WTT: Mask of Archmagi (SP200)

[iruka41]

Hello guys

http://lh6.ggpht.com/iruka41/SAtNoAw...jpg?imgmax=512

Mask of the Archmagi
Race Required: Warforged (UMD: 22)
Minimum Level: 15
Archmagi: +200 SP (+400 to Sorcerers)

Looking for a Wounding Rapier of Puncturing with this.
If you got one, PM me plz.
I'll wait for a while and see what I can get.

If I get multiple PMs, some spice might work nicely.
Here's some big spice I'm looking for:
- Bloodstone
- Spiked Boots
- Another W+P Rapier lol

Thanks a lot


P.S. for those who are hegitating, let me put some spices too. Assuming I can get one of those spices I need, you can get one of these too

+3 Keen Falchion of Smiting (RR WF)
+1 Wounding Dagger of Puncturing
+2 DEX Tome

[Turial]

Nice item...didnt know that archmagi existed other then on skiver.

[debo]

that's a nice item

[Mindspat]

Bumping for a nice item.

[Melkor_The_Mighty]

Correct me if I am wrong but does anyone really think an Arch-Magi item is superior to a WOP rapier, especially considering the green steel tier effects that can significantly raise spell point pool? I never will value SP that much that I would trade my WOP rapiers away even though I dont use them. I just carry 300 major mana potions around and never worry about low mana pools. I wish you the best of luck in your trade, maybe you'll find a caster that has looted a WOP rapier and never has any designs on using it.

[Gorbadoc]

I agree with Melkor. If I had a w/p rapier but I REALLY wanted more mana instead, I would be better off selling the rapier and spending the money on mana potions. There are two things here: 1) You can't replicate a W/P rapier with potions, and 2) Assuming you're carrying mana potions, you only actually see the difference from the mask when you get to your last 100 mana, whereas you benefit from the W/P rapier constantly.

Don't get me wrong-- it's a really nice item. It just doesn't have that item-for-the-adventurer-who-has-everything appeal of a W/P rapier.

[iruka41]

Correct me if I am wrong but does anyone really think an Arch-Magi item is superior to a WOP rapier, especially considering the green steel tier effects that can significantly raise spell point pool? I never will value SP that much that I would trade my WOP rapiers away even though I dont use them. I just carry 300 major mana potions around and never worry about low mana pools. I wish you the best of luck in your trade, maybe you'll find a caster that has looted a WOP rapier and never has any designs on using it.

You're not wrong at all. Who can be wrong in a marketplace? It's free to place an WTT and get no answer.

One thing though, I personally don't like to make the green steel item with the first option as Wizardry 6.
You can get Wizardry 6, 7, even the Archmagi from some other items.
Why use the precious option slot for an option even worse than non-raid item? To save an item slot?
You can always swap SP items anyways, there's no point.
Just make tier 2 and 3 SP boost, put some other option in the tier 1 slot.

You're carrying 300 Major Mnemonics, good for you. I already got an offer, good for me.

Thanks for your opinion though.
What I think is, W+P Rapier is better than W+P Shotsword, Mask of Archmagi is better than Helm of Wizardry 7,
but there can be no real comparison between the rapier and the mask.
They're just too far from each other.

[iruka41]

I agree with Melkor. If I had a w/p rapier but I REALLY wanted more mana instead, I would be better off selling the rapier and spending the money on mana potions. There are two things here: 1) You can't replicate a W/P rapier with potions, and 2) Assuming you're carrying mana potions, you only actually see the difference from the mask when you get to your last 100 mana, whereas you benefit from the W/P rapier constantly.

Don't get me wrong-- it's a really nice item. It just doesn't have that item-for-the-adventurer-who-has-everything appeal of a W/P rapier.

Well, everyone think differently

1) Even if I REALLY need more SP, I wouldn't sell W+P Rapier to buy pots (which is dropping anytime anywhere).
THAT might be the real Adventurer-who-has-everything.

