List of 40 solid melee-oriented characters on Khyber

[deadkitty]

i can second assultriffle

[Desteria]

see what i can tell just by looking at the list so far is that all or most of the peopel posting are notplayign during the Norht amercan prime times, because i see very few of the obviusly top tanks form that time frame, btu i see a toen of peopel that i now see on when i play during the middle of the night/early mornings, I moved to night shift recently

just fro fun I'll throw a few people up but really there are to many to list

Mav- on ANY of his many melle toons
Norg
Blighter
Incise
Khellendro
Matavius
Annibelle - i'm tooting my own horn got a problem hu hu do ya
Kwaiii - i'm tooting my own horn got a problem hu hu do ya
Mcgruf - i'm tooting my own horn got a problem hu hu do ya
Towong
Balar
Augg (i think that on of the melle aug's )
Boldrin on any of his guys, (pig etc)


About 20 more I cant rember all the names off off the top of my head, Basicaly take a look at the khyber speed shroud run record SS's over in achevments purty much every one of thouse would be on my list.


sorry to all thougs i forgot you all know who you are i run with you when ever i can.

[MyloInKY]

Truncated gets my vote

[Breck_N'Dwall]

Roxie with those death-nips.

[uhgungawa]

One criteria for a solid melee should also be people who push to do elite content first and to do it consistently asap. On these elite content runs they have to be good at taking pressure of healers because they do their jobs so well (killing, damage mitigation, utility, etc.). Alot of the people on these lists you have strakeln don't push to do elite content first. Now some of the people on these lists do push to do it first and consistently do quests on elite rather then quests on normal and those people are more worthy for sure of being on any top 40 list.

In the end a real top 40 list which would mostly consist of the top powergaming guilds (about 7-8 guilds on Khyber) has more real value. The reason these guilds have most of the best melee is they attract and recruit the best players, push their players to be better (do quests on elite), and the players have the best gear (they are powergamers).

Ok, here I'll have to disagree with you a bit. A top melee will only push to do a quest on what the party make up is capable of doing, not just "ELITE". to do such a thing in a party that is not capable of handling it would be wrong. The same would go to any play, not just melees.

To push a group to high standards is good, as long as that's what the party wants. To push beyond there abilities, or wants makes that person a tyrant not a top player.

I'd say most people like to play with compitant players, not just ubers. Everyone is new to a quest at some point, and everyones learning curve is different. as long as they're willing to listen and learn, it's still fun.

I also believe that a top player adjusts their play style to help fill in the overall style of the party, and tries different techniques to better work with the parties make up.

But these are just my thought, everyone has there own thought on how it should work. Some people only play with their L33T SQUAD. Some are the teachers (with more patients than me ) and some are a mix of many things

[Inkblack]

I'll second the following:

Odysius - first (of many more) to convince me pallys could be awesome
Rezik - best barb/fighter I've grouped with
Aijikora - but not as Aijikora, as Kithsormai
Garund - as Garundii
Martis
Nellethiel
Arachne
Trillianna - even though he plays to late

[Cherry]

I'll second the following:

Odysius - first (of many more) to convince me pallys could be awesome
Rezik - best barb/fighter I've grouped with
Aijikora - but not as Aijikora, as Kithsormai
Garund - as Garundii
Martis
Nellethiel
Arachne
Trillianna - even though he plays to late

I am so taking you off of my Facebook friends page!!

[babygirl]

well I would have to say that Aneta isn't that bad for a pally

[Inkblack]

I am so taking you off of my Facebook friends page!!

Ok, ok -- and Bellytwo as well.

Ink

[Boldrin]

well I would have to say that Aneta isn't that bad for a pally

Lol, you're nominating yourself??

[Kahoun]

Strekeln: Making things up now, are we? Please show me where I make such a claim. You will find I have not, that you took something I said and twisted it into my claiming this list to be superior to any other.

Here, in your concept post:

Strekeln: Okay, so we keep trying to do top 20 lists and all that, which don't usually work out too well. So let's try something new.

Logic dictates that you think your list is potentially superior, else you would not have posted it with the above statement. I see you are still adding nominations, you must think it is doing well, no? How about I just ask you outright and you can clear up any twisting of words by using “yes” or “no”: Do you think this list you have created is superior to the top-20 lists you mention in the above quote?

Strekeln: You obviously have an axe to grind, Kahoun, and I can't imagine something so stupid as this thread has gotten you so stirred up. So man up and come out with it... what's bothering you so much?

