Minor issue, but I have some +3s stored up on toons that won't need them now since tome retention on TRs. Not much else to take on 20ths anyway once you have your gear. Now those tomes are worthless.
Let us crunch them into something or make end rewards BTA or something.
/signed
It's a bit ironic that they actually had this in place for a little while, but took it out because of the outrage.
Still, doesn't seem a bad idea to me what with them being bound and all (I think?)
/signed.
Simply because I'm amused at the thought of demanding they change it back. :D
/signed
To be expected really. When you change game mechanics, expect complaints and desires to change.
/sighed
good call
/not signed due to the sheer number of people that exploited chests in challenges that have dozens of toons stocked up on +3 tomes. It sucks for people that have the raid reward ones but theres not much that can be done about those.
now thats something that never occurred to me. +3 tomes arent going to be as needed soon. i think they should become unbound tomes to trade/sell/crunch. biggest reasons why i even do hard/elite hounds and vods is for the tomes i dont have, so whats the point if they can be carried over to next life and i already have the loot i want from the raids? either way, its definitely something that needs to be considered.
The +3 tomes that come from challenge chests are not bound. Those can be moved to characters that still need that flavor of tome or they can be sold to other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superspeed_Hi5
The only time someone would use the option of crunching a +3 tome into purified Eberron dragonshards is if they had a second BtC tome of a flavor that they had already eaten. No one would do that with an unbound +3 tome.
why should those of us who never took part in this exploit be punished for what we didnt do? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Superspeed_Hi5
True it wouldnt even bother those who took part in the exploits at all just needlessly punish the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody
Lol even if they did this I would feel sad about crunching +3 tomes for 16 purified shards... how lame
/not signed for the original reason that they won't go up for roll any more if you can trade them in for the purified shards.
Agreed. Not everyone has all the +3s they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathdefy
A +3 tome would give 16 purified Eberron dragonshards = (3+1)^2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathdefy
A +1 tome gives 4 purified Eberron dragonshards = (1+1)^2.
I'm pretty sure that someone who gets a +3 tome passed to them in a raid would be willing to spend the 80k - 100k to buy four +1 tomes to mail to the person who just gave them a +3 tome.
I don't anticipate that people would loot +3 tomes to crunch up any more than people loot raid items because they want the plat that they would get from vendoring. Yes, it happens, but only when absolutely no one else wants the item.
This for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathdefy
Once +3s drop in random lootgen enough that they are no longer very rare, then allow crunching.
If you play with people who would take a +3 to crunch it you need to reconsider the people you run with...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathdefy
Do you know of anyone with dozens of toons stocked with ill-gotten +3 tomes? Or are you just making baseless accusations based on your cognitive bias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Superspeed_Hi5
/signedQuote:
Originally Posted by aurum1
Would be funny if as punishment Turbine converted all those +3 tomes into Vacuous Grimoires, with their permanent ability drain. Each would weigh 100lbs and be stuck to their inventory slot until read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superspeed_Hi5
It's called PUGging. You don't know whether that person is a fool or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by aurum1
I'd name some, but Turbine punish calling out cheats more than they punish cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by GentlemanAndAScholar
People whose accounts should have been deleted instead got 6 hour bans.
Why should their accounts have been deleted?Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgog
At the end of the day I don't really see how the effect from this was worse than the dowsing rod fiasco (which i'll admit left me peeved as i refused to partake) yet it seems most of the player base deems rods ok and chests omg ban despite the outcome both ways being AH prices inflated.
Infact the way i see it, some of those people aren't competing with me for +3 tomes anymore, GREAT!
Didnt read the whole thread so dont know if this was said or not.
But i would rather see all +3 tomes become unbound or maybe even BTA instead of what the OP is asking for.
I don't personally know anyone who exploited the chests, but there are two or three people who spam trade chat pretty frequently with offers to sell +3 tomes. Maybe they just have a few, that they got legitimately. But I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GentlemanAndAScholar
yeah but some of the more greedy ones will still roll on the bound +3 tome so they can free up the unbound one to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by fTdOmen
I agree. It is beyond shameful. And there's no way to know who it really is because its just a level4 vet status character that whoevers acct rolled up...could be a guildy, a friend...sickening...Quote:
Originally Posted by GotSomeQuestions
Someone hawking 5-6 +3 tomes in a trade channel...what did they ransack elite sins with a chest blesser and huge jewel of fortune 10x???
Oh wait, +3 tomes don't really drop in non-exploit non-raid situations.
Anyone posting multiple +3 tomes in a trade channel needs at a minimum a serious look at.
As for the OP...
/signed, if you have 2 bound +3 tomes and they now carry through TRs, I guess crunching it is the only thing to do.
I don't think there would be an issue with anyone taking +3 tomes to crunch them instead of putting them for roll...that is pretty low (but who knows...)
Yea I do they got banned for a week when they were bragging about all over Gland. Which was great for them because it gave them a week to play Skyrim with no DDO interruption. Also that sounded like an insult. Baseless accusations, please. Those of us in the know all know who partook and who didnt. We know what guilds partook and which didnt. Even if I didnt I would be entitled to my opinion on why, and I dont see any reason why we should make it easier for them to pull ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by GentlemanAndAScholar
Thats something I would sign in a muther f-in heartbeat!Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrite
I would crunch 1 as a +3 tome to me is quite worthless as your toons modifier is based on the even number not the odd and as most people have basicaly made there toon with even numbers what use is a +3 tome?, now a +4 is a different kettle of fish
You do know that in real world math, odd + odd = even...Quote:
Originally Posted by DogMania
What it means is that with a +3 over a +2 you might not need that exceptional +1 ... or to take that last enhancement stat increase.
Planning from the get go, a 14 dex (on a non elf) is TWO build points less than a 15 dex, if you are using a tome to reach 17 for itwf/gtwf.
There are plenty of places where the +1 can help you make your character better and free up slots/points. Ergo your comment is just flat out wrong!
LOL Of course I know that but by the time you are running high level quests you probably will already have that exceptional +1 or +2Quote:
Originally Posted by Fomori
Change all existing and future +3s to unbound status, or at least BTA.
Change all existing exploit tomes to +3 btc.
Fixed.
That is fine with me or make +3 tomes bta
Pretty much anyone who was mad at the one, was also mad at the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by fTdOmen
I don't know anyway who thought the rod fiasco was okay, but was mad at the chest fiasco.
Where do you get the idea that "most of the player base" was opposite of what I've seen in game and on these boards?
Why is making them bta any different than letting them be used as a crafting ingredient? Either way they wont be rolled. How many people are getting +3 tomes in rolls? With tr'ing it is rare to see them rolled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miow
I'm not sure what your trying to say, as far as being different no the end result is not different but people would have two extra options to chose from for their tomes they currently have stocked away for their next life. It is already rare to see them rolled for sure, or they usually are passed to a friend or guildy that need them. I'm a little confused as to how you are interpreting my previous statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugoman
Some people get a +3 tome and then save it and TR.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogMania
/signed wholeheartedlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomalon
make all BTC tomes BTA now that they carry over so we can spread the love around :)