Free Transfers Available to Orien and Sarlona February 8th-28th

In recent months we have been working to investigate and resolve issues surrounding character transfers to several game worlds, and we are happy to say that we have resolved these issues! We want to give players who have been waiting to transfer to Orien and Sarlona the opportunity to do so in the coming weeks.

Starting after our weekly maintenance on Wednesday, February 8th, character transfers to Orien and Sarlona ONLY will be free through February 28th. Free transfers to Orien and Sarlona will remain available until we bring the game worlds down for weekly maintenance on March 1st.

To learn more about world transfers, read our article on DDO.com:https://www.ddo.com/guides/ddo-transfer-guide

Of Important Note:

• Please note that the following things do NOT transfer with you to your destination world:
  
  • Your Friends list
  • Your /Ignore list
  • Your Guild name, level, airship, amenities, membership ranks, or other guild-related benefits. You will appear in the new world guildless.
  • Items in your Reincarnation Cache
  • Items bid on or posted to the Auction Houses
  • In-game mail
  • Shared Account Bank and Crafting Storage items
  • Your Astral Shard balance
  • Your Creature Companion Stable
  • Your Mount Stable
  
  
  
• You cannot be the Leader of a Guild and transfer your character from one world to another. If necessary, please promote a successor or other guild member to Leader, or disband your guild, prior to undergoing a character transfer from one live game world to another. Guild leaders will not display in the Character Transfer UI.
• You cannot be logged into the game world while undergoing a character transfer. If you are, you will be kicked from the game world and receive an erroneous “ban” message. You aren’t banned.
• It is possible to transfer back to your original game world after transferring to a different world, but your original guild, airship, True Reincarnation cache, and in-game mail is not preserved.
• If your name is being used on the world you are transferring to, your name will be appended with a -1 and you will be granted a one-time free rename credit. While logged into the character you wish to change the name of, type /changename (new name) into the chat panel to change your name.

Thank you!

Will be interesting to see how much is left of my server after this.

Armament of Shadows on Orien will gladly take anyone who wants to run r10's and higher reaper raids ;) End-Game Guild, come one come all. Might aswell make the most of the opportunity to do a bit of recruiting :P PM Ronko or Rontank in-game or through mailbox if not available.

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Armament of Shadows on Orien will gladly take anyone who wants to run r10's and higher reaper raids ;) End-Game Guild, come one come all. Might aswell make the most of the opportunity to do a bit of recruiting :P PM Ronko or Rontank in-game or through mailbox if not available.

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there will be maaaany players from all the other servers move to orien imo.

me and a friend wanted to move to argo this month, but not orien will it be, free and with many chars. So Orien will get a real push with high reaper longtime players i think.
i will just wait the first days of the free transfers and watch how the playernumbers will change, before i leave cannith

would like to know how many endgame highend players will move too .... :D

So whats the new mega server going to be? Orien or Sarlona? :rolleyes:

Cordovan,

So absolute zero reply to the concerns raised over this?

Players on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can move goodies from all the other servers freely to their own server.

Guilds on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can recruit people from other servers for free. We have already seen the first recruitment post in this thread and more will surely follow. I wonder why...

This is bloody insanity! Do you have no regard for the players and guilds on the other servers?

The rest I can understand, but you don't get to keep your mounts, pets and astral shards?!

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

In recent months we have been working to investigate and resolve issues surrounding character transfers to several game worlds, and we are happy to say that we have resolved these issues! We want to give players who have been waiting to transfer to Orien and Sarlona the opportunity to do so in the coming weeks.

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Several game worlds were impacted but only Orien and Sarlona are getting free transfers as destination worlds? Will you be rotating through others in the near future? Notably Argo where I and many of my friends had issues transferring to at the end of last hardcore season.

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Originally Posted by Madja

The rest I can understand, but you don't get to keep your mounts, pets and astral shards?!

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No, those are server specific. Some mounts and pets you likely have on all servers though if you got them from buying an xpac.

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Originally Posted by Madja

The rest I can understand, but you don't get to keep your mounts, pets and astral shards?!

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That's the way it's always been on any transfer. It would be nice if they had the resources to update the transfer tech to allow for it (and also keeping your guild/airship, etc.)

And, to remark on other comments in the thread, all I will say is that it will be nice to move my old HCL chars home to Orien finally, tho I do understand the concerns about suddenly losing players on their own servers. I'll personally be surprised if there's a mass exodus from any other server to Orien or Sarlona *because* of how much we lose when we transfer servers. I suppose if there's a big endgame guild with more money than sense decides to wholesale jump ship, but the loss of all guild stuff (airship, amenities, perks, etc.) would be a big detriment to the notion.

Way too early to, as the kobold gem says, "Panic!"

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Originally Posted by Crell_1

Several game worlds were impacted but only Orien and Sarlona are getting free transfers as destination worlds? Will you be rotating through others in the near future? Notably Argo where I and many of my friends had issues transferring to at the end of last hardcore season.

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There were several other worlds briefly impacted, but by that point it was widely understood that transfers were not functioning, and we had not committed to a free transfer period to those other worlds. Orien and Sarlona had extended issues that prompted us to make this plan in November as a workaround, and that is what we are doing here, now that transfer issues have been resolved.

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Originally Posted by druidsfireddo

That's the way it's always been on any transfer. It would be nice if they had the resources to update the transfer tech to allow for it (and also keeping your guild/airship, etc.)

And, to remark on other comments in the thread, all I will say is that it will be nice to move my old HCL chars home to Orien finally, tho I do understand the concerns about suddenly losing players on their own servers. I'll personally be surprised if there's a mass exodus from any other server to Orien or Sarlona *because* of how much we lose when we transfer servers. I suppose if there's a big endgame guild with more money than sense decides to wholesale jump ship, but the loss of all guild stuff (airship, amenities, perks, etc.) would be a big detriment to the notion.

Way too early to, as the kobold gem says, "Panic!"

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Leveling up a guild ship doesn’t even take that long. Death Smile gets to like level 150 every hardcore season, even the short seasons. And everyone pooling shards together, getting the big airship isn’t unobtainable.

A lot of end game players on Ghallanda are considering moving. Just where to is the question.

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Originally Posted by druidsfireddo

That's the way it's always been on any transfer. It would be nice if they had the resources to update the transfer tech to allow for it (and also keeping your guild/airship, etc.)

And, to remark on other comments in the thread, all I will say is that it will be nice to move my old HCL chars home to Orien finally, tho I do understand the concerns about suddenly losing players on their own servers. I'll personally be surprised if there's a mass exodus from any other server to Orien or Sarlona *because* of how much we lose when we transfer servers. I suppose if there's a big endgame guild with more money than sense decides to wholesale jump ship, but the loss of all guild stuff (airship, amenities, perks, etc.) would be a big detriment to the notion.

