New record of Elite Abbot run

[deadkitty]

It is not up to me to show or prove anything. Exraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I did not make the claim I beat it on elite in 7 minutes, as such I am not responsible for proving a claim made by someone else.

You are further incorrect in the belief that if an exploit was used to accomplish something it is still an achievement. Anyone can cheat, not everyone can do things as they were intended to be done. Anyone who accomplishes something as intended are the ones worthy of praise, not showering praise to those unworthy of it.

As far as any cheating a player may do, it does not matter if you think it is right or I think it is wrong. A rule is a rule, no exceptions for anyone because their personal beliefs on the subject. There is no clause in the rules that give exceptions for a person based off their nationality, language spoken, popularity, or anything of the sort. To do so would open the door for abuse of the rule, giving one player a free pass over other players. Hence, why the rule covers all players equally. No exceptions.

Here's a concept for you Q...

Can you actually prove that they used an exploit? If you can with 100% proof show they used an exploit then maybe you have some say in the matter. Otherwise there is no evidence to say they did not complete it legitly other than stubborn speculation.

/pwned

[Quanefel]

Here's a concept for you Q...

Can you actually prove that they used an exploit? If you can with 100% proof show they used an exploit then maybe you have some say in the matter. Otherwise there is no evidence to say they did not complete it legitly other than stubborn speculation.

/pwned

That concept makes little to no sense. Again, if others make an extraordinary claim it requires extraordinary evidence from them. Also, since I never claimed someone cheated then I am not required to prove anything of the sort. Burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not some random person you think should prove it for you.


/pwned? My 8 year old nephew uses that term, exactly what does it mean?

[Aspenor]

That concept makes little to no sense. Again, if others make an extraordinary claim it requires extraordinary evidence from them. Also, since I never claimed someone cheated then I am not required to prove anything of the sort. Burden of proof lies on the person making the claim, not some random person you think should prove it for you.


/pwned? My 8 year old nephew uses that term, exactly what does it mean?

Yeah, except they don't have to prove anything to you.

This is the primary reason why those of us that HAVE beaten the abbot don't say so. Because people demand "proof" that it was done in a way that they deem proper.

It seems obvious the OP could care less what you think, I would have thought people would catch on by now.

[Quanefel]

Yeah, except they don't have to prove anything to you.

This is the primary reason why those of us that HAVE beaten the abbot don't say so. Because people demand "proof" that it was done in a way that they deem proper.

It seems obvious the OP could care less what you think, I would have thought people would catch on by now.

You are right, no one has to prove anything if they do not wish. That does not impy that people are now not allowed to ask questions of extraordinary claims a person makes. If you personally do not like the idea of others asking questions about things, there is really nothing you can do to stop people from being curious.

The primary reason those who have beaten the raid is because they do not want anyone asking for proof of it being done in a way "they" deem proper? Not sure if anyone told you but it does not matter what you, me or anyone else deems it proper, it is what the Dev's and GM's deem is proper. If a person was of the mind to think they are not subject to the rules within the game, that is on them. I will not shed one tear on a person caught using cheese or exposes themselves openly to maybe having used cheese to accomplish a task within game.

I am sure the OP and yourself could care less what we think, but obviously if a person was to brag all the time openly about themselves they actually do care what others think of them or that person would not brag openly for all to see that persons accomplishment. These forums are open to all who have an account, if any one wants to ask questions of a post or thread then we have that right. In case you did not know that.

[deadkitty]

You are right, no one has to prove anything if they do not wish. That does not impy that people are now not allowed to ask questions of extraordinary claims a person makes. If you personally do not like the idea of others asking questions about things, there is really nothing you can do to stop people from being curious.

The primary reason those who have beaten the raid is because they do not want anyone asking for proof of it being done in a way "they" deem proper? Not sure if anyone told you but it does not matter what you, me or anyone else deems it proper, it is what the Dev's and GM's deem is proper. If a person was of the mind to think they are not subject to the rules within the game, that is on them. I will not shed one tear on a person caught using cheese or exposes themselves openly to maybe having used cheese to accomplish a task within game.

I am sure the OP and yourself could care less what we think, but obviously if a person was to brag all the time openly about themselves they actually do care what others think of them or that person would not brag openly for all to see that persons accomplishment. These forums are open to all who have an account, if any one wants to ask questions of a post or thread then we have that right. In case you did not know that.

Here's what i find humorous....

Still trolling without evidence to back up his rebutles.

They have provided proof of beating the abbot, you want to greif them... pretty simple

[Quanefel]

Here's what i find humorous....

Still trolling without evidence to back up his rebutles.

They have provided proof of beating the abbot, you want to greif them... pretty simple

What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know what Burden of Proof means? I thought I explained it easily enough earlier. My question to them was not that they beat the Abbot, that much is evidenced enough. My question was asking if it was beaten following the rules or game mechanics. As such, they did not prove anything about what was actually asked.

You also seemed to have skipped over me stating, I did not know and that is why I was asking.

You think it is pretty simply that I am grieving them? Of course it is not true but you believe that anyways. When it come to a point where one person thinks when another person is asking too many questions is considered "griefing", it leads me to believe that person is uncomfortable with others "daring" to question matters. I am thankfully not like that.

[Wizzly_Bear]

What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know what Burden of Proof means?.

do you know what it means? where's your proof?

[Quanefel]

do you know what it means? where's your proof?

Yes, I am well aware of what it means. Where is my proof of what exactly?

[Filipinomaids]

1. I am not laughing nor do I find this topic humorous.

2. This topic is not about me nor what I can or can not do.

3. I am not pretending to have done the Abbot raid nor am I suggesting I can't do it.

4. Any person(s) cheating or using exploits to win at something is wise to not openly brag about their actions. Or "fluff their feathers" if the case may be.

