Tempest TWF Questions

[ehcsztein]

Perhaps you will get bailed out by the enhancement changes, but at the momemt meh. There is nothing wrong with splashes. 1 barbarian level for instance gets you a rage which will be about 1 min long that gives +4 str and con which is great for short end boss fights and a 10% increase of your run speed. 1 level of rogue gets you d6+3 sneak attack and umd as a class skill. 1 level splash is often just plain old good character building. 9 ranger 7 fighter is definitely a gimpish build. The 7th level of fighter really gets you nothing. 12 ranger 8 fighter is only slightly better then 9 ranger 7 fighter atm. 12 ranger gets you +1 to your barkskin over level 11 ranger and level 8 fighter gets you one extra feat really not earth shattering stuff. If I were truely concerned about tempest 2 I would go with 12 ranger 2 barbarian 6 fighter depending on what fighter enhancements look like down the road or 13 ranger 1 rogue 6 fighter.

For that matter if the Op is deadset on fighter/ranger. Go 10 ranger 6 fighter for the 3rd favored enemy.

I would never suggest or recommend "roleplaying" builds to others.

Like I said I am not worried about this build being "gimped" as the 32pt remix will be more along the lines of what you are suggesting.

Stopping at 6 rng / 2 fighter for a while though to consider what will best from 9-20 (may need to re-roll as went Law-Good originally and would rather re run 8 lvls than 16 if Ichoose barbarian over pally etc)

Also there is nothing wrong with splashing it just isn't my thing. And I do understand the pros/cons that you listed for levels splits and splashes etc.

I was just adding my input from a similar build perspective. That it is possible to have an enjoyable/successful character built in a similar way.

*shrug*

[Vizzini]

Gotta say I'm really loving my 6 Ranger / 10 Monk Tempest Windstance

Very fast attacks, with Greater TWF and Jongudlars Collar (For when not hasted) = Very quick and tasty deaths (Vorpal Kama's atm) going to be even nicer when we get GS Fistwraps and the monk unarmed attacks = extra attacks.. Will probably be one of my most enjoyable builds yet!

[SabinSeptor]

ok from what I have seen here are the final options i'm thinking of. Granted they count on lvl 20.

16 ranger/4 fighter - gives twf, imp twf, gtwf, many shot, rapid shot, precise shot, imp precise, evasion, favored enemies, extra feats. The reason for this, the 4 fighter give the extra feats to really gain more options in battle as you need the 3 feats just to get tempest.

6 ranger/14 barb - gives twf, imp twf, many shot, 2 favored enemies, etc etc, but the barb gives rages, crit rage 1 and 2 at lvl cap of 20, and i believe i'll still be able to get gtwf. The downside i see on this build is getting high enough dex for gtwf and still have a nice str.

and last but not least

9 ranger/4 fighter/7 barb - with this one its a bit more tricky, still debating dropping barb lvls to get to lvl 12 on ranger to get the extra favored enemy, +1 to bark, and others.

I appreciate everyones input on twf and what not, but out of these 3, could you guys give me more pros/cons on these specific builds.

[Vizzini]

I don't think you've seen the awsomeness factor of 6 Ranger / 10 Monk yet.. but looks like you have some decent builds there.

If I have a moment of peace around my house maybe I'll post the specs on my build.

ok from what I have seen here are the final options i'm thinking of. Granted they count on lvl 20.

16 ranger/4 fighter - gives twf, imp twf, gtwf, many shot, rapid shot, precise shot, imp precise, evasion, favored enemies, extra feats. The reason for this, the 4 fighter give the extra feats to really gain more options in battle as you need the 3 feats just to get tempest.

6 ranger/14 barb - gives twf, imp twf, many shot, 2 favored enemies, etc etc, but the barb gives rages, crit rage 1 and 2 at lvl cap of 20, and i believe i'll still be able to get gtwf. The downside i see on this build is getting high enough dex for gtwf and still have a nice str.

and last but not least

9 ranger/4 fighter/7 barb - with this one its a bit more tricky, still debating dropping barb lvls to get to lvl 12 on ranger to get the extra favored enemy, +1 to bark, and others.

I appreciate everyones input on twf and what not, but out of these 3, could you guys give me more pros/cons on these specific builds.

[SabinSeptor]

ok from what I have seen here are the final options i'm thinking of. Granted they count on lvl 20.

16 ranger/4 fighter - gives twf, imp twf, gtwf, many shot, rapid shot, precise shot, imp precise, evasion, favored enemies, extra feats. The reason for this, the 4 fighter give the extra feats to really gain more options in battle as you need the 3 feats just to get tempest.

6 ranger/14 barb - gives twf, imp twf, many shot, 2 favored enemies, etc etc, but the barb gives rages, crit rage 1 and 2 at lvl cap of 20, and i believe i'll still be able to get gtwf. The downside i see on this build is getting high enough dex for gtwf and still have a nice str.

and last but not least

9 ranger/4 fighter/7 barb - with this one its a bit more tricky, still debating dropping barb lvls to get to lvl 12 on ranger to get the extra favored enemy, +1 to bark, and others.

I appreciate everyones input on twf and what not, but out of these 3, could you guys give me more pros/cons on these specific builds.

no input on these builds? Come on folks, everyone has an opinion, and no I won't say it stinks. Honestly I do want your opinions.

[maddmatt70]

no input on these builds? Come on folks, everyone has an opinion, and no I won't say it stinks. Honestly I do want your opinions.

Well read Eladrin's recent post on prestige enhancement progression and that should answer alot of your question right there. There is also a post where Eladrin hints at a possible stealth nerf to tempest 1 by giving out attack speed items which don't stack with the tempest attack speed 1 boost. 14 barbarian 6 ranger is still a strong build although it might not be the be all that it could be if the attack speed item comes out. How many fighter levels to have is very difficult to comment on because nobody knows exactly what level the fighter enhancements to weapon specialization and what the fighter prestige enhancements will have and what level they will exactly be although Eladrin basically says nearly all prestige enhancements will be level 6 for tier 1, level 12 for tier 2 and level 18 for tier 3.

I would learn towards the following ranger/ fighter builds 12 ranger/6 fighter/ 2 something else such as monk or barbarian, 12 fighter/6 ranger/ 2 something else 18 ranger/2 something else (which could be just 2 more ranger) or in the alternative the 14 barbarian/6 ranger that you post.

[EKKM]

Gotta say I'm really loving my 6 Ranger / 10 Monk Tempest Windstance

Very fast attacks, with Greater TWF and Jongudlars Collar (For when not hasted) = Very quick and tasty deaths (Vorpal Kama's atm) going to be even nicer when we get GS Fistwraps and the monk unarmed attacks = extra attacks.. Will probably be one of my most enjoyable builds yet!

I don't know where I saw it but a dev recently stated that Greensteel weave wraps are not currently in the works.