I'm glad you asked, my reason for holding these "who-is-good" lists in contempt is because in valuing the isolating of players and labeling them 'better-than-those-not-on-this-list' they encourage elitism. A thread dedicated to encouraging a community to value one player over another because of subjectively voted “player-skill” will only lead to Ego driven oneupmanship, and results no one can agree on. Popularity alone is a very poor gauge for value.

Strekeln: Are you really this upset about a thread that amounts to "list of 40 people who had three others say they play a fifth-string MMO 'purty gud'?

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I stated quite clearly that your list is on par in usefulness and intent as the other top-20's you are trying to surpass. That is the entire point of my correspondence, do you care to address it? I do wish you would.

Kahoun: I find it amusingly strange that he was pretentious enough to post it and make these claims, and that he continually tries to defend it in the face of its own self-contradiction.
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Strekeln: More made up ****. Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are?

To think that your thread is somehow potentially better than any of the other top-20's is pretentious, and for you to take the following line of defense is amusing, as I will attest to you again:

Strekeln: People like to give credit/shout-outs/whatever to those they think play well. Most top 20 lists devolve into flamewars. I thought maybe this format would allow one without the other.

There are two things in this format that contradict your stated intent:
1) You give a running tally of popularity via votes. The confirmed “good” and the “wannabes”. Add in the people not on your list and you have 3 ranks. Add in the in fighting and ego wars that your posters are engaging in and you have even more.
2) You have a limited amount of spaces available on a first-in basis. Setting limited exclusive positions means there is now a race to fill them.
If this was a shout-out thread there would be no need for 'confirmations' or limited places.

Ohhhhhh, I see. You're the guy that was all torq'd up at Vorpalsword, and now you're ticked at me because I didn't have anything bad to say about him. Well that makes more sense now... was wondering why someone I didn't know would have such an issue with me.

As I have learned from multiple experiences, hotheads of your origin are a special breed. Similar to most hotheads, they get ticked off at the slightest of things... but your version never, ever, ever, ever lets it go. So I suppose I can expect to see you following me about the forums now, trying to start stuff on every corner, right? Awesome.

The guy? That is a large thread that only Vorpalsword himself now contributes to. However, he has nothing to do with why I'm criticizing your thread concept. I don't know you, this exchange takes place because I posted a satirical quib demonstrating my contempt for “playerz-waht r gud” lists, which I have done elsewhere. The difference here is that you invited a dialogue by responding to me insisting that your list was not a ranking or a finite list, and telling me I should consider joining in. I disagree and ultimately presented you with some questions, you can choose to address my points or ignore them, or just generally make a lot of paranoid noise about how you are being unfairly persecuted, victimized and stalked. You slipped into the last role with gusto! one might assume this is how you deal with minor opposition outside of the forums, maybe this is why a popularity list appeals to you?

But then again, I'm almost convinced you actually thought this thread was a good idea. Perhaps two things can be concluded from your posts; either your willing to live with the fact that your list defies your intent and are playing the victim, or you really do not comprehend how it defies you intent and think you are being unfairly victimized. You are otherwise seemingly competent and intelligent, I'm standing by in the hope that this will be your saving grace.

[babygirl]

Lol, you're nominating yourself??

yes, yes I am who else will do it if I don't LOL

[Asherons_Chosen]

I don't understand how no-one has nominated Grawwl the greatest of the 28 point original build barbarians!

[Varr]

I nominate Grawwl.........

And I deff confirm to overwhelming might and awesome powers of Kahouns melee. Far more important than anyone elses assention, we must as a group confirm him to the list with all do haste! I would infact dealphabatize his name to #1 personaly, but I defer to your judgement.

[Strakeln]

Here, in your concept post:

Logic dictates that you think your list is potentially superior, else you would not have posted it with the above statement. I see you are still adding nominations, you must think it is doing well, no?

Yep, exactly as I said. I said one thing, you warped it into what you wanted to see. I've highlighted the portion where you added your own delusions. Nowhere in there did I imply any form of superiority, I merely suggested we try a different format. You read into meaning that was not there. Logic does not dictate that I think my list is potentially superior... your faulty logic does.

How about I just ask you outright and you can clear up any twisting of words by using “yes” or “no”: Do you think this list you have created is superior to the top-20 lists you mention in the above quote?

No.

But let me guess, despite that direct rebuttal of a yes-or-no question, you're certain that you know and understand my intent better than I do. You'll claim that while I say 'no', I mean 'yes', right?