Way too early to, as the kobold gem says, "Panic!"

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I certainly understand why it will be nice to get the HCL characters home, finally.

As for losing stuff on xfer. Pets and Mounts may matter to some but many are from xpacs you get on any server and most others are easy enough to get again - if those even matter for you. For me they dont but I am not xferring. Note the guild recruitment post above - if you move servers to join a new guild there is no loss of airship. That leaves only the loss of shards but for most people with many shards that is likely more than offset by getting 50+ free xp pots by xferring goodies from all servers.

So, for those without a happy guild on the current server - is there really a loss? I think you are overstating the loss and understating the gains by a good margin :)

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

There were several other worlds briefly impacted, but by that point it was widely understood that transfers were not functioning, and we had not committed to a free transfer period to those other worlds. Orien and Sarlona had extended issues that prompted us to make this plan in November as a workaround, and that is what we are doing here, now that transfer issues have been resolved.

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That is very understandable and obviously those HCL characters need to be able to transfer.

But why entirely ignore the other concerns being raised that are caused by this free tranfer window? Atleast acknowledge the issues at hand.

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Originally Posted by Sirea

A lot of end game players on Ghallanda are considering moving. Just where to is the question.

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Heard from one more guild today that will probably be moving. It's gonna suck...

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

In recent months we have been working to investigate and resolve issues surrounding character transfers to several game worlds, and we are happy to say that we have resolved these issues! We want to give players who have been waiting to transfer to Orien and Sarlona the opportunity to do so in the coming weeks.

Starting after our weekly maintenance on Wednesday, February 8th, character transfers to Orien and Sarlona ONLY will be free through February 28th. Free transfers to Orien and Sarlona will remain available until we bring the game worlds down for weekly maintenance on March 1st.

To learn more about world transfers, read our article on DDO.com:https://www.ddo.com/guides/ddo-transfer-guide

Of Important Note:

• Please note that the following things do NOT transfer with you to your destination world:
  
  • Your Friends list
  • Your /Ignore list
  • Your Guild name, level, airship, amenities, membership ranks, or other guild-related benefits. You will appear in the new world guildless.
  • Items in your Reincarnation Cache
  • Items bid on or posted to the Auction Houses
  • In-game mail
  • Shared Account Bank and Crafting Storage items
  • Your Astral Shard balance
  • Your Creature Companion Stable
  • Your Mount Stable
  
  
  
• You cannot be the Leader of a Guild and transfer your character from one world to another. If necessary, please promote a successor or other guild member to Leader, or disband your guild, prior to undergoing a character transfer from one live game world to another. Guild leaders will not display in the Character Transfer UI.
• You cannot be logged into the game world while undergoing a character transfer. If you are, you will be kicked from the game world and receive an erroneous “ban” message. You aren’t banned.
• It is possible to transfer back to your original game world after transferring to a different world, but your original guild, airship, True Reincarnation cache, and in-game mail is not preserved.
• If your name is being used on the world you are transferring to, your name will be appended with a -1 and you will be granted a one-time free rename credit. While logged into the character you wish to change the name of, type /changename (new name) into the chat panel to change your name.

Thank you!

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BRAVO......ty .......just hope isnt too late to convince my son and his 3 mates to finally transfer their toons ..........just thought on the other servers affected but are disqualified to transfer that isnt fair i know tons o player who never have or even know theres a fourm site

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Originally Posted by superevbully

BRAVO......ty .......just hope isnt too late to convince my son and his 3 mates to finally transfer their toons ..........just thought on the other servers affected but are disqualified to transfer that isnt fair i know tons o player who never have or even know theres a fourm site

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Oh, c'mon, video games have had official sites and forums for decades. :)

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Originally Posted by mikarddo

Cordovan,

So absolute zero reply to the concerns raised over this?

Players on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can move goodies from all the other servers freely to their own server.

Guilds on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can recruit people from other servers for free. We have already seen the first recruitment post in this thread and more will surely follow. I wonder why...

This is bloody insanity! Do you have no regard for the players and guilds on the other servers?

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Perhaps you should join us in moving to Sarlona. Bring over your mains along with your characters that have the freebies and you too can unite them. Bring your guildies with you and then you can also make or join a new guild and recruit the other people transferring.

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Originally Posted by druidsfireddo

Oh, c'mon, video games have had official sites and forums for decades. :)

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u know how many memebers of my guild are a decade older than i and im in my late 40s ..........let alone never having played other games ...come man lol

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Originally Posted by mikarddo

Cordovan,

So absolute zero reply to the concerns raised over this?

Players on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can move goodies from all the other servers freely to their own server.

Guilds on Orion and Sarlona are getting a massive advantage from this as they can recruit people from other servers for free. We have already seen the first recruitment post in this thread and more will surely follow. I wonder why...

This is bloody insanity! Do you have no regard for the players and guilds on the other servers?

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1) It's spelled Orien. And our players were promised that we would be able to get our hardcore characters over. It is not our problem that SSG has no way to limit transfers to just HC6 and 7 characters.

2) If you need a paywall to keep players trapped on your server, and fear that people will leave for greener pastures the moment they can do so for free, then you might want to think about what makes it worthwhile to play on your server. What type of atmosphere does the server have, and what is the player community like? What you wrote and the way you wrote it would make me question the wisdom of picking Ghallanda.

3) Orien currently has no guilds with the reputation of something like Lava Divers on Khyber. We lost a lot of end-game players to Khyber and Argo over the past few years. The grass isn't necessarily greener on either Orien or Sarlona.

(edit to remove typo)

My friends and I have been waiting for this opportunity for a while!

bye bye khyber

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Originally Posted by superevbully

u know how many memebers of my guild are a decade older than i and im in my late 40s ..........let alone never having played other games ...come man lol

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*chuckles* I'm older than you, mate. Just applying some common sense here. :D

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Originally Posted by Dandonk

Heard from one more guild today that will probably be moving. It's gonna suck...

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Only for those left behind.

Don't be one of those people.

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

2) If you need a paywall to keep players trapped on your server, and fear that people will leave for greener pastures the moment they can do so for free, then you might want to think about what makes it worthwhile to play on your server. What type of atmosphere does the server have, and what is the player community like? What you wrote and the way you wrote it would make me question the wisdom of picking Ghallanda.

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I think you missed the point.

For example one of the fairness concerns is that players on Sarlona and Orien can move over mules who had a year of free gold roles for free because the transfer is not limited to characters that originally came from HC. Players on other servers who may have been accumulating rolls to see if it worth transferring to their home server get no such benefit. An open transfer to any server will eliminate this special favor to players on those 2 servers.

