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    It's as the title asks, I would like to know the max ac for a pure fighter. With descriptions of how you achieved it. Thanks.

    ps - I'd post what I have but I'm too lazy, and I thought I was missing some stuff but apparently not.
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    There are couple of things that you need to know about the type of fighter to give a more accurate assesment of the max attainable AC.

    1. Dex based or Str Based
    2. GTWF or S&B

    The two above choices will make a big difference in the gear type therefore making the max AC of each build type different. Maybe if you can give a little more specific data on what type of build that you would like the max AC for and we can give better idea for ya.

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    str based s&b

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    you can hit 65 as a 28 point human fighter. and i believe 69ish as a dwarven pallys with a ftr splash. ill talk to ya tomorow in game if ya cant find the links to cashery's dwarf intimidate pally build. for the 69. those numbers are self buffed of course. you can hit much higher with group buffs.

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    Spyderwolf has the following set up. you can hit 64 undispellable ac. 65 with haste.
    izuall shouldnt have any problems doing the same.

    goggles-queen goggles
    helm-min 2
    neck- wis 6
    trinket-head of good fortune
    cloak- queen cloak
    belt-titan belt
    ring 1- hound ring for sr 22
    ring 2 -titan ring
    gloves-queen gloves if zerging ,oob gloves if using PA
    boots- madstone boots
    bracers-chaosguards
    armor- DT w/ resist 5,con6.nat armor 4 w/ armor ritual
    weapon- insight 4 anyhting
    shield- +5mts w/shield ritual

    feats-dodge,CE


    10 base
    15 armor
    4 dex
    7 dodge(2 bracers,3 ring,2 from the rituals on armor and shield)
    5 protection
    4 nat
    9 shield
    6 feat (1 dodge, 5 CE)
    4 insight

    thats 64 undispellable ac

    65 with haste.

    1 level 12 ranger barks
    5 level 15 pally
    4 bard song
    2 recitation
    5 human vers 4 or fighter ac 4 boosts

    thats 82 with perfect buffs

    if ya make an air gaurd shroud item you can hit 83 with the random haste ya get since it stacks for the ac part.

    then if ya tumble you can hit i think +10 with aps.so 93 ac

    add 3 to all of the above numbers if your a dwarf and can max your dex out at +7 with dt armor and mithral tower shields.

    is that was you was looking for izzie?

    so as a human fighter 93 ac.
    and as a dwarf fighter 96 ac.
    both very short times.
    realistic ac is inthe 65-70 range sustained.

    thx for reading.

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    Nicely done spyder. And I guess I didn't really forget anything in my buildup, the way I figure I should have iz up to about 62 unbuffed. (; 63 if I get queen ring, 64 if I go for insight weapon(which probly wont happen, so ill just go for the insight on my armor)

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    lol jsut book mark this page. cause i know ive told ya all this at least 5 other times.

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    Unbuff
    10 Base
    15 DT Full Plate
    1 Alchemical armor
    7 Dex(1 FP + 3 Fighter armor mastery +3 dwarven armor mastery)
    9 Full tower(4dex mith full tower + 3dex Fighter FT mastery)
    1 alchemical shield
    3 chatter ring
    4 insightful
    2 chaos guard
    1 dodge feat
    5 protection
    1 Parry weapon
    -------------
    59 Unbuff

    Self Buff
    5 CE
    4 nat armor(madstone)
    5 Ftr AC boost
    1 haste
    -------------
    +15 = 74 self buff.

    Outside buff
    1 Lvl12 rgr bark
    2 recitation
    4 bard song
    5 pala aura
    3 Halfing hero companion
    -------------
    15 = 89 full buffed

    Silly factor
    +4 mobility
    +6 Fighter mobility
    +1 air guard(lol if you can get hit)
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    +10 = 100 while tumbling And Doh Spyder beat me to some of it while I was typing it out.

    Haha totally forgot about giant dodger, Thx desteria.

    +7 Giant dodger(4 +3 dwarven dodgeIII) = 107. This would be absolute max possible at the moment for a pure Fighter in a perfect world......
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    Ok Let me take a hack at this MAX AC pure Fighter, you dont specfic race but you say max ac so DWARF it is....