5. An honest man's accomplishment is worthy of praise but the accomplishments of a cheater/exploiter is not as well received as they think it is. So all praises goes to those actually worthy of them. Good job to you, your guild or friends if things were done as the Dev's intended that raid to be.

2 questions to u,Q

1.did u see us Fairy Tale finish Abbot by cheat or exploiter?

if u not,shut ur mouth up,pls,ty.

2.if u can beat the Abbot,don't say so much at thread,go to beat it,and give me a screenshot.

if u can't.shut ur mouth up again,pls,ty.

[Filipinomaids]

Grats to FT for the achievement.

To Quanefel, show us you can beat the abbott in less than, say, 15mins and I may respect you more. I know, you will say, that's not the point. But the point is anyone who can beat Abbott on elite, exploit or not, is already an achievement. Nuff said.

Tyvm,Falchion123,

[Wizzly_Bear]

2 questions to u,Q

1.did u see us Fairy Tale finish Abbot by cheat or exploiter?

if u not,shut ur mouth up,pls,ty.

2.if u can beat the Abbot,don't say so much at thread,go to beat it,and give me a screenshot.

if u can't.shut ur mouth up again,pls,ty.

what he said

[Aspenor]

Yes, I am well aware of what it means. Where is my proof of what exactly?

The fact that you think there is a "burden of proof" is laughable at it's very best.

Filipino here isn't trying to convince you of anything. He posted a screenshot. You have your rights to question, and he has his rights to ignore you.

Honestly Fil, if I were you I'd do what everybody else that has beaten the abbot does, don't say a thing about it. Inevitably this exact thing happens in almost every thread.

[Wizzly_Bear]

hey q.....

can you prove that when you created your character you didn't exploit/cheat or do anything else the devs did not intend?

[Quanefel]

2 questions to u,Q

1.did u see us Fairy Tale finish Abbot by cheat or exploiter?

if u not,shut ur mouth up,pls,ty.

2.if u can beat the Abbot,don't say so much at thread,go to beat it,and give me a screenshot.

if u can't.shut ur mouth up again,pls,ty.

1. I never claimed you, your guild or your friends cheated, exploited or used cheesy methods. To suggest otherwise is dishonest.

2. This thread is not about me beating or not beating anything. As such, I am not required to do any such thing simply because you demand I do. It does not work that way.

3. A person will generally consider it rude for others making threats towards them or telling them to "shut your mouth". If you think that is civilized behavior, you need to know it is not. Please refrain from such behavior if you could.

[Aspenor]

2 Questions To U,q

1.did U See Us Fairy Tale Finish Abbot By Cheat Or Exploiter?

If U Not,shut Ur Mouth Up,pls,ty.

2.if U Can Beat The Abbot,don't Say So Much At Thread,go To Beat It,and Give Me A Screenshot.

If U Can't.shut Ur Mouth Up Again,pls,ty.

Q 倔强，并且拖钓，不注意他

[Filipinomaids]

The fact that you think there is a "burden of proof" is laughable at it's very best.

Filipino here isn't trying to convince you of anything. He posted a screenshot. You have your rights to question, and he has his rights to ignore you.

Honestly Fil, if I were you I'd do what everybody else that has beaten the abbot does, don't say a thing about it. Inevitably this exact thing happens in almost every thread.

First,I wanna say thank you,Aspenor.

u r right,it'll be the last time for me to post a thread like this.

for Q,I can't stand him anymore.

we're from diffierent country with different culture.but we're all DDO player.

If sharing ur happiness to others DDO players is a mistake,then,OK,I won't recommit it again..

Sorry all...

Bow!~

-------------by Christiany


P.S. we're loyal DDO fans and player.we Fairy Tale keep the rules of DDO.so..don't doubt us anymore,we're not cheater.

[Quanefel]

The fact that you think there is a "burden of proof" is laughable at it's very best.

Filipino here isn't trying to convince you of anything. He posted a screenshot. You have your rights to question, and he has his rights to ignore you.

Honestly Fil, if I were you I'd do what everybody else that has beaten the abbot does, don't say a thing about it. Inevitably this exact thing happens in almost every thread.

If you think Burden of Proof is laughable, that is you. It still remains a matter of Burden of Proof regardless of what you think or feel.

Thanks, I know he is not trying to convince me of anything. I never suggested he is nor did he or others have to answer my question. If they did, fine. If they don't, fine too. I will always ask questions when I see an anomaly, it is part of who I am. I am sorry if you might get defensive of others asking questions. But, whatever.

[Filipinomaids]

Q 倔强，并且拖钓，不注意他

tyvm for ur Chinese typing,Aspenor.

U r so friendly to me

My English is not very good.

but I can understand when u say in English at all..

thank you all the same.that's very kind of u to typing Chinese for me

[Aspenor]

If you think Burden of Proof is laughable, that is you. It still remains a matter of Burden of Proof regardless of what you think or feel.

Thanks, I know he is not trying to convince me of anything. I never suggested he is nor did he or others have to answer my question. If they did, fine. If they don't, fine too. I will always ask questions when I see an anomaly, it is part of who I am. I am sorry if you might get defensive of others asking questions. But, whatever.

Do you ever read what you post before you type it?

"Burden of proof" is a concept that assumes there is some kind of argument in the first place.

[deadkitty]

Yes, I am well aware of what it means. Where is my proof of what exactly?

You making ass"Out of you"umptions that this raid completion is due to exploits without any proof. They beat the abbot they don't have to answer to you how they beat it. If you're to jealous to accept it, QQ so sad.