Personally, I don't care, but these are the types of things that SSG needs to be better at handling when they rush out changes and work-arounds for broken systems. If the resolution greatly benefits some players over others then it creates ill will that SSG cannot really afford.

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Originally Posted by Sirea

Leveling up a guild ship doesn’t even take that long. Death Smile gets to like level 150 every hardcore season, even the short seasons. And everyone pooling shards together, getting the big airship isn’t unobtainable.

A lot of end game players on Ghallanda are considering moving. Just where to is the question.

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Right around 150 in the full seasons, but not in the short seasons, I doubt it will be 120 this season. That is with a capped guild the entire time and saga rewards going to the guild.

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No, insignificant points simply don't matter to me. The last time I checked, DDO is a Player vs Enemy game, where the main advantage is from grinding past lives.

The person i quoted claimed players on Orien and Sarlona would get a "massive advantage". Most of the gold roll transfer items are fluff. Some XP and discovery potions are not going to give anyone on Orien or Sarlona anything game-breaking. I've never subscribed, but from what I see people post from their gold rolls, you could replace a year of the useful items from gold rolls with a few hundred bucks in the store.

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Originally Posted by superevbully

u know how many memebers of my guild are a decade older than i and im in my late 40s ..........let alone never having played other games ...come man lol

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50's? That's just kids, and I have been on and kicked off game forums going back to last century.

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Originally Posted by Sylvado

50's? That's just kids, and I have been on and kicked off game forums going back to last century.

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Game forums? Some of us go back to Usenet newsgroups.

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

Game forums? Some of us go back to Usenet newsgroups.

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Wildcat BBS

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

2) If you need a paywall to keep players trapped on your server, and fear that people will leave for greener pastures the moment they can do so for free, then you might want to think about what makes it worthwhile to play on your server. What type of atmosphere does the server have, and what is the player community like? What you wrote and the way you wrote it would make me question the wisdom of picking Ghallanda.

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I am not sure how you can possibly read that into my posts but I obviously better clarify.

I like G-land and I am very happy with my guild. I dont see anything wrong with Gland that isnt very likely similarly an issue with the other servers as well - namely too low population. So, I dont really think the servers except for Wayfinder are that different.

But every server is likely to have some people that are less than happy and thus ready to try something else for whatever reason. When those people get a chance at the same time but only with 2 out of 7 servers as possible destinations you are likely to get an influx of players on those two servers. Not because those servers are better or worse but because they are available. Even worse - more players will see the likelihood of these two servers getting a larger population and want to be part of that nomatter what server it would be on.

If all 7 servers were available things would be in balance, as I have posted several times before, so this has absolutely nothing to do with a particular server not being a good place or another server being a great place. It is entirely about availability.

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

No, insignificant points simply don't matter to me. The last time I checked, DDO is a Player vs Enemy game, where the main advantage is from grinding past lives.

The person i quoted claimed players on Orien and Sarlona would get a "massive advantage". Most of the gold roll transfer items are fluff. Some XP and discovery potions are not going to give anyone on Orien or Sarlona anything game-breaking. I've never subscribed, but from what I see people post from their gold rolls, you could replace a year of the useful items from gold rolls with a few hundred bucks in the store.

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If 77 xp pots + various other items are "fluff" to you I have a feeling you might belong to a tiny minority. If you find a "few hundred bucks" to be insignificant that only reinforced that feeling.

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

No, insignificant points simply don't matter to me. The last time I checked, DDO is a Player vs Enemy game, where the main advantage is from grinding past lives.

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I like how you call it an insignificant point but don't address that you completely made up a false claim about the other poster was trying to say. It's "insignificance" does not change the fact that you mis read the other posters point.

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Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte

The person i quoted claimed players on Orien and Sarlona would get a "massive advantage". Most of the gold roll transfer items are fluff. Some XP and discovery potions are not going to give anyone on Orien or Sarlona anything game-breaking. I've never subscribed, but from what I see people post from their gold rolls, you could replace a year of the useful items from gold rolls with a few hundred bucks in the store.

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Odd, that they are fluff that provide no advantage because they can be replaced with a few hundred bucks. Most people would call a few hundred bucks rather significant.

I don't think the point that the other poster had was that Sarlona and Orien shouldn't get the free the transfer but that all servers should get the free transfers to keep it "fair". I am not certain what your point was other than the desire to attack and dismiss other posters.

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

There were several other worlds briefly impacted, but by that point it was widely understood that transfers were not functioning, and we had not committed to a free transfer period to those other worlds. Orien and Sarlona had extended issues that prompted us to make this plan in November as a workaround, and that is what we are doing here, now that transfer issues have been resolved.

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Briefly is a relative term. The issue is that these were characters we couldn't move out of HC to Argo/other homeworld. HC had a finite end-delete date, and we were told ensure we got our characters off HC before the end. I don't particularly want to move to Orien or Sarlona just to put my characters in one single place.

The transfer issue wasn't able to be fixed before the season ended and thus impacted all users. Personally I tried for weeks to transfer some of those characters off with no luck. The thought of paying to move them at all irks me. It doesn't generate good will. The potential financial impact should be limited by the small window.

Transferring out to either of those worlds isn't what I want to do but it seems the best option in light of the current policy.

If it didn't generate too much work and you had the information on file to determine where the character was created, perhaps you could have users file it to be done manually for free via tickets and support doing it with the tooling on their side? Only those characters created on HC would be moved for free, any other characters would be subject to the normal transfer restrictions.

Plenty of people probably wouldn't go through the hassle of doing the support ticket at all if that was the only route I suspect.

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Originally Posted by ahpook

I think you missed the point.

For example one of the fairness concerns is that players on Sarlona and Orien can move over mules who had a year of free gold roles for free because the transfer is not limited to characters that originally came from HC. Players on other servers who may have been accumulating rolls to see if it worth transferring to their home server get no such benefit. An open transfer to any server will eliminate this special favor to players on those 2 servers.

Personally, I don't care, but these are the types of things that SSG needs to be better at handling when they rush out changes and work-arounds for broken systems. If the resolution greatly benefits some players over others then it creates ill will that SSG cannot really afford.

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Step 1) Move mules from all servers to Orien with all the high value stuff you want to move.
Step 2) consolidate it as much as possible onto a maxxed out storage toon (buy additional bank/backpack space as necessary)
Step 3) Pay for 1 transfer to your main server with all the ddo store points you have been sitting on forever.

Thats my plan anyway. I have NO intention of leaving my home server. But hey, that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Phoenicis

Step 1) Move mules from all servers to Orien with all the high value stuff you want to move.
Step 2) consolidate it as much as possible onto a maxxed out storage toon (buy additional bank/backpack space as necessary)
Step 3) Pay for 1 transfer to your main server with all the ddo store points you have been sitting on forever.