2) You're not getting benefit from W+P when you're dealing with red named, purple named, golems, undeads, portals, pillars, slimes (yes you can but you won't), and any mobs far from you, etc.
My ranger's using W+P shortsword and a dagger, but I don't say I'm getting constant benefit from them. I use smiters, disruptors, vorpals, transmutors, pure DPSs, depend on situation.
Altogether vs. W+P is around 50/50 in my case. Especially when I'm spending time in Raids more and more.

[Gorbadoc]

You constantly benefit from a W/P rapier in the same sense that you constantly benefit from being able to cast Finger of Death. No, you're not constantly using it, but you're always benefiting from the fact that you're capable of handling certain enemies. You are, in fact, a more powerful character just by having them.

The mask, on the other hand, doesn't make you any more powerful. It just enables you to save yourself a mana potion from time to time. It's kind of like how items that grant acid resistance would actually be worth something if it weren't for the fact that acid protection potions are so cheap and acid protection spells are even cheaper.

I would hope that if someone thought I was making a foolish trade, he or she would have the decency to tell me what was foolish about it. That's all I've done here. It's an objective fact that the utility value of the mask can be no greater than the total cost of the mana potions it saves you from having to use.

That's utility; there are other forms of value, of course, including the fact that the mask is a fun, rare item.

[Melkor_The_Mighty]

You're not wrong at all. Who can be wrong in a marketplace? It's free to place an WTT and get no answer.

I agree, it depends on how much you value certain items above others.

One thing though, I personally don't like to make the green steel item with the first option as Wizardry 6.
You can get Wizardry 6, 7, even the Archmagi from some other items.
Why use the precious option slot for an option even worse than non-raid item? To save an item slot?
You can always swap SP items anyways, there's no point.
Just make tier 2 and 3 SP boost, put some other option in the tier 1 slot.

Again I think along the same lines as you, I would not use ( waste IMHO) a precious tier option to increase my Spell point total, ever. I have a caster with probably the least amount of spell points you ever saw on a pure built and it has never ever bothered or hurt me one bit. Even though I carry a huge amount of Mana pots I find that I rarely have to resort to using them. I also have the torq and becasue I can melee if I want I can turtle up and don all my "please hit me" items (lions belt,bramble casters, consorts bracers curse cloak from necro) and get enough mana back for a few casts. Also I would like to point out from my observations MOST, not all just most casters waste mana with little or no concern other than can they out killl the other caster or melees in the party. My caster in spite of really low mana pool never fails to solo a quest or party quest becasue of mana wasteage. I also dont carry DV's just becasue 99% of caster use it just to self buff themselves and go back to FOD'ing a monster that the melee's already have paralysed, tripped, stunned and down to its last 5% of health.

You're carrying 300 Major Mnemonics, good for you. I already got an offer, good for me.

I am glad you have reicieved an offer, the helm is rare (since it has to be lvl 15 RR) and glad someone has offered you something(s) for it.

Thanks for your opinion though.
What I think is, W+P Rapier is better than W+P Shotsword, Mask of Archmagi is better than Helm of Wizardry 7,
but there can be no real comparison between the rapier and the mask.
They're just too far from each other.

Thats a fair enough statment, sorta the endless comparing of apples and oranges, just sometimes a fresh orange is better than a rotten apple, not saying the helm is rotten, just pointing out that totally different types of items can still be compared to a degree....

Well, everyone think differently

1) Even if I REALLY need more SP, I wouldn't sell W+P Rapier to buy pots (which is dropping anytime anywhere).
THAT might be the real Adventurer-who-has-everything.

I also would never sell an extremely rare item for potions that you can easily buy and or loot. Besides lets say you sold the rapier for 30 milllion gold and the going rate is 75k gold per major pot off the top of my head thats like 275 major potions.

2) You're not getting benefit from W+P when you're dealing with red named, purple named, golems, undeads, portals, pillars, slimes (yes you can but you won't), and any mobs far from you, etc.


Thats entirely correct but noone uses one weapon or spell exclusivley vs all mobs. I doubt anyone has that little expierence that they would abuse a WOP rapier beating on anything in the weapons range. However at lvl 18 elite quests you can chop down some nasty mobs quickly right at the roots. If you want to fell a tree beating on the leaves (hp's) can be an exercise in futility whereas chopping the roots (con damage) can down it in record time.

