high saves pally/monk

[MondoGrunday]

i pity the groups that he gets into.....

so closed minded the little one...

[Aranticus]

so closed minded the little one...

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Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(14 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 270
Spell Points: 237 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 23
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            17                    26
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         12                    13
Wisdom               14                    18
Charisma             12                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               3                     8
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  3                    10
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  1                     3
Listen                2                     6
Move Silently         3                    10
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Divine Might I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV

str = 13+6(item)+1(tome) = 20
dex = 26+6(item)+2(shroud) = 34
wis = 18+6(item) = 24
cha = 16+6(item) = 22

ac = 10+12(dex)+7(wis)+5(raiment)+8(bracers)+5(prot)+3( dodge)+4(insight)+1(size)+4(aura)+5(CE) = 64, 69 with barkskin, 73 with shield, 75 with recitation, 76 with haste

saves = 21/23/19, 24/26/22 with +6 item, 30/33/28 with resist, 32/35/30 with hogf, 36/39/34 with GH

dps mode = zeal, DM, DF, way of breeze, smite

[MondoGrunday]

i like this version of the build, but is there no way to include cleric or sorc or even wiz to boost spell points and maybe with wiz take extend feat?? i mean i know i can take 1 lvl of caster to get the spell points but do guys think taking the sorc lvl is costing me too much on the pally front for the sp benefit?

[Aranticus]

i like this version of the build, but is there no way to include cleric or sorc or even wiz to boost spell points and maybe with wiz take extend feat?? i mean i know i can take 1 lvl of caster to get the spell points but do guys think taking the sorc lvl is costing me too much on the pally front for the sp benefit?

you get more than 2 MC, you lose on tier III pally PRCs. else you could do 14/1mnk/1wiz or clr. you lose 1 ac and the wind stance

[Inspire]

I'll keep this short.

Your solution for this build dealing with the numerous tough red named bosses is - let someone else do it.

1) I recommeneded this as a Solo build, when he gets his Ac into the high 60's self buffed he will be able to solo these named mobs without much difficulty(not every build is build for levels 1-7 or 12-14 but rather end game, I would say this build is a VERY end game build).

I'm aware of the various tactics for taking down red named bosses and this build can play basically no useful role in any of them, other than blocking the door in cabal. woot.

2) Your absolutly right... he might aswell stand there and not swing at all

Even his chances of taking down a red named orthon in vod by himself are basically zero as the dps is so low someone else will do all the work.

You have obviously never taken down one of these guys with a high Ac toon solo. Pull one away from the group and kill it while the rest of the party is using the Intimitank... So Ill try and keep it simple for you here;

I) They dont heal themselves.
II) They have a TERRIBLE to-hit.
III) Put 1 and 2 together and if your not getting hit.... your going to end up killing them.

DM + DF + Prayer + Bard Songs + +/+/+ Kamas/Rapiers(Cheapest I could think of) + Untouchable Ac = Ftw

I'm sorry but the OP needs to look more closely at other builds. There are very basic errors here, such as planning to start with 12 charisma, 18 wisdom and then putting putting level up points in to charisma(!). Even on its own flawed terms thats insane.

You're doing the OP no favours at all by encouraging this build, let alone new players who might think this is a viable build. Well it is, barely, as long as you've got w/p rapiers.

If you had been paying attention to this thred you would have seen that I dont agree with this build, but it has room for improvement, back on post #10 I suggested what I would do with the build and lose the Cleric level and maybe 1 Monk level to be able to aquire for tier III PrE's which IMO would help this build alot, and would keep alot of the traits the OP wanted such as high Ac, great saves, and support healing.

[Inspire]

you get more than 2 MC, you lose on tier III pally PRCs. else you could do 14/1mnk/1wiz or clr. you lose 1 ac and the wind stance

You can take Monk stance's at Monk level 1, you may be thinking animal paths which you can choose at level 2.

[nbhs275]

i like this version of the build, but is there no way to include cleric or sorc or even wiz to boost spell points and maybe with wiz take extend feat?? i mean i know i can take 1 lvl of caster to get the spell points but do guys think taking the sorc lvl is costing me too much on the pally front for the sp benefit?

Thing is, if you splash more then 2 levels at the current cap, and those sp lose alot of their value. Nevermind the fact that a lvl 14+ paladin is already looking at about 600 sp, far more then they need for what they are doing.

[Inspire]

Thing is, if you splash more then 2 levels at the current cap, and those sp lose alot of their value. Nevermind the fact that a lvl 14+ paladin is already looking at about 600 sp, far more then they need for what they are doing.