Thats my plan anyway. I have NO intention of leaving my home server. But hey, that's just me.

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Thats a solid plan. Not as good as SSG just opening up free transfers for a week to all servers (call it the anniversary party) but nice as a backup. Now can you add me a step that has me go back in time and roll those free gold rolls on all the servers :). I seemed to have missed that part of the plan :(

Just be warned transferring servers may permanently lock your monster manuals and SSG wont help you.

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Originally Posted by Crell_1

If it didn't generate too much work and you had the information on file to determine where the character was created, perhaps you could have users file it to be done manually for free via tickets and support doing it with the tooling on their side? Only those characters created on HC would be moved for free, any other characters would be subject to the normal transfer restrictions.

Plenty of people probably wouldn't go through the hassle of doing the support ticket at all if that was the only route I suspect.

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And plenty of people would. This would be an unnecessary burden on CS and take them away from significantly far more important issues and tickets to address, such as restoring account access. If they'd gone this route, I'd hate to be in their ticket queue.

As it stands, while not the most perfect option, it's prolly the only one they had time/resources to implement. I imagine they have their reasons for why they didn't do any of the other hypothetical plans that look good on paper but just weren't in the time or resource budget to enact in the amount of time they had to implement a fix.

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Step 1) Move mules from all servers to Orien with all the high value stuff you want to move.
Step 2) consolidate it as much as possible onto a maxxed out storage toon (buy additional bank/backpack space as necessary)
Step 3) Pay for 1 transfer to your main server with all the ddo store points you have been sitting on forever.

Thats my plan anyway. I have NO intention of leaving my home server. But hey, that's just me.

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This is my plan exactly as well. The only thing different is that I will move all my stuff to Sarlona from all the other servers that doesn’t fit on my transfer toon to Khyber, just in case I do wind up on Sarlona one day. Or if Sarlona does become some sort of amazing mega population server, then maybe I’ll transfer one of my characters over to it. Plus Voodu is there! That guy cracks me up!

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Originally Posted by Kelledren

This is my plan exactly as well. The only thing different is that I will move all my stuff to Sarlona from all the other servers that doesn’t fit on my transfer toon to Khyber, just in case I do wind up on Sarlona one day. Or if Sarlona does become some sort of amazing mega population server, then maybe I’ll transfer one of my characters over to it. Plus Voodu is there! That guy cracks me up!

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Yeah, their guild hosts a Halloween event every year that's super fun. Trivia, costume contest, trick-or-treating. Plus their occasional summer teaching raids. Presumably other servers have their own Big Guilds that Do Events, but. That's the one I know.

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Originally Posted by Sylvado

Wildcat BBS

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MOM! Don't pick up the phone!!!

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Originally Posted by Villefere

Just be warned transferring servers may permanently lock your monster manuals and SSG wont help you.

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Link to where it says that for the official point of view, or quit with the unfounded rumour mongering.

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Link to where it says that for the official point of view, or quit with the unfounded rumour mongering.

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Also you should know do not transfer on a Thursday (breaks your moms back) and never ever transfer after midnight!!!

If anyone that is coming to Orien wants a massive (and totally awesome) guild with active chat and raffles and high tolerance (free speech and whatnot), then let me know! The Wildcats lets anyone in, does weekly raids, weekly raffles, and a bunch of other stuff. It is largest guild on server and has all officers.

The original Brotherhood WELCOMES players of all skill types and play styles. If looking for higher reaper grouping or raids we love to help people get their wings. home of some of the strongest players on Orien but not elitist or zerg monsters types. known for our random raid days {i don't like scheduled times random is more fun :) } for invite hit myslef Songswrath Tinytimm or Drexnan or any other player within guild.

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Wildcat BBS

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Fidonet BBS Here

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Also you should know do not transfer on a Thursday (breaks your moms back) and never ever transfer after midnight!!!

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well... it´s always before and after midnight.

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Originally Posted by Mindos

MOM! Don't pick up the phone!!!

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What? You didn't have a dedicated phone line to run a BBS?

Lol it was "widely understood transfers weren't working" so you left them available in the store and let people just try it? Awesome.

The free transfer will probably cause mass transfers to orien or sarlona by end gamers. Its human, if one go, I should go to. The fear of being left behind. Those staying (guildes taking a paus from ddo, other not following news, casual players) will have very unpopulated servers. How fun is that? Some people might even stop playing. Has performance test been done? Will orien or sarlona end up laggy instead?

I see a reason to merge servers when its done properly by the dev team. Now it just spreading chaos... imo stupid idea!

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The free transfer will probably cause mass transfers to orien or sarlona by end gamers. Its human, if one go, I should go to. The fear of being left behind. Those staying (guildes taking a paus from ddo, other not following news, casual players) will have very unpopulated servers. How fun is that? Some people might even stop playing. Has performance test been done? Will orien or sarlona end up laggy instead?

I see a reason to merge servers when its done properly by the dev team. Now it just spreading chaos... imo stupid idea!

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Merging servers means forcing people to leave. Something had to be done for those that had HC characters to move, there was no other reasonable solution.

Why is it that whenever a solution is brought to an issue, a new idea is put forth, or generally any sort of new information brought to this platform, there's always a bunch of people that seek out the first things wrong with it? In this thread, there are hordes of people complaining that Orien or Sarlona will get a surplus of people and leave other servers dry. If you're so concerned that your server will be emptied out during the Great Transfer of '23, maybe you should reconsider your placement as well. If your server is indeed bad enough that you fear hundreds will leave it in search of greener pastures, then maybe, instead of coming to this thread and complaining about changes and plans that have already been made, you should try and fix it.

Orien and Sarlona deserve this little break. No one has been able to transfer over for MONTHS. Not even from hardcore. People suggesting free transfers for every server, why? Why would that be a better idea than what they are doing now? People have been able to transfer to other servers for almost this whole time. This upcoming plan is mainly to help those that got stuck on another server. Yes, it will benefit those looking for a new server, but the whole point was to help the people stuck. I don't really see a better workaround solution.

So please, DDO community, typing on the forums is not like buying a house. You don't need to find anything and everything wrong with something, and put full effort into telling everyone why you think something is a bad idea.

Well, if u were certain it would ruin public end game on ur server... Its looks like already 3 or 5 big guilds are planning to move. That would soon mean plenty of other guilds/players will follow and the more that goes, the more will follow. As I see it, end game is ruined on my server. I (we) have to move aswell. I see the reason, for compensation for orien and sarlona players, but it's gotta be better solutions than this...
Life might be good on orien or sarlona aswell but, that means farewell to guild amnesties and for me 2000 astral shards and other things..

I think the Devs trying to compensate orien and sarlona players but missing that they are putting other players on others servers in a very hard position.