I'm glad you asked, my reason for holding these "who-is-good" lists in contempt is because in valuing the isolating of players and labeling them 'better-than-those-not-on-this-list' they encourage elitism. A thread dedicated to encouraging a community to value one player over another because of subjectively voted “player-skill” will only lead to Ego driven oneupmanship, and results no one can agree on. Popularity alone is a very poor gauge for value.

It seemed to me that these lists were somewhat popular. You do realize that you're not the only person on these forums, right?

Look at the post and view counts of threads like this. Obviously more than one or two people enjoy reading them. But because Kahoun doesn't like them, we shouldn't have them... is that your point? Pretty selfish, wouldn't you say? Would it really be sooooo hard for you not to click on threads that you know you won't like?

I stated quite clearly that your list is on par in usefulness and intent as the other top-20's you are trying to surpass. That is the entire point of my correspondence, do you care to address it? I do wish you would.

It is on par for the usefulness, which is to say that it's only moderately useful (I picked up some names that I'd not heard before, will try to run with some of them - useful but not extremely so by any means). So far as the intent, I have stated it above... of course, as you showed above, you are certain that you know me and understand my intent better than I do.

I have answered you very directly yet again, are you going to read what I wrote or are you going to interpret it through your jaded glasses?

To think that your thread is somehow potentially better than any of the other top-20's is pretentious

I don't disagree. Which is why I don't think that. I will ask you in big bold letters: Please stop making things up then attributing them to me. I do not share your warped point of view.

There are two things in this format that contradict your stated intent:
1) You give a running tally of popularity via votes. The confirmed “good” and the “wannabes”. Add in the people not on your list and you have 3 ranks. Add in the in fighting and ego wars that your posters are engaging in and you have even more.

Without some form of community confirmation, every plat farmer's name would be able to make it on there. Not that that's realistic, but the idea of the votes is to convey that someone said "I think this guy is good" and two other people agreed. A lack of any criteria to make the list is what contributed to the flame war devolution in the other threads. Here, it's just you.

As far as the "wannabes", that really wasn't my intent of the second list. It is simply a mechanic to try and make keeping track of things easier, for both myself and those reading the thread. If you can't understand this, I suggest you start from the second post and try to keep track of nominations/confirmations... you will quickly understand why having an editable post to keep track of nominations was necessary.

2) You have a limited amount of spaces available on a first-in basis. Setting limited exclusive positions means there is now a race to fill them.
If this was a shout-out thread there would be no need for 'confirmations' or limited places.

See, here you go putting your twisted thoughts into my mouth. I'll say it again, slowly this time... I.... don't.... think.... like... you...

get it?

Here's my actual thought process when I made it 40 slots:
- 20 can get tight
- 40 is so large that it likely won't be filled before the thread dies
- therefore, 40 should be enough space to avoid any ranking for the period of participation

If I made it into 100 slots, will you feel better? How many slots is sufficient for you? I was unaware there was some minimum number of slots to make Kahoun happy, you really should advertise these things.

But then again, I'm almost convinced you actually thought this thread was a good idea. Perhaps two things can be concluded from your posts; either your willing to live with the fact that your list defies your intent and are playing the victim, or you really do not comprehend how it defies you intent and think you are being unfairly victimized. You are otherwise seemingly competent and intelligent, I'm standing by in the hope that this will be your saving grace.

I suggest you look through this thread, but take your tinted (spray-painted?) glasses off. Most people in here are going right along with the thread's concept: nominating a few people, confirming a few others, sharing the occasional story here and there.

There's one person in this thread making a big stink. That'd be you. I don't know where you get the idea that everyone in here is flaming each other... there's some minor pokes, for sure, but all in all this was a rather tame Khyber thread until you stopped by with a skunk in a headlock.

I realize what comes next. Despite making my intent clear, you will either claim that I am not being forthcoming with my intent, or that my intent does not matter, the result is the same. To the first claim, there's nothing I can do except tell you that you are wrong, that you wrongly assume that others think in your jaded way. To the second, I say that is a matter of opinion, and obviously one that is unique or nearly unique to you.

[Riot]

call me what you will. But imho this version of verification carries more weight than the single nomination / approval of the thread starter does in the other comparable top X thread.

I honestly don't think the intent here is propping up the "elite".
I think it's actually some good kudos to folks around us who people think are good.

Is some of it popularity? sure it is. Is popularity a measure? Absolutely!
Unlike the high school cafeteria though, internet popularity doesn't carry alot of positives for azzhats. Fear is not the menace it is in Real Life confrontations in game.