    10 Base
    +15 DT Fullplate, get +4 nat OR lots of madestone boots
    +4 Nat armor
    +9 Mith Tower sheild
    +7 Dex (TSM3, FAM3 DAM3, 24dex)
    +1 Armor ritual
    +1 Sheild ritual
    +4 Insight Shroud Weapon
    +2 Dodge Cayos Guards
    +3 Dodge Chattering Ring
    +1 Dodge Feat
    +5 something Combat Experties
    +5 Protection item
    =67 AC Totaly unbufed
    +1 haste pots
    68 ac self buffed

    +4 dodge bard song
    +1 nat Ranger
    +2 luck recitation
    75 ac raid buffed

    +5 Pally
    80ac with a pally near by on said raid.

    +4? Ac boosted
    84 Ac short team on said raid

    +4 OR more vr's gaints
    88+ ac if said raid boss is a giant

    All of the above while Fighting.... Ther is some tumbple **** but no self respecting fighter should be doign that **** stand and FIGHT hit them not dance aroudn them thats what the heavy armor and sheild are for
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderwolf View Post
    lol jsut book mark this page. cause i know ive told ya all this at least 5 other times.
    You got a point... So I will. :P

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    Would it be possible to get you guru's to run said numbers for all 3 fighter types ie. S&B, TWF,THF? would be good to have theoretical max's in one place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baddax View Post
    Would it be possible to get you guru's to run said numbers for all 3 fighter types ie. S&B, TWF,THF? would be good to have theoretical max's in one place?
    Just subtract 9 points of AC for the tower shield (and another -1 for the ritual) and you have the other two numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraldor View Post
    Just subtract 9 points of AC for the tower shield (and another -1 for the ritual) and you have the other two numbers.
    Thx much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraldor View Post
    Just subtract 9 points of AC for the tower shield (and another -1 for the ritual) and you have the other two numbers.
    well not quite.
    -9-1+4Shield spell = -6 THF.
    -9-1+4Shield+1TWF defense for -5 TWF.

    Oh wow and I forgot another bonus in my post +1 parry bonus stacks with insightful bonus so +1 all styles. and the +4 insight bonus comes from DT sov rune bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul-Shaker View Post
    well not quite.
    -9-1+4Shield spell = -6 THF.
    -9-1+4Shield+1TWF defense for -5 TWF.

    Oh wow and I forgot another bonus in my post +1 parry bonus stacks with insightful bonus so +1 all styles. and the +4 insight bonus comes from DT sov rune bonus.
    the paryr bonus STACKS!!!!!

    thats odd becasue it;s listed as a insight bonus, did you test this in game soul, not dubting you really i know you know your ****.
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    Sorry, I know this is for a Pure fighter
    but I have a challenge for ya's

    Can you help please?

    I am trying to Hang on to Bekki
    he's a 28 pt. Fighter 10/ Ranger 5 (soon to be 6)

    I would have to Say Str based...

    with a Dex of 22 (With Gloves...)

    Alignment: Neutral Good (Ooops! He was the second character I rolled...)

    Mainly TWF, but also use S&B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekki View Post
    Sorry, I know this is for a Pure fighter
    but I have a challenge for ya's

    Can you help please?

    I am trying to Hang on to Bekki
    he's a 28 pt. Fighter 10/ Ranger 5 (soon to be 6)

    I would have to Say Str based...

    with a Dex of 22 (With Gloves...)

    Alignment: Neutral Good (Ooops! He was the second character I rolled...)

    Mainly TWF, but also use S&B

    What are my Best Bets?

    not 100% but ithink youd be 1 ac off as you cant take fighter armor master 3 at level 10 can ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desteria View Post
    the paryr bonus STACKS!!!!!

    thats odd becasue it;s listed as a insight bonus, did you test this in game soul, not dubting you really i know you know your ****.
    Yep it stacks and have been using it that way since shroud weapons came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderwolf View Post
    lol jsut book mark this page. cause i know ive told ya all this at least 5 other times.
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