My ranger's using W+P shortsword and a dagger, but I don't say I'm getting constant benefit from them. I use smiters, disruptors, vorpals, transmutors, pure DPSs, depend on situation.
Altogether vs. W+P is around 50/50 in my case. Especially when I'm spending time in Raids more and more.

You constantly benefit from a W/P rapier in the same sense that you constantly benefit from being able to cast Finger of Death. No, you're not constantly using it, but you're always benefiting from the fact that you're capable of handling certain enemies. You are, in fact, a more powerful character just by having them.

Yeap, the rapier when weilded vs the appropiate mob makes you a more effective melee and thereby a better asset to your group.
Although one could argue the 200-400 more mana makes them a more effective caster since they can get off a few more spells, but I wont make that argument.

The mask, on the other hand, doesn't make you any more powerful. It just enables you to save yourself a mana potion from time to time. It's kind of like how items that grant acid resistance would actually be worth something if it weren't for the fact that acid protection potions are so cheap and acid protection spells are even cheaper.

I would hope that if someone thought I was making a foolish trade, he or she would have the decency to tell me what was foolish about it. That's all I've done here. It's an objective fact that the utility value of the mask can be no greater than the total cost of the mana potions it saves you from having to use.


That's utility; there are other forms of value, of course, including the fact that the mask is a fun, rare item.

Sometimes the things we value most we use the least. Just think of the art in some collectors home or the cars in collectors garages.

[iruka41]

You constantly benefit from a W/P rapier in the same sense that you constantly benefit from being able to cast Finger of Death. No, you're not constantly using it, but you're always benefiting from the fact that you're capable of handling certain enemies. You are, in fact, a more powerful character just by having them.

True, but that's somehow wider definition of 'constant', which can't deny what I've said already. Against undeads, it doesn't matter if you have them or not. You're not more powerful a single bit 'at that moment'. That's the 'constant' I was saying, and there's nothing wrong since we didn't specify the definition of the word 'constant'

The mask, on the other hand, doesn't make you any more powerful. It just enables you to save yourself a mana potion from time to time. It's kind of like how items that grant acid resistance would actually be worth something if it weren't for the fact that acid protection potions are so cheap and acid protection spells are even cheaper.

Makes sense, a little. However if I use your wider version of 'constant' here, you can get benefit from those extra SP by having ability to cast more spells at any time. Moreover, the mask doesn't prevent you from drinking pots so that it shouldn't be 'instead you can drink' but it should be 'in addition you can drink too'.

I would hope that if someone thought I was making a foolish trade, he or she would have the decency to tell me what was foolish about it. That's all I've done here. It's an objective fact that the utility value of the mask can be no greater than the total cost of the mana potions it saves you from having to use.

That's utility; there are other forms of value, of course, including the fact that the mask is a fun, rare item.

The objective fact is, 1) the pot disappears, while the item lasts. 2) you can get endless SP if you have enough pots left, while the item only can give you fixed amount between each shrines.

1) and 2), that's pros and cons IMO. The item can be more economical while enough pots can be more powerful. It depends on the situation, but another objective fact here is that if you have the item AND pots, that's economical and powerful.

Thanks for your comments, even the 'foolish trade' statement. I feel quite foolish now.

[Jondallar]

Just to weigh in the debate of pots vs. item...

Crafting a tier 2 item is relatively easy and cheap unless possibly you are playing your first and only character, then you might not have the cash to buy all the ingr. or maybe you cant get an invite to do the shroud because you are only a lvl 15 caster and you arent in a guild. Otherwise it is way way easier to aquire the 200/400sorc sp item as shroud loot compared to a w/p rapier. I hate to devalue the OP's item, but really in the day of overpowered craft items, archmagi items are merely a novelty, unless of course you are in a guild/have a character called Archmagi (there is such a guild on Argo) ... then it is priceless

[Jondallar]

As for buying pots with sales from a w/p rapier...

there is a saying "A fool and his money are soon parted"

You could buy a ****load of pots for a w/p rapier though

[iruka41]

I also have the torq and becasue I can melee if I want I can turtle up and don all my "please hit me" items (lions belt,bramble casters, consorts bracers curse cloak from necro) and get enough mana back for a few casts.

