Top 20 melees of Khyber

[Strakeln]

Technically speaking, Gornn actually takes spots 1-20, and several spots after that. I think Verlock was just trying to cut to the chase... these posts are limited, you know!

1) Gornn
2) Gornn
...
infinity+1) Gornn
infinity+2) Gornn
...
infinity+infinity) Gornn

see what I mean?

[henryhjiang002]

May I ? lol !

[deadkitty]

May I ? lol !

I would have to sa assultrifle is on there... along with dirtyone, friksi, sassy, dimz, and ill think of more soon as I sober up from last night

[Indrn_Fretgoop]

Liloneses ftw!

[renegade117]

Can I vote for myself?

[JoeyJoJoJr]

Can I vote for myself?

i'll vote for you if you vote for me!

[Artagon]

I nominate Skitzofrenik

[uhgungawa]

I would have to sa assultrifle is on there... along with dirtyone, friksi, sassy, dimz, and ill think of more soon as I sober up from last night

thanks for the vote, but i'd have to say babbette came out as strong but a whole lot more survivable. but i'll take any vote with a grin

[Emili]

Pigsticker is good, Torro's alts are all good, If quicktoezzy and grab were still around they'd be in there. Meatwad plays well in complimenting a party as does jax play his melee well, leylia and dimz know what they're doing with their melees... Melee skill varies so much, you have twitchers like me and the long hard stand your ground, Shamgar(Shammy) plays a very good melee, Also var has a very adapt Pally comming up and plays it solid, what I believe a good melee - is that someone who understands the nature of thier build and uses it's potential.

[Raegoul]

Hey Verlock just add to your post your 20 ingame friends that you so proudly claim to have...

[maddmatt70]

Considering that you have only 2 characters and a third you are leveling up listed in your signature I doubt you play that much. There are people out there who only play 1-2 characters and play them well and often, but I have not run with you in quite sometime long enough that I question whether you even play any longer (I think from what I can recall Verlock is a twf human fighter).

Really alot of the very best melees don't play ddo anymore so any current list feels weak in comparison to lists of the past. Three examples of this: one of from each server that makes up Khyber: Maldini (Aundair), Quicktoez (Riedra), and Axer (Khyber) all who would make up most peoples top 20s of all time don't currently play D&D. Quicktoez in my opinion was the best all around melee on Khyber (bard, rogue, barbarian) of all time. Axer is probably the best barbarian especially thf and Maldini (only ran with 3 times) was a demon at barbarian. The list of old time greats is far better then any list of current ones sadly.

[Strakeln]

The list of old time greats is far better then any list of current ones sadly.

Meh... it all comes down to opinion, which is why there can be no official list. Even the factors of what makes a great melee will vary from person to person.

For example, you list Axer as one of the historical best. He was certainly a good player, and his build was solid for what it was meant to do, but he needed two clerics and a hastebot just to make it across town. To some, self-sufficiency shouldn't even be considered when playing a barbarian... but to others, a lack of self-sufficiency is a huge flaw in both the build and the player.

Not trashing Axer by any means, just pointing out that the definition of "best melee" is highly subjective.

[The_Phenx]

I would have to sa assultrifle is on there... along with dirtyone, friksi, sassy, dimz, and ill think of more soon as I sober up from last night

And yet not a one has ever beat me when playing Ghinsuu... whats that say...

[The_Phenx]

Seriously, did we need another one of these stupid ****ing lists?

Hey you got nominated for cleric... its like highschool all over again... cept back then it was the cheerleaders making the lists.

[The_Phenx]

Meh... it all comes down to opinion, which is why there can be no official list. Even the factors of what makes a great melee will vary from person to person.

For example, you list Axer as one of the historical best. He was certainly a good player, and his build was solid for what it was meant to do, but he needed two clerics and a hastebot just to make it across town. To some, self-sufficiency shouldn't even be considered when playing a barbarian... but to others, a lack of self-sufficiency is a huge flaw in both the build and the player.

Not trashing Axer by any means, just pointing out that the definition of "best melee" is highly subjective.

Which is why the quest competitions were more amusing than a VERY subjective list.

[Boldrin]

And yet not a one has ever beat me when playing Ghinsuu... whats that say...

Beat you at what, killcount? You realize killcount is meaningless any more. Anyone can chase down weak trash mobs. But if all the melees do that the party suffers

[maddmatt70]

Meh... it all comes down to opinion, which is why there can be no official list. Even the factors of what makes a great melee will vary from person to person.

For example, you list Axer as one of the historical best. He was certainly a good player, and his build was solid for what it was meant to do, but he needed two clerics and a hastebot just to make it across town. To some, self-sufficiency shouldn't even be considered when playing a barbarian... but to others, a lack of self-sufficiency is a huge flaw in both the build and the player.

Not trashing Axer by any means, just pointing out that the definition of "best melee" is highly subjective.

A self sufficient barbarian? Say what... Unless its some sort of 'defensive barbarian' build I suppose, but otherwise meh. Barbarians kill things man. Axer had a very powerful philosophy give him all the buffs you can at the start of the quest and then lets sprint through the quest and kill things quickly and furthermore having more then 1 melee in a quest is a waste I will kill all things that require melee you kill things and cc things with spells where they are required. That is why he never recruited melee for a quest because he didn't need them and they were inefficient.

I don't think a real list is as subjective as you think. One issue will always be if somebody has run enough with somebody else, but the truth is the best stand out consistently. Quicktoez for example - that guy always stood out in every quest I ever ran with him. You can call that subjective if you want, but there is a point where you just know that guy is good and it is pretty factual.

[Mithran]

Momega's characters would be at the top of my lists (if I were the least bit inclined to make one), but I regard self-sufficiency as enormously favorable.

[Verlock]

Considering that you have only 2 characters and a third you are leveling up listed in your signature I doubt you play that much. There are people out there who only play 1-2 characters and play them well and often, but I have not run with you in quite sometime long enough that I question whether you even play any longer (I think from what I can recall Verlock is a twf human fighter).

Really alot of the very best melees don't play ddo anymore so any current list feels weak in comparison to lists of the past. Three examples of this: one of from each server that makes up Khyber: Maldini (Aundair), Quicktoez (Riedra), and Axer (Khyber) all who would make up most peoples top 20s of all time don't currently play D&D. Quicktoez in my opinion was the best all around melee on Khyber (bard, rogue, barbarian) of all time. Axer is probably the best barbarian especially thf and Maldini (only ran with 3 times) was a demon at barbarian. The list of old time greats is far better then any list of current ones sadly.

A month ago. i was playing my cleric. 8 hours + aday. but i had some RL stuff then my comp crashed. so all i do is forums now. but i do take you on the axer. he was probley one of the best in the game,

Im gonna get a new comp after x mas is past. this laptop would. put out a puff of smoke.start spinning. and fly in to the wall. and blow up. if i made it try and run DDO. LOL,

Yes Verlock was a TWF human fighter. you ain't saw him in a long time cause. i got his UMD way up. then was running guild only (pretty much as a cleric). then had guild problems. and quit playing him. and made my cleric

[renegade117]

Mad,

You are right about them being good players, no argument there. But I think what Strakeln means (I could be wrong) is that what people consider the "best mêlée" varies wildly based on their opinions... That the list itself is very subjective, as some go by being good stand-alone, or being good in your roll, or kill count, or overall damage, etc...

So this list would have to be based at least a little on popularity and fall in place reflecting the majority's opinion of the best type/player then go down from there.

Maybe the best post would be more like "Top 20 killers" or "Top 20 Defensive" or "Top 20 DPS players" etc...