Weren't one of the reason not to merge the uncertainties of performance issues? Let's just speculate that the load on orien would increase by 50%? I'm just guessing, but I would imagine the most active players are the ones moving.

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Originally Posted by Sylvado

Merging servers means forcing people to leave. Something had to be done for those that had HC characters to move, there was no other reasonable solution.

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A reasonable solution would have been to leave the characters on HC and not start a new HC season until they had fixed the transfer problems and the characters moved to Orien and Sarlona. If they had thought through the ramification of this current solution maybe they would have realized the value of that option. Of course, that solution is no longer possible so they need to do something else. Give a week of free transfers to any server to level the playing field. That is an "other reasonable solution".

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Why is it that whenever a solution is brought to an issue, a new idea is put forth, or generally any sort of new information brought to this platform, there's always a bunch of people that seek out the first things wrong with it? In this thread, there are hordes of people complaining that Orien or Sarlona will get a surplus of people and leave other servers dry. ...

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If the solution risks introducing more problems it is worth point out no? Or should one only look at the positives of a solution and not the negatives?

The problem is that this solution not only helps those that have stranded Hardcore Characters that deserve help, it also benefits players on Sarlona and Orien that is completely unrelated to Hardcore and risks causing depopulation problem on other servers. Helping HC characters really needs to be solved so that has to be done. With the way it has been handled they likely cannot specifically help those characters and have to open it up. In that case open it up to all servers and keep things equitable.

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I think the Devs trying to compensate orien and sarlona players but missing that they are putting other players on others servers in a very hard position.

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I agree.

People that have had their characters stuck on different servers definitely deserve to get them back to where they want them. I do not argue against that.

I do argue against this free-for-all that are, from what I hear from people on my server, going to take a sizeable chunk of the endgame players away. I don't think it's a good idea to mess up all the other servers in the process of getting the HC toons to where they belong.

So maybe, just maybe, put off this transfer option until they can do it for just the characters that were impacted. Or, if that will be too hard, open the transfers for everyone so noone will feel pushed to change servers. Or... heck, I don't know. Feel free to come up with more ideas.

Again: People should definitely get their HC toons to the servers they want them on. There's no way anything else would be fair.

I just don't think they should do it in a way that messes with other servers. Find a better way.

This is how I see it. If so many of the "end game "players leave to go to the 2 open servers, so what? People are talking about that if they leave everyone else will follow. What are you people mice? Following the Pied Piper? OK, now what when they get there? Do you really think that these elitist players are going to want to join someone else's guild? Most likely not. Its why we see new guild popping up almost monthly with the same players, just different guild names.
I am on Ghallanda, was originally from Fernia before the game decided we had to consolidate servers. I am neither a causal or an elitist player, end game isn't here yet so I cant be one of those either. I have been here since before it was for sale in 2006, and I have seen many players come and go. The issue I see today is that these players don't have any respect for anyone they play with. Joining someone else's group and just doing what you want no matter what the group leader has requested. Why? I haven't figured that out yet, but I have many ideas.
So if these type of people want to leave and all go to another server, let them! Let them butt heads when the other so called best players in the game get in the same group. That would almost be fun enough for me to care.
Again, it was a broken thing that they are fixing to get transfers done. I'm all for giving us what we pay for, but all the other stuff about how your server will be a wasteland after they leave, enjoy it people, enjoy it. Now we can finally run a quest without worrying if someone will join and think they can do as they please because of a build they got off the forums and can run a quest faster than anyone else.
My feelings wont be hurt if those players leave and do not return. As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

One thing to keep in mind before transferring. Orien has been the default server for months and has been steadily increasing in population. It is often the most populated server in DDO eclipsing Argonnessen lately. If too many transfer there it is going to end up being a lag fest. I hope they will keep an eye on this and change the default server when the lag gets out of hand.

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A reasonable solution would have been to leave the characters on HC and not start a new HC season until they had fixed the transfer problems and the characters moved to Orien and Sarlona. If they had thought through the ramification of this current solution maybe they would have realized the value of that option. Of course, that solution is no longer possible so they need to do something else. Give a week of free transfers to any server to level the playing field. That is an "other reasonable solution".

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Just give everyone the chance to move freely. Make a schedule for all I care. Roll a dice for the place on the list. But this might shift things considerably.


Cheers,
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This is how I see it. If so many of the "end game "players leave to go to the 2 open servers, so what? People are talking about that if they leave everyone else will follow. What are you people mice? Following the Pied Piper? OK, now what when they get there? Do you really think that these elitist players are going to want to join someone else's guild? Most likely not. Its why we see new guild popping up almost monthly with the same players, just different guild names.
I am on Ghallanda, was originally from Fernia before the game decided we had to consolidate servers. I am neither a causal or an elitist player, end game isn't here yet so I cant be one of those either. I have been here since before it was for sale in 2006, and I have seen many players come and go. The issue I see today is that these players don't have any respect for anyone they play with. Joining someone else's group and just doing what you want no matter what the group leader has requested. Why? I haven't figured that out yet, but I have many ideas.
So if these type of people want to leave and all go to another server, let them! Let them butt heads when the other so called best players in the game get in the same group. That would almost be fun enough for me to care.
Again, it was a broken thing that they are fixing to get transfers done. I'm all for giving us what we pay for, but all the other stuff about how your server will be a wasteland after they leave, enjoy it people, enjoy it. Now we can finally run a quest without worrying if someone will join and think they can do as they please because of a build they got off the forums and can run a quest faster than anyone else.
My feelings wont be hurt if those players leave and do not return. As the saying goes, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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right i remeber ...blah blah blah from the start guy ...........yawn

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The free transfer will probably cause mass transfers to orien or sarlona by end gamers. Its human, if one go, I should go to. The fear of being left behind. Those staying (guildes taking a paus from ddo, other not following news, casual players) will have very unpopulated servers. How fun is that? Some people might even stop playing. Has performance test been done? Will orien or sarlona end up laggy instead?

I see a reason to merge servers when its done properly by the dev team. Now it just spreading chaos... imo stupid idea!

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The performance test has been done. It's called Hard Core League seasons 1 through 7. We have 2 choices next week. Get on the bus or get run over.
The other servers will be so dead that you'll never get a pug group again. The server populations have been slowly dwindling for years. If the devs forced another server merge
everyone would complain about losing product. This way if you leave it's totally voluntary. As Mr. Spock would say, It was the most "logical" choice.

The solution is simple. Just open up free transfers to all servers during the period and let the players decide for themselves.
That way no servers or players are hurt as no options are removed, only options added.

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A reasonable solution would have been to leave the characters on HC and not start a new HC season until they had fixed the transfer problems and the characters moved to Orien and Sarlona. If they had thought through the ramification of this current solution maybe they would have realized the value of that option. Of course, that solution is no longer possible so they need to do something else. Give a week of free transfers to any server to level the playing field. That is an "other reasonable solution".

