whats the best class for wf

[Aesop]

so wf make bad clerics and sorcerers right?

Again it depends on what you are building for. If you want to be a Turn undead and CC heavy cleric... then yes WF would be less adept at it then say a Human or a Drow. If you are more interested in buffing up and plowing into melee... well they can do that pretty well. Its all about how you want to play it.


Aesop

[shadow543256]

Again it depends on what you are building for. If you want to be a Turn undead and CC heavy cleric... then yes WF would be less adept at it then say a Human or a Drow. If you are more interested in buffing up and plowing into melee... well they can do that pretty well. Its all about how you want to play it.


Aesop

so a wf can either be a good cleric or a bad cleric depending on how u have it?

[Aesop]

and the less ac part isnt true cause of mith body and addy body feats when u first make

... sorta... but remember we have tweaky gear like the Delving Suit from the VoN series... that's point for point better than Mithril body and doesn't cost a feat... WF body Feats have a severe cost in many Feat starved builds.


Aesop

[shadow543256]

... sorta... but remember we have tweaky gear like the Delving Suit from the VoN series... that's point for point better than Mithril body and doesn't cost a feat... WF body Feats have a severe cost in many Feat starved builds.


Aesop

oh and the other races can get mith or addy armour and not lose a feat and what part for delving suit

[Aesop]

so a wf can either be a good cleric or a bad cleric depending on how u have it?

If you want the ultimate Caster Cleric you do not want a Warforged as the race


Honestly I'd say start off with either Fighter or Barbarian (cause they are an easy point and click type class) first learn about the strengths and weaknesses of a Warforged then experiment out til you find the balance that fits your playing style and character desire.

Aesop

[Aesop]

oh and the other races can get mith or addy armour and not lose a feat and what part for delving suit

Yep pretty much.

Aesop

[shadow543256]

Honestly I'd say start off with either Fighter or Barbarian (cause they are an easy point and click type class) first learn about the strengths and weaknesses of a Warforged then experiment out til you find the balance that fits your playing style and character desire.

Aesop

actuallyl i think weakness for wf is they cant wear armor but u can get away with addy body on barb without heavy armor feat which is good

[shadow543256]

actuallyl i think weakness for wf is they cant wear armor but u can get away with addy body on barb without heavy armor feat which is good

i think

[Angelus_dead]

and the less ac part isnt true cause of mith body and addy body feats when u first make

We were talking about dex rangers. Dex rangers do not wear armor, nor do they wear armor equivalents like mithral and adamantine body plating. Taking either of those choices would reduce their AC.

What it comes down to is that the warforged dex ranger has armor 2 composite plating + 5 docent = 7, while the elf/halfling is in a robe of AC 6. In terms of armor, the warforged is ahead by 1. But then his dex bonus is -2 below the others, giving him -1 net AC. The halfling has an additional +1 AC from smallness.

That +2 dex differential gives the other races a +2 on their attack rolls, and the elf gets another +2 attack/damage rolls because of racial rapier enhancements. The halfling gets +4 attack/damage when sneak attacking, which is often. Compared to that the warforged has nothing to increase his damage except increased Power Attack, which isn't great because his attack bonus is already lower than the others.

[shadow543256]

We were talking about dex rangers. Dex rangers do not wear armor, nor do they wear armor equivalents like mithral and adamantine body plating. Taking either of those choices would reduce their AC.

What it comes down to is that the warforged dex ranger has armor 2 composite plating + 5 docent = 7, while the elf/halfling is in a robe of AC 6. In terms of armor, the warforged is ahead by 1. But then his dex bonus is -2 below the others, giving him -1 net AC. The halfling has an additional +1 AC from smallness.

That +2 dex differential gives the other races a +2 on their attack rolls, and the elf gets another +2 attack/damage rolls because of racial rapier enhancements. The halfling gets +4 attack/damage when sneak attacking, which is often. Compared to that the warforged has nothing to increase his damage except increased Power Attack, which isn't great because his attack bonus is already lower than the others.

yeah but it all depends on how u have them built so it may be better (and i repeat better) then what u say

[shadow543256]

We were talking about dex rangers. Dex rangers do not wear armor, nor do they wear armor equivalents like mithral and adamantine body plating. Taking either of those choices would reduce their AC.