While my pure Paladin only has 522 Sp I find that he dosent run out of it too often unless I buff other people in a long quest chain(I personally zerg alot so playstyle may differ), but I agree you shouldnt splash more than 2 levels untill you get a chance to see the PrE's in action. 2 levels in Monk is very powerful for a Paladin just because of evasion, which is arguably the most powerful feat in the current metagame.

[MondoGrunday]

after taking some notes into consideration, i believe i can scale back 1 lvl of monk and go 2 lvl monk for 2 feats, decent saves and evasion. the rest would be pally so I can keep lvl 14 pally for its benefits. just have to decide between halfling or wf.

[nbhs275]

after taking some notes into consideration, i believe i can scale back 1 lvl of monk and go 2 lvl monk for 2 feats, decent saves and evasion. the rest would be pally so I can keep lvl 14 pally for its benefits. just have to decide between halfling or wf.

halfling gives you an AC advantage, 1 size, and 4 more potential dex(2 AC) while WF gives you simplier armor options (DT docent + choasguard along with 3 enhancments)

WF is more damaged focused and better set up for THF, while the halflings increased dexterity helps fit TWF. Either way, your stats need to be re-ajusted and settled in.

[Inspire]

after taking some notes into consideration, i believe i can scale back 1 lvl of monk and go 2 lvl monk for 2 feats, decent saves and evasion. the rest would be pally so I can keep lvl 14 pally for its benefits. just have to decide between halfling or wf.

If Dex based go Halfling/Rapiers.

If Str based go Warforged/Khopesh or Scimitar(if you dont want to spend the feat).

Just my 2cp.

[GunboatDiplomat]

You have obviously never taken down one of these guys with a high Ac toon solo. Pull one away from the group and kill it while the rest of the party is using the Intimitank... So Ill try and keep it simple for you here;

I) They dont heal themselves.
II) They have a TERRIBLE to-hit.
III) Put 1 and 2 together and if your not getting hit.... your going to end up killing them.

DM + DF + Prayer + Bard Songs + +/+/+ Kamas/Rapiers(Cheapest I could think of) + Untouchable Ac = Ftw

I'll stand by what I said. The build has practically zero chance of taking one of those guys down, not because he'll get killed if he peels one off but because his dps lags so much behind everyone else he will have barely scratched him by the time all the others are dead and everyone comes over to do the job for him. Duh.

[Aranticus]

You have obviously never taken down one of these guys with a high Ac toon solo. Pull one away from the group and kill it while the rest of the party is using the Intimitank... So Ill try and keep it simple for you here;

I) They dont heal themselves.
II) They have a TERRIBLE to-hit.
III) Put 1 and 2 together and if your not getting hit.... your going to end up killing them.

DM + DF + Prayer + Bard Songs + +/+/+ Kamas/Rapiers(Cheapest I could think of) + Untouchable Ac = Ftw

i have a capped 32 pt version of my floating leaf build with 32 str and 60+ ac. in vod, i will pull the agro of 3 others let the rest handle the remaining 1. by the time they finished the 2 or 3, i'd have chopped up the 1 by myself and dealt some damage to another, sustaining almost no damage. comparatively, the OP's original build will have only taken the same orthon by 1/3 -1/2 of the health. this is what we mean by the dps is lacking. dps is DAMAGE PER SECOND, dps is time based

in his senario, DM+DF would put him up by +5/+7 damage which will have been compensated by +8 from 16str and PA (+3 w/o PA, unlikely since most dex based melees have sufficiently high attack)

[MondoGrunday]

Its been revamped to as follows

Halfling Lawful good 2 Monk/14 pally
str 13
dex 16
con 12
int 13
wis 8
cha 16

still take all the halfling save feats and enhancements for the saves boost. still twf with finesse. take force of personality to give cha bonus instead of wis.
13 int will boost skill points and give ce.
pump umd and balance.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I don't exacly like your build....but I do like the Pal/Mnk for evasion idea.

I think Wiz14 is the highest you should go with a Pal. even a Pal Mnk.
And I think Cha is very Important...esp since you want high saves.

Str not as important as most think....but...still important.
Con not as important an a high saves Pal.....but still imp.

I have a Pal14/Rog2 with a high Cha, low Str, and low Con.
Well.....she's not a very good tank.
She is almost invulnerabe to magic. Has a high UMD. Can easlily play substitute cleric.
And despite the low Str can still do some decent DPS..at least burst DPS with Pal enhancements.
But still not a very good tank.
AC too low. HP too low (although this is only a handicap when actually geting beat on, and even then LoH helps her stay in the fight awhile) And sustained DPS too low.

Still a fun build and I see potential to make a better one with a splash of Mnk.

it's just so hard to balance all the stats a Pal needs.
IMO that is the real gimp of Pals. Not enough stat points to actually make a good one IMO.