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So your reasonable solution is to deny me all the gold rolls made during an HC season? How does free transfers to any server resolve the population concerns, seems to me it would make it worse. The population concern is the only legitimate problem. The fact that some people will be able to transfer items has no impact on others, it is simple envy. Before you ask, my home world is Argonnessen so I don't get the free transfer.

1) Is the FREE option just ONE transfer? Even though the title is Free TransferS to the 2 worlds, the next line says: Read more about A free character transfer window to Orien and Sarlona beginning February 8th. (A character transfer), so is that only one free one?

2) If I have no character slots left open on Orien, will I be able to move additional characters to that server? or do I need to delete toons on the Orien/Salorna server.

3) I have characters on Salorna that I want to move to Orien, will the free transfer allow that option, or is it only the other servers that can transfer to either Orien/Salorna?

That's all

Thanks in advance.

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So your reasonable solution is to deny me all the gold rolls made during an HC season?

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No. I said that the correct solution would have been to leave them on HC until they fixed the problem at which point then they could be moved to Sarlona or Orien. I also said that this was now impossible so their plan for free transfers is required.

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How does free transfers to any server resolve the population concerns, seems to me it would make it worse. The population concern is the only legitimate problem. The fact that some people will be able to transfer items has no impact on others, it is simple envy. Before you ask, my home world is Argonnessen so I don't get the free transfer.

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It may make it worse but I think it unlikely since there would not be 2 clear options to transfer to. People would be required to agree what server should be come the default and as we have seen here is agreement on anything is rare. I don't think people are agreeing when the choice is between just 2 servers.

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It may make it worse but I think it unlikely since there would not be 2 clear options to transfer to. People would be required to agree what server should be come the default and as we have seen here is agreement on anything is rare. I don't think people are agreeing when the choice is between just 2 servers.

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Exactly. With only two servers to go for free everyone can see that those servers will increase in population. So, if someone feels an acute lack of population they would logically consider moving somewhere that is surely increasing.

If instead any server was open for business there would be no certainty that any particular server would increase in population, and hence there would be less reason to move at all.

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Exactly. With only two servers to go for free everyone can see that those servers will increase in population. So, if someone feels an acute lack of population they would logically consider moving somewhere that is surely increasing.

If instead any server was open for business there would be no certainty that any particular server would increase in population, and hence there would be less reason to move at all.

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Not particularly. The most popular servers might gain even more and the lesser ones dry out and we have 2 or 3 more Wayfinder clones. This is not a viable solution either. It needs to be controlled somehow.
Make a certain number of transfers a year free for ViP and lower the cost of paid ones. Let it start slowly instead of opening all the gates at once.


Cheers,
Titus.

Let the people enjoy the "FREE" gift and make their choices freely. if they want to go "let it go". If going to one of those servers is an option , being stuck on a server you dont want to be isnt reasonable . Eventually people will quit the game or do the paid transfer. Whoever wants to go, will go, no one should be held to satisfy anyones sense of a popular server, or to fill someone else's party. In the end the decision to transfer should only be about the individual that wants or not to do so, not about the comunity that he already wants to leave .

For those planning to come to Orien, all i can say is that its a great server, like any other. There is the good people, the bad ones and the drama. Like any normal server would do. So just come if you planning to come with friends or there is nothing left where you are, no reasons to follow the crowd if you're abandoning anything like that.

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No. I said that the correct solution would have been to leave them on HC until they fixed the problem at which point then they could be moved to Sarlona or Orien. I also said that this was now impossible so their plan for free transfers is required.

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Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

It's fascinating to me how negative the community is on here compared to on the reddit. Way more positive (and consistent with my in-game community experience) over there about like every issue I see, but this one is especially notable. This thread here is just people complaining and arguing whereas the equivalent thread on reddit is people being excited and discussing different cultures of different servers and stuff...

People say its a free option. It is but it also isn't. I don't wanne leave my server but don't wanne risk playing on a unpopulated server. (which I think is bound to happend, everyday u here more and more guilds are gonna leave). So I feel SSG leave me no choice, eat sh*t or die? Goodbye to my 2k shards, sucks. I will never buy shards from store again. Goodbye to guild amneties. Goodbye to casual players, Guildies and friends not active at the moment. Such a bad decision from SSG. Make the transfers but make em in a controlled manner. I'm no developer but how much resources needs to be used for making a real merge made by devs? This sounds like just a way to save money. Shareholders > players. I'm ****ed.

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People say its a free option. It is but it also isn't. I don't wanne leave my server but don't wanne risk playing on a unpopulated server. (which I think is bound to happend, everyday u here more and more guilds are gonna leave). So I feel SSG leave me no choice, eat sh*t or die? Goodbye to my 2k shards, sucks. I will never buy shards from store again. Goodbye to guild amneties. Goodbye to casual players, Guildies and friends not active at the moment. Such a bad decision from SSG. Make the transfers but make em in a controlled manner. I'm no developer but how much resources needs to be used for making a real merge made by devs? This sounds like just a way to save money. Shareholders > players. I'm ****ed.

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I agree. This had been badly handled, to say the least.

Yes, people deserve to get their HC toons. No doubt about it. But they should get them in a way that doesn't impact other servers negatively. That can't be so hard, after all, they've had months.

Oh, wait, we're coming up on a year and still no firm word on VIP bonuses. Nevermind.

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Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

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I see your point now. But that is a post-hoc justification as when they came up with the plan to give free transfers sometime in the future, this current HC season had not been announced. If they had planned to fix the transfer before opening a new HC you wouldn't have known what you were missing. It also is likely that they would have resolved the transfer issue faster as they may have been motivated to fix the problem so they could start a new HC season (thus still giving you those rolls).

I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

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I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

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Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server? Also it doesnt take that many active players to leave in order to make it a ghost town, I bet most people who throws up LFM´s have already made preparations. 'Everything' must be the forum hyperbole of the century. I don´t know how the pastures looks on O or S, but one thing I am certain of, there will be many new cowboys in either of those towns.

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Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server?

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Uh, 'Cos literally the purpose of this is that the people from Sarlona and Orien needed to get chars home from HC6??? So we'll need to do that? Not to mention the people that discussed consolidating items on O or S and then using 1 toon to move back to their main server.

I have like 3 bank toons that didn't make it back from HC6, plus another 4 or so that I'll need to move that are sitting on HC 7 that I haven't moved because transfers have been down to Sarlona. So it will look in the numbers next week like 7 chars moved, even tho they're gonna get deleted once I can get everything organized on Sarlona.