What it comes down to is that the warforged dex ranger has armor 2 composite plating + 5 docent = 7, while the elf/halfling is in a robe of AC 6. In terms of armor, the warforged is ahead by 1. But then his dex bonus is -2 below the others, giving him -1 net AC. The halfling has an additional +1 AC from smallness.

That +2 dex differential gives the other races a +2 on their attack rolls, and the elf gets another +2 attack/damage rolls because of racial rapier enhancements. The halfling gets +4 attack/damage when sneak attacking, which is often. Compared to that the warforged has nothing to increase his damage except increased Power Attack, which isn't great because his attack bonus is already lower than the others.

plus elves only make good ranegrs cause their con takes a -2 so they dont make greta front line combatants onlike wf who could work well any sorta

[Aesop]

yeah but it all depends on how u have them built so it may be better (and i repeat better) then what u say

Well remember there are optimize builds... those bore me personally but hey some people believe that the only way they can have fun is by having the most uber of all builds.

Really the people you want to talk to are people who play Warforged frequently like Heavymetal and Ghoste... and Ransack I think too.


Hopefully they'll chime in at some point


Aesop

[shadow543256]

Well remember there are optimize builds... those bore me personally but hey some people believe that the only way they can have fun is by having the most uber of all builds.

Really the people you want to talk to are people who play Warforged frequently like Heavymetal and Ghoste... and Ransack I think too.


Hopefully they'll chime in at some point


Aesop

i sorta dont care how wf is built because they are actually best as a brick wall (as in up front guarding every single one who cant take massive hits) to guard so any build would probably actualy work with wf

[Aesop]

plus elves only make good ranegrs cause their con takes a -2 so they dont make greta front line combatants onlike wf who could work well any sorta

hey hey now no picking on my girls... My Long Sword Specced Elven Pal/Fighter is a monster and has smoked many a dual wielding Barb dwarves with Waraxes in terms of survivablity and kill count.

Remember the player is a large part of any of these equations.


Aesop


and goos night I need sleep

[shadow543256]

hey hey now no picking on my girls... My Long Sword Specced Elven Pal/Fighter is a monster and has smoked many a dual wielding Barb dwarves with Waraxes in terms of survivablity and kill count.

Remember the player is a large part of any of these equations.


Aesop

lol srry but im used to that cause only elf i got is a lvl 9 caster that is like snapping a thin twig (if a thin twig can summon and has light armor prof)

[shadow543256]

lol srry but im used to that cause only elf i got is a lvl 9 caster that is like snapping a thin twig (if a thin twig can summon and has light armor prof)

strike that i got a elf ranger but are more like tank then ranger mainly cause most monsters are in their face waiting to be hacked

[Tin_Dragon]

whats the best class for wf? cause i got a wf barb but may remake so wondering if i do remake what class works best

Artificer with a splash of fighter.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Any really.

Wiz are nice for self healing. Sor are ok, but get a Cha penalty.

Brbs are popular. brb PA and WF PA do stack.

I think Ftr are good....but it's based and the fact that repair is a class skill for Ftrs......and no one really cares about that.

I'm not a fan of WF Pal, Clr, Sor, Brd......and maybe even Rgrs, because of the penalty to Wiz and Cha.......but I've seen all the above turn out real well.....and I wave a WF Rgr that I like.

I like my WF Rog as well.....but I like my Drow Rogue a lot better.

Personally, I think you get the most from a WF Wiz......but like I said....all good.

[Aesop]

Artificer with a splash of fighter.

ding that is the correct answer you win the internet


Aesop

[Noctus]

WF are best as Wizards. Their WIS and CHA penaltys dont matter here, and their other drawback, the bad divine healing is in fact turned to a bonus, as they can self-heal with their own repair spells.
While their CON-Bonus makes them less squishy, which is always good for a fragile class.

They also make good Barbarians, as their racial enhancements are really fitting for barbarians. The drawback is that barbarians need much healing and their healing penalty so annoys many clerics (at least before they get the Heal-Spell).