Americans. So me or anyone else is not forced to go along with the "Australian way" as such. Maybe you think we all should but of course, that is your opinion. Not fact.

Also, in case you did not know. If an Australian acts or thinks a certian way, it does not mean everyone else is somehow required to act the same. Or maybe it is the case you personally think you are Australian or think we are all Australian too?

Literalism wins again.

I suggest Q that you spend more time appreciating the many other colours in the universe there is not just black and white

[Amabel]

i Am Not Sure You Are Aware Of This But You Are Playing On America Servers With The Vast Majority Of Players Being Americans. So Me Or Anyone Else Is Not Forced To Go Along With The "australian Way" As Such. Maybe You Think We All Should But Of Course, That Is Your Opinion. Not Fact.

Also, In Case You Did Not Know. If An Australian Acts Or Thinks A Certian Way, It Does Not Mean Everyone Else Is Somehow Required To Act The Same. Or Maybe It Is The Case You Personally Think You Are Australian Or Think We Are All Australian Too?

Lmao

[Quanefel]

That's just ... bizarre.

It is actually but it was not Shadowhand2 that was suggesting such a thing. Another forum user posted this on page 3 of this thread with this:

"Quanafel should just issue an edict keeping all of you (including himself) off the forums so you can still get groups in game."

So my brother is correct in asking the question to the response of the above statement I quoted above. There is more to the quote that you can easily read yourself. It is easy to understand that suggesting I TELL my guildmates to not post in the forums or to avoid posting myself just to...get into groups in the game? Its absurd and people seem to overlook how absurd that suggestion really was. The fact that not very many people at all would care enough to notice a statement like that is not really suprising. It helps to expose the bias of others in responding to us.

[Raegoul]

I am not sure you are aware of this but you are playing on America servers with the vast majority of players being Americans. So me or anyone else is not forced to go along with the "Australian way" as such. Maybe you think we all should but of course, that is your opinion. Not fact.

Also, in case you did not know. If an Australian acts or thinks a certian way, it does not mean everyone else is somehow required to act the same. Or maybe it is the case you personally think you are Australian or think we are all Australian too?

We are one but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come,
we share a dream,
And sing with one voice,
I am, you are, we are Australian.

this proves you are wrong Q, there is truth in music

[Quanefel]

We are one but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come,
we share a dream,
And sing with one voice,
I am, you are, we are Australian.

this proves you are wrong Q, there is truth in music

Huh? I am wrong to think we are playing on American servers with a large number of American players? That only proves one thing, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Raegoul]

Huh? I am wrong to think we are playing on American servers with a large number of American players? That only proves one thing, you have no idea what you are talking about.

No the words are merely telling you and I, the reality is we are all Australians doesnt matter what land we come from.

Did you do comprehension as school?

[Aussieee]

I am not sure you are aware of this but you are playing on America servers with the vast majority of players being Americans. So me or anyone else is not forced to go along with the "Australian way" as such. Maybe you think we all should but of course, that is your opinion. Not fact.

Also, in case you did not know. If an Australian acts or thinks a certian way, it does not mean everyone else is somehow required to act the same. Or maybe it is the case you personally think you are Australian or think we are all Australian too?

**** you missed the point again?I mean how do you manage to do that people tell you they heal you and they aren't stalking you or even care to talk about you..............................and you stil don't get it. My point was you didn't understand English so I thought you might get it in "Australian". And then again shall I try another language?

Nobody really cares that much about your guild;( Soryy to say that ,but when the server has their sercet meetings we talk about cool stuff,like how cute Australians sound,or how cheap Qwijy is.........Not about hunting you down or stalking you...............On other hand that might be a good idea:PPPP LOL

[TheMerc]

Huh? I am wrong to think we are playing on American servers with a large number of American players? That only proves one thing, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I see you and Shadowhand2 haven't changed much since all the plat farming acusations Q.

But please don't ever change, the denying logic until death and paranoia, you two make my day.