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I think a lot of people are overestimating how many people are willing move. Someone on the reddit put up a poll and so far, out of ~90 responses, 10 people said they're moving to Sarlona, 12 people said they're moving to Orien, and 66 people said they're staying on their home server.

Which isn't surprising. In the scheme of things, losing your guild ship and shards and everything else is a much higher barrier to leaving your server than just the cost of a transfer, so removing the smallest part of the barrier to shift isn't going to induce people to shift without good reason.

I really suggest, instead of "resigning" yourself to losing everything, people just watch DDO audit. Give it a couple weeks too. I imagine at first there will be a huge influx as people move bank characters over and then delete them. I really don't think there's gonna be as big a shift as people on this thread seem to think, except maybe out of Wayfinder.

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You have an odd way of interpreting those numbers. I definitely read them differently.

The sample is small ofcourse but lets for the sake of the argument assume it is infact representative. That means a full 25% of the population from the other servers are moving to O or S. Thats leaves the other servers with 75% remaining while O and S move up to 162.5%, or more than double the population of the other servers.

Now, for the other servers - if it took 45 mins filling your PUG raid expect it to take an hour instead. If half the time noone joined your heroic pug group expect it to be nearly 2/3 of the time noone joins. Heck, the effect of a 25% loss from people moving would probably be worse than that as soloers are unlikely to move meaning the people moving are more likely to come out of the "lfm" pool than the average population.

A 25% loss of population would be worse than I had feared and I definitely dont hope that happens. It would be a major blow to the other servers. So, I dont get why you think 25% is not significant. If anything your numbers only reinforced that the unfairness is infact a very real issue.

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You have an odd way of interpreting those numbers. I definitely read them differently.

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Yeah, 25% is huge. it used to be you would decimate a village by killing 10%. (Of course, with inflation and the education of news anchors, decimating is probably now closer to 54% :))

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Why would you imagine that people would move their bank toons to an off-server? .

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Those with a couple years of daily gold rolls have a lot of goods on all the servers. And if your not fortunate enough to have Orien or Sarlona as your home server then you will condense everything to one server for free, then pay 2500 points to get your goods to your home server. It is stupid expensive to transfer, but this one way will make it worthwhile. I will be moving 14 bank toons to Sarlona. Then probably deleting most of them.

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Those with a couple years of daily gold rolls have a lot of goods on all the servers. And if your not fortunate enough to have Orien or Sarlona as your home server then you will condense everything to one server for free, then pay 2500 points to get your goods to your home server. It is stupid expensive to transfer, but this one way will make it worthwhile. I will be moving 14 bank toons to Sarlona. Then probably deleting most of them.

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Oh, good for those people, all that work and scheming finally comes into fruition... (I put it solidly in the 'who cares-folder' for this discussion)

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Which would have required skipping the current HC season, which was my point.

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Clone the server. Wipe one and close the other until the issue is resolved.

Cheers,
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Oh, good for those people, all that work and scheming finally comes into fruition... (I put it solidly in the 'who cares-folder' for this discussion)

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You asked, I answered. Honestly don’t think very many from Khyber will move, so the whole thing is kinda a who cares for me.

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Link to where it says that for the official point of view, or quit with the unfounded rumour mongering.

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Several entries in my MM became disabled after I transferred. Sorry for warning you. People are so cruel ...

Sarlona is my main. However I plan to load up a toon and take it over to Orien to buff my Livmo there. All the good stuffs; augments, crafting mats, plat, weapons, armor/equipment, tomes, and good times!

I like Sarlona the best, but I've had oodles of good times on Orien. Livmo Orien not as well off as Sarlona Livmo (playing barbarian right now). I really just want to flag and raid. The xfer will provide a boost to do that.

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However I plan to load up a toon and take it over to Orien to buff my Livmo there. All the good stuffs...

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Good point - need to do some crafting on home server and send a care package to Sarlona/Orien! :cool:

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Good point - need to do some crafting on home server and send a care package to Sarlona/Orien! :cool:

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Since I'm taking a toon from Sarlona to Orien to multiserver, I will now have a Sarlorien!

Drat, I wish I would have named the toon Sarlorien. Name is probably up for grabs on both servers.



EDIT ~ I've already loaded up the toon and it took 4-ever to split stacks and stacks and stacks...and I don't want to spend points on a name change : ) )

Please send me a list of all the characters you are transferring and where they are transferring from, so I can make new toons on those servers with the cool names you took many years ago.

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People say its a free option. It is but it also isn't. I don't wanne leave my server but don't wanne risk playing on a unpopulated server. (which I think is bound to happend, everyday u here more and more guilds are gonna leave). So I feel SSG leave me no choice, eat sh*t or die? Goodbye to my 2k shards, sucks. I will never buy shards from store again. Goodbye to guild amneties. Goodbye to casual players, Guildies and friends not active at the moment. Such a bad decision from SSG. Make the transfers but make em in a controlled manner. I'm no developer but how much resources needs to be used for making a real merge made by devs? This sounds like just a way to save money. Shareholders > players. I'm ****ed.

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Spend the shards on the shard AH before leaving. You'd be surprised what is put up for sale there.

I want the devs to understand the extent of people leaving. This is not about having some hc chars being moved or not. This is about having contacts, guildes, friends being ripped (apart from sarlona/orien servers) . Got a guilde recently parent and have been inactive for some time. When he comes back server are gonna be. Empty ...?! U think he will continue playing?
As I have been able to gather we have 10 confirmed active guilds moving from ghallanda to orien. The rest are waiting, but ready to hit the move button prior end date. The dominoes are falling on ghallanda... Gonna be a ghost town afterwards.

There might be solutions:
Stop the free transfers
Limit the transfers to one char
Open the transfers to be free for two years
Open transfers to all servers
Pls Make a way for people to buy ddo points for shards (for a limited amount of time)
Get ur **** togheter and make a real merge, shards, guild...
Make accounts only from orien/sarlona have free transfers.

I have the right to be disappointed. I've been spending lotsa money and TIME playing this game, I love it but I don't think devs understands the extent, and consequences of the transfers.

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I want the devs to understand the extent of people leaving. This is not about having some hc chars being moved or not. This is about having contacts, guildes, friends being ripped (apart from sarlona/orien servers) . Got a guilde recently parent and have been inactive for some time. When he comes back server are gonna be. Empty ...?! U think he will continue playing?
As I have been able to gather we have 10 confirmed active guilds moving from ghallanda to orien. The rest are waiting, but ready to hit the move button prior end date. The dominoes are falling on ghallanda... Gonna be a ghost town afterwards.

There might be solutions:
Stop the free transfers
Limit the transfers to one char
Open the transfers to be free for two years
Open transfers to all servers
Pls Make a way for people to buy ddo points for shards (for a limited amount of time)
Get ur **** togheter and make a real merge, shards, guild...
Make accounts only from orien/sarlona have free transfers.