That is why those HP/SP regen items are far more precious than simple SP item.
I would gladly give away my mask if someone offers me those sort of items. Who wouldn't?
(Couse they're bound, too bad so sad)

On my caster, I'm ready to finish my Green Steel (HP+45, HP/SP Regen on being hit) and that's the same reason as above.
High HP is important than high SP, Regeneration is even more important than both once you hit some HP/SP level.
(Yeah my caster does melee too, I speced her in that way from begining.)
But that's just a whole different story. Not everyone has 'lines' of those regen items, which is more higher grade.

It's true that a good caster can shine even with low SP, and it's true too that he/she can be more shiny with extra SP.
Is it worth a W+P? Well, someone thinks so, and there's nothing foolish in it.

[wyldwolf]

Correct me if I am wrong but does anyone really think an Arch-Magi item is superior to a WOP rapier, especially considering the green steel tier effects that can significantly raise spell point pool? I never will value SP that much that I would trade my WOP rapiers away even though I dont use them. I just carry 300 major mana potions around and never worry about low mana pools. I wish you the best of luck in your trade, maybe you'll find a caster that has looted a WOP rapier and never has any designs on using it.

Im gonna quote Ash on this on: "Well hello Mister Fancypants." About the 300 pots :P
Though I have a seeker +8 rapier of puncture (Which, if Im not mistaken trumps the +5 from a bloodstone...) And I cant trade it to save my life... Even put it on the AH for 20k plat and didnt sell it...

(Coming from a semi broke cleric!)

[Venar]

Hey, more SP is more SP, and on a sorc it's still 100 more then wiz 6.
So, with an archmagi item, you could skip the tier 1 effect indeed.

But, problem is:

1- It's a helm. Minos Legend just cannot be swaped out.
2- It's RR warforged
3- There is just no other cool tier 1 effect for casters.

[Twerpp]

Hey man, if you still have it Im interested for my cleric. I dont have a W of P rapier but will make a good trade. Most of my stuff is listed here

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=146891

[Aspenor]

As for buying pots with sales from a w/p rapier...

there is a saying "A fool and his money are soon parted"

You could buy a ****load of pots for a w/p rapier though

Heck yeah. I don't know about you guys but on mine and Jond's server, a w/p rapier plat value is somewhere in the nature of 5-8 million platinum pieces.

Of course that's just a guess because NOBODY sells them for platinum.

[Melkor_The_Mighty]

Im gonna quote Ash on this on: "Well hello Mister Fancypants." About the 300 pots :P
Though I have a seeker +8 rapier of puncture (Which, if Im not mistaken trumps the +5 from a bloodstone...) And I cant trade it to save my life... Even put it on the AH for 20k plat and didnt sell it...

Actually have 368 on my cleric and 132 on my paly and 100+ on my no mana fighter.. Bloodstone seeker is +6, and the reason you cant trade your rapier is becasue its NOT wounding of puncturing sure seeker +8 is greater than seeker +6 but NOT when its on weapon, all that the seeker on the weapon does is add 16 points of damage when you crit, and add the +8 to crit confim. The one you have is decent but pales in comparison to a WOP rapier.

(Coming from a semi broke cleric!)

Players are broke by choice not chance.

Heck yeah. I don't know about you guys but on mine and Jond's server, a w/p rapier plat value is somewhere in the nature of 5-8 million platinum pieces.

Of course that's just a guess because NOBODY sells them for platinum.

Wonder what I can get for my +3 adman WOP rapier on Argon.. not that my cleric would ever give it up, it looks beautiful collecting dust in the bank.

[iruka41]

Wonder what I can get for my +3 adman WOP rapier on Argon.. not that my cleric would ever give it up, it looks beautiful collecting dust in the bank.

It seems like a lot of WoPs are just collecting dust in the bank here and there. (One of my guildies have 2 in his bank, not using it, so I'm thinking of making an offer to him too.)