Hammer and Tongs (A build by request)

[Thescalybard]

I rolled out a slightly different version of this build, using the hammers for stunning, but switched to dwarven axes (mostly because I've come across some nice ones lately). After running a few quests, my guildies started calling it "The Chef." I asked him why, and he said, "Because first you tenderize (stun) them with the hammer, then ya cut 'em up like a roast!"

Can't argue with that, I suppose. Thanks for posting the build, might try the actual build someday down the line.

[sigtrent]

I rolled out a slightly different version of this build, using the hammers for stunning, but switched to dwarven axes (mostly because I've come across some nice ones lately). After running a few quests, my guildies started calling it "The Chef." I asked him why, and he said, "Because first you tenderize (stun) them with the hammer, then ya cut 'em up like a roast!"

Can't argue with that, I suppose. Thanks for posting the build, might try the actual build someday down the line.

Cool. I've seen a few builds a lot like this one, and was playing with a hammer/dwarven axe stunner in my guild the other day. He was very effective. I think the hammers&Axes plan is a good one and with quick draw you can swap pretty fast if you want to go all hammer then all axe once stunned.

I just rolled up a hammer half orc kensei that just goes for all hammers all the time and is using high strength instead of the extra dwarven tactics enhancements. I just love stunning blow, its DPS and crowd control rolled into one, but it does take some dedication to make it work consistently.

[Roaringdragon]

sigtrent, is this still a good build even at 2011? You could try to update it once in a while, other then that, I think its a great build.

[Culindar]

Realizing this is an old build, I wanted to give it a go as a Hammer/DWA version using a 32 pt build with a +3 Supreme Tome at level 11. Because Imp TWF and Greater TWF had to wait, there was a little re-ordering of the feat progression, but the end result was the same. In the planner, I tried to distribute ranks between jump, balance and intimidate. This may get adjusted as I go.

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Grabthars Hammer
Level 25 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 537
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 12
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    28
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         10                    13
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               3                    21
Bluff                -2                     7
Concentration         4                    14
Diplomacy            -2                     7
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                     4
Heal                 -1                     5
Hide                  3                     9
Intimidate            0                    30
Jump                  7                    26
Listen               -1                     5
Move Silently         3                     9
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     6
Search                0                     8
Spot                 -1                     5
Swim                  3                    14
Tumble                4                    11
Use Magic Device     n/a                    4

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Warhammer Specialization I


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics III


Level 21 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 22 (Fighter)


Level 23 (Fighter)


Level 24 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bulwark of Defense


Level 25 (Fighter)

[unbongwah]

Have a look at this build. IMHO, there's not much point in splitting your focus anymore; either go for hammers / Mornh or stick with (duergar) d.axes

[Culindar]

Have a look at this build. IMHO, there's not much point in splitting your focus anymore; either go for hammers / Mornh or stick with (duergar) d.axes

I like the Mornh, thanks. But I think, rather than scrapping the build to redesign and build for a weapon I can't even use until level 23, I will continue down this road and do a lesser resurrection when I get the hammer.

One of my guildies suggested that OTWF is kinda a wasted feat, that I might be better served by taking improved trip or sunder instead.

[unbongwah]

There have been a couple of key changes which have nerfed this build since it was first made: namely Stunning Blow / helplessness only provide +50% dmg rather than free auto-crits (bye-bye massive heavy pick DPS vs stunned mobs ); and +Stunning is now available on non-blunt weapons at higher lvls, so you don't have to equip a warhammer to get it, so why invest 3 feats into blunt weapons you don't need? Better to pick a weapon type, stick with it, and use those extra feats to pick up CL/GC/Overwhelming Crit, IMHO.

Also, if you're planning on +3 Supreme tome, you don't need so much base DEX. In fact, if you can spare a +1 DEX tome early, you could do something like this:

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Level 25 True Neutral Dwarf Female
(20 Fighter \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 512
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 9
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             18                    30
Dexterity            14                    17
Constitution         17                    21
Intelligence         10                    13
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 23

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 21 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Fighter)


Level 23 (Fighter)


Level 24 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Fighter)

You can use a Stunning warhammer in your offhand while leveling, then swap it for another d.axe w/Stunning later. If you LR into hammer Kensei for Mornh someday, naturally you'd swap Slash feats for Blunt.

[Culindar]

The build is based on the character's name, Grabthars Hammer (homage to the movie Galaxy Quest.) I know the enhancements for dwarven fighters are slanted towards axes, but why have a toon named Hammer that doesn't wield hammers?? So with unbongwah's help, I think I can put this build forward as a better plan than the first.

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Grabthars Hammer
Level 25 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 512
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 9
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             18                    30
Dexterity            14                    17
Constitution         17                    21
Intelligence         10                    13
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 23

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               2                    23
Bluff                -2                     7
Concentration         3                    13
Diplomacy            -2                     7
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                     4
Heal                 -1                     5
Hide                  2                     8
Intimidate            2                    24
Jump                  6                    26
Listen               -1                     5
Move Silently         2                     8
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     6
Search                0                     8
Spot                 -1                     5
Swim                  4                    15
Tumble                3                     9
Use Magic Device     n/a                    4

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Warhammer Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precision
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Warhammer Specialization II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics III
Enhancement: Kensei Warhammer Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I


Level 21 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Fighter)


Level 23 (Fighter)


Level 24 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Fighter)

[pappo]

[QUOTE=Culindar;4881184]

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV

QUOTE]

Why do you take Quick Draw, at level 10, on this toon ? Isn't Quick Draw just for ranged weapons ?

[unbongwah]

Why do you take Quick Draw, at level 10, on this toon ? Isn't Quick Draw just for ranged weapons ?

QD also reduces the delay on Action Boosts to help max out your burst DPS. It's more useful to HEs & humans who have Haste Boost + Dmg Boost (Versatility), though.

[pappo]

QD also reduces the delay on Action Boosts to help max out your burst DPS. It's more useful to HEs & humans who have Haste Boost + Dmg Boost (Versatility), though.

Unbongwah - Thanks. that is good information to know.

[Eth]

QD also reduces the delay on Action Boosts to help max out your burst DPS. It's more useful to HEs & humans who have Haste Boost + Dmg Boost (Versatility), though.

Why not just use cleave or great cleave after you activated your boost?

[unbongwah]

Why not just use cleave or great cleave after you activated your boost?

That's an option too. By the time you get to epics, the idea would be to do something like "Power Surge -> Dmg Boost (from Versatility, so HE/human-only) -> Haste Boost -> Lay Waste -> Momentum Swing -> Great Cleave -> Cleave" when you really need to put the hurt on.

[Sonos]

One or a couple of these would be sweet for this build too no?



9-90 dmg on crit PLUS seeker +10 and red slot. mmmm