So it's not like azzhats are going to show up on this contest.
unless they are here to argue.

/e pinky to lip

[maddmatt70]

Ok, here I'll have to disagree with you a bit. A top melee will only push to do a quest on what the party make up is capable of doing, not just "ELITE". to do such a thing in a party that is not capable of handling it would be wrong. The same would go to any play, not just melees.

To push a group to high standards is good, as long as that's what the party wants. To push beyond there abilities, or wants makes that person a tyrant not a top player.

I'd say most people like to play with compitant players, not just ubers. Everyone is new to a quest at some point, and everyones learning curve is different. as long as they're willing to listen and learn, it's still fun.

I also believe that a top player adjusts their play style to help fill in the overall style of the party, and tries different techniques to better work with the parties make up.

But these are just my thought, everyone has there own thought on how it should work. Some people only play with their L33T SQUAD. Some are the teachers (with more patients than me ) and some are a mix of many things

A top melee can raise a squad that wouldn't otherwise be able to complete quests on elite to that level. For example if it takes a squad months to beat vod on elite how can the members of that squad even be on a list of top melees or how about they consistently do every quest on normal and not for loot efficiency purposes but because they can't do it on elite.

[Emili]

A top melee can raise a squad that wouldn't otherwise be able to complete quests on elite to that level. For example if it takes a squad months to beat vod on elite how can the members of that squad even be on a list of top melees or how about they consistently do every quest on normal and not for loot efficiency purposes but because they can't do it on elite.

Anything and everything can be done on elite with any group given the time, persistense, drive, knowledge and a tad of intellect and skill... the bloody game is easy enough for that. I know some very awesome players - twitchwise, knowledgewise, etc... who I would not consider well rounded just due to their attitude when things do not go quite their way. I for one love elite, prefer elite, I suggest elite but I'm not going to push people into playing in my yard persey... and if 5 seygirls asked me into Abbot elite on the character I'm worst at playing (Heathier)... If I accept I'm there for the duration, as I believe most all DDO players will be... My top nomination for the best DDO melee goes out to Joe-average who picks the quest, goes into it and stays 'til it done.

I do not mean this as a chatising post... you raise valide points, truth is there is not a quest in this game which cannot be done on eilte by all. To me at least, DDO - DnD is not about how quick can I do x quest, nor is it 'bout how smart am I 'bout playing x quest, or how much loot can I get from x quest elite in x times runs... It's 'bout people and playing together. My dearest Berzerk (now moved on), coined the FH motto due to constant quoting of Princess Bride's "We fight for true love." That's "true love of game - friendship" - btw that is what this game is about.

I suppose to some this list may seem like a "who's popular" but that in itself does not go without merrit - is my point, people like these people. When you think about it in the end the list really has no creedance as we play with those we like anyway, because we're here to have fun.

[The_Phenx]

All this makes me laugh

It kinda reminds me of highschool.

And much like highschool, I'm hanging with my friends playing DDO instead of worrying about it.

[Lorichie]

Anything and everything can be done on elite with any group given the time, persistense, drive, knowledge and a tad of intellect and skill... the bloody game is easy enough for that. I know some very awesome players - twitchwise, knowledgewise, etc... who I would not consider well rounded just due to their attitude when things do not go quite their way. I for one love elite, prefer elite, I suggest elite but I'm not going to push people into playing in my yard persey... and if 5 seygirls asked me into Abbot elite on the character I'm worst at playing (Heathier)... I'm there for the duration, as I believe most all DDO players will be... My top nomination for the best DDO melee goes out to Joe-average who picks the quest, goes into it and stays 'til it done.

I do not mean this as a chatising post... but to me at least, DDO - DnD is not about how quick can I do x quest, nor is it 'bout how smart am I 'bout playing x quest, or how much loot can I get from x quest elite in x times runs... It's 'bout people and playing together. My dearest Berzerk (now moved on), coined the FH motto due to constant quoting of Princess Bride's "We fight for true love." That's "true love of game - friendship" - btw that is what this game is about.

Few minutes ago, i quoted this before Emili edited it. I wrote out this long post, dribbiling and drabbling on, and then deleted because it became this big wall of text that really no one is going to care about. The above however sums it up pretty good.

"Great" players dont care about what everyone else does and how they do it. "Great" players play for the game, and for the chance to spend time with those they've met along the way, and those they hope to meet someday.

This is just my opinion,

R