I have the right to be disappointed. I've been spending lotsa money and TIME playing this game, I love it but I don't think devs understands the extent, and consequences of the transfers.

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The glass may be half full for more people, than the displeased. I'm sure this is not a 1 time only event.

Folks complain about dead servers and this in an opportunity for allot of people to move to a more active server.

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I want the devs to understand the extent of people leaving. This is not about having some hc chars being moved or not. This is about having contacts, guildes, friends being ripped (apart from sarlona/orien servers) . Got a guilde recently parent and have been inactive for some time. When he comes back server are gonna be. Empty ...?! U think he will continue playing?
As I have been able to gather we have 10 confirmed active guilds moving from ghallanda to orien. The rest are waiting, but ready to hit the move button prior end date. The dominoes are falling on ghallanda... Gonna be a ghost town afterwards.



I have the right to be disappointed. I've been spending lotsa money and TIME playing this game, I love it but I don't think devs understands the extent, and consequences of the transfers.

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There might be solutions:
Stop the free transfers - People have characters from the last HC season on other servers and we instructed to do that.
Limit the transfers to one char - People have multiple HC characters from last season on other servers.
Open the transfers to be free for two years - No reason at all to do this
Open transfers to all servers - Transfers from HC to other servers did not have an issue
Pls Make a way for people to buy ddo points for shards (for a limited amount of time) - No idea what you mean with this statement
Get ur **** togheter and make a real merge, shards, guild... - There is not intent to merge servers, that was never the reason for the transfers
Make accounts only from orien/sarlona have free transfers. - This is for players to move character, from HC season 6, to those servers, not from them.

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Originally Posted by Livmo

I'm sure this is not a 1 time only event.

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What do you base this on? I've seen nothing so far to suggest it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Livmo

Folks complain about dead servers and this in an opportunity for allot of people to move to a more active server.

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And for those left behind to have even mode dead servers.

If they want to merge servers, then merge servers properly. I'm all for that. This way bolsters up two servers on expense of the rest. I do not think that is a good idea, nor is it fair.

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Originally Posted by Dandonk

And for those left behind to have even mode dead servers.

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So don't be left behind.

You are choosing to stay on a dead server.

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Originally Posted by Mamalian

So don't be left behind.

You are choosing to stay on a dead server.

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People on a break are not choosing anything.

But even so, forcing this move on an entire server (and leaving stuff and guild ships behind) is not fair, either. I don't really understand why forcing a server move on players is seen as OK.

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Originally Posted by Livmo

The glass may be half full for more people, than the displeased. I'm sure this is not a 1 time only event.

Folks complain about dead servers and this in an opportunity for allot of people to move to a more active server.

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Yeah this. People on this thread are complaining, but people on the reddit sub are really excited. I'm pretty sure a semi voluntary server merge is not seen as a BAD thing by the devs. I think it's WAI.

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Originally Posted by MathisMagic

Yeah this. People on this thread are complaining, but people on the reddit sub are really excited. I'm pretty sure a semi voluntary server merge is not seen as a BAD thing by the devs. I think it's WAI.

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It is not semi-voluntary. It's a forced choice, leaving behind many who are on breaks, don't keep up with the news, or for a host of other reasons might not want/be able to move.

This is not a good thing. A real server merge would have been a good thing. This is not that.

Well, Cordovan mentioned on the stream that they've seen the concerns, but they're not going to do anything. If it does turn out negative, then they'll have to see. Or words to that effect.

Very reassuring. Or something. Sure, we mess up all but two of the servers, but hey, "we'll see". Like the VIP bonuses? So maybe "we'll see" next year?

And realistically, what can they do after opening the floodgates? Force-transfer people back? That's not going to go over well, either.

I'm so glad SSG take player concerns over giant sweeping server changes serious. Oh, right.

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

There were several other worlds briefly impacted, but by that point it was widely understood that transfers were not functioning, and we had not committed to a free transfer period to those other worlds. Orien and Sarlona had extended issues that prompted us to make this plan in November as a workaround, and that is what we are doing here, now that transfer issues have been resolved.

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That being said, why not give the affected accounts the free transfers? I realize that would be more work, but such a move would actually address the earlier transfer problem created, albeit unintentionally, by SSG. The approach SSG is taking comes across as a less caring approach. It's like, "Why use a laser to precisely treat the problem when it is cheaper and quicker to just drop a bomb. The problem will still be addressed and we don't care about collateral damage." This has the potential to severely hurt some of the servers. Please, explain the reasoning behind SSG's decision.

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Originally Posted by Sirea

Leveling up a guild ship doesn’t even take that long. Death Smile gets to like level 150 every hardcore season, even the short seasons. And everyone pooling shards together, getting the big airship isn’t unobtainable.

A lot of end game players on Ghallanda are considering moving. Just where to is the question.

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Comparing the way Death Smiles levels up on HC is misleading. DS maxes out it's population within a day or two of Hard Core opening due to the special dynamics of HC. Such a dynamic does not happen on regular servers so the collective resources will not be available to many.

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Originally Posted by plantman81

comparing the way death smiles levels up on hc is misleading. Ds maxes out it's population within a day or two of hard core opening due to the special dynamics of hc. Such a dynamic does not happen on regular servers so the collective resources will not be available to many.

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wrong.

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Originally Posted by mikarddo

I certainly understand why it will be nice to get the HCL characters home, finally.

As for losing stuff on xfer. Pets and Mounts may matter to some but many are from xpacs you get on any server and most others are easy enough to get again - if those even matter for you. For me they dont but I am not xferring. Note the guild recruitment post above - if you move servers to join a new guild there is no loss of airship. That leaves only the loss of shards but for most people with many shards that is likely more than offset by getting 50+ free xp pots by xferring goodies from all servers.

So, for those without a happy guild on the current server - is there really a loss? I think you are overstating the loss and understating the gains by a good margin :)

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I respectfully disagree with your last statement. Of course, each player must evaluate their personal pros and cons regarding transfer. You mention the offset of loss by transfering goodies from all the other servers. I propose this: Create a character on each server. Get the account goodies your account has opened from past purchases (e.g. from expansion packs). Do a free transfer to either Sarlona or Orien. Consolidate the goodies just as you proposed. THEN put all of those goodies on one character on the new server. Pay the 2495 point cost for a character Xfer back to your original server. Basically, one does everything you proposed above, but for 2495 points you get to keep ALL of your current home server benefits. Which is the better value? I know what it is for me.

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Originally Posted by LavidDynch

wrong.

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Care to elaborate, because there was nothing incorrect in that statement. Also, as I pointed out earlier in the thread they do not get close to 150 in the short seasons, they might make 119 this season.