Shroud lag back bigger and better

so went to a shroud run and in part4 right towards the end of the fight, pow team wipe.we were all wondering in 2 seconds how we could go from full health,spamming heals to total party wipe? so we all recalled started a new group went back in and we get to part 4 and pow another lag spike so drastic that when i got put in part 5, dead, for 30 seconds damage scores rolled by my head. i imagine that when the patches came out it rolled back the lag fix that we all enjoyed that week after last mod. but lag is back bigger and better than before. the word "un" comes to mind, unsatisfied,unremarkable,unmotivated,unprofessiona l. not really mad as this is what i've come to expect. i fall into the unsatisfied category. so is this what we get? more lag, as it seems to be the great equalizer.do they even know how much lag there is? i really dont expect a fix, just wondering if they even have a clue as to all the broken parts of this game.oh.well have a good day and watch out for that old,new shroud lag.

Duno what to tell you, i havent seen any sort of lag in shroud since the update.

Same thing happened to me yesterday in a shroud ...

three healers and somewhere in part 4 bam all of a sudden every one cept 1 fighter and 2 of the three clerics where dead in an instant ...

myddo explained why the rouge died (only 300 hps) but lag was crazy bad ... worst its ever been ...

and even with a recovery .... lag cost us part 5 ....

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Originally Posted by Halock

Duno what to tell you, i havent seen any sort of lag in shroud since the update.

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I haven't either till yesterday ... and yesterday was crazy.

maybe they are putting stuff from update 6 in stealth like to make the upload easier ...

You guys don't know that Arraetrikos now casts Time Stop and Twin Spell: Delayed Blast Fireball, Twin Spell: Meteor Shower in rapid succession? :D













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All kidding aside, no, I have not seen Shroud lag after the update. Were healers spamming mass heals when this happened? Were members of the party from different geological regions of the earth? i.e. Some from Oceania (Australia, New Zealand), some from Eastern Asia (China, Japan, Korea), some from Europe and some from North America and some from South America? DDO now has a system to deal the spell casted (like haste, etc.) asynchronously and the recipient won't get it till their system has caught up.

Not all lag is Turbine related. The poor gaming PC's and connections of your fellow players mean that it is harder for the servers to update their clients, causing lag.

You cant blame all lag on Turbine (some certainly, but not all).

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I had a similar situation last night, but there were 3 groups runnig shroud at the same time. I hit a huge lag spike but I heard my hard drive chugging pretty hard at the same time and when I checked my toolbar I noticed that my laptop picked the worst possible time to do a backup and a virus check at the same time. Stopped both and part 5 went fine with a few little hitches but nothing major.

Not all turbines fault but it has improved from before when it was really bad.

fwiw

had a very laggy VoD run last night around 9 BST. which the whole group experienced. this is the first notable lag i've seen since U5.

so OP may have a point...

What TIME were you Shroud-ing? Could be that whole backup lag thing.

lag cant be bigger AND better as bigger lag is worse and better lag is less

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Originally Posted by AyumiAmakusa

What TIME were you Shroud-ing? Could be that whole backup lag thing.

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between 6pm and 9pm mst. so i really dont think it corresponds with any unofficial lag times, but i might be wrong about that. at the same time my guild was running tod and got lagged out also.

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Originally Posted by Visty

lag cant be bigger AND better as bigger lag is worse and better lag is less

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my meaning for better should have been "more efficient" my mistake.

Ran a shroud last night and didn't have any lag. No deaths either. A couple of guildies (barb, barb, cleric), a really good FvS on loan from Foecleaver (thanks Vynnt) and the rest were pugs, and by pug I mean whoever hit the lfm got accepted. We didn't save anything at the end. It was just kill, kill, kill. I don't seem to has the same difficulty with the game that some of you guys have. I wonder why?

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Originally Posted by magnus1

between 6pm and 9pm mst. so i really dont think it corresponds with any unofficial lag times, but i might be wrong about that. at the same time my guild was running tod and got lagged out also.

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Wierd... I ran 5 shrouds last night between 5pm and 8pm mountain time zone with no lag whatsoever. Other than waiting on an Aussie and a Frenchy who kept disconnecting, every run was pretty smooth.

I never see lag dps.

What I do see, almost everytime, is a lag spike at the end of part 1 and part 4, when running to the chests.

I haven't seen a problem specific to the Shroud since the update. However, I have seen an uptick in the number of jarring completely game halting full server lag spikes which have on occasion been nasty enough to cause mass DC's.

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Originally Posted by LordPiglet

What I do see, almost everytime, is a lag spike at the end of part 1 and part 4, when running to the chests.

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Agreed. Something about the loot generation on the Shroud chests in 1 and 4 especially causes a violent freeze. It's pretty much just part of the experience for me now.

Name your servers if you are going to claim lag. What kind of lag as well. Standard Melee Lag, or spikes and waves. Times and party details as well. How many casters, how much DPS, any Monks or known long distance players from EU or beyond and how many Disconnects.

Details details details...

On Thelanis, the Melee Lag for THe Shroud persists but inconsistently, more often just spikes for a few seconds. But a few seconds of caster lag in Pt 4 or 5 is a party wipe.

The general complaints are decreasing among the server population on Thelanis, but the ridicule of DEVs and their abuse of the truth continues..

TBH, we had a 5-arcane Shroud and it was a lag-fest. Two had eardwellers and were emptying their mana bars.

Nerf Polar Ray, I say! ;)

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Originally Posted by stainer

Ran a shroud last night and didn't have any lag. No deaths either. A couple of guildies (barb, barb, cleric), a really good FvS on loan from Foecleaver (thanks Vynnt) and the rest were pugs, and by pug I mean whoever hit the lfm got accepted. We didn't save anything at the end. It was just kill, kill, kill. I don't seem to has the same difficulty with the game that some of you guys have. I wonder why?

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I think sever population and time is a big deal .. my bad lag run was at 8:45-9:25pm EST on sarlona server ..

normally i get no lag at all ... even pre update 5 rarely saw a ton of lag though there where times when i was swinging away and no one else was .... i use high speed cable in a great community (where not to many people download and game so its not a bogged down network) with rogers cable.... I run a pretty decent computer 6 gigs DDR and about 200gigs of free space left on a 1 tera HD ... running ATI Radeon HD 3850
card .. and would have to actually be at my computer to know any other basics ... cause i didnt really care much so long as it could run my games when i bought it (last winter for 1400 sweet deal cause it was on sale)

so neither my network or computer is the issue ... others computers different story ... i would understand that.

I have noticed occasional lag in Shroud as well, usually in the last 2 parts. I specifically recall as another poster has said, that after finishing part 5, even though the fight was done, I still had damage/healing numbers scrolling over my head until I reached the shrine/altar area.

I also have seen a few times while doing the last 2 parts there are lag spikes where everything stops for a few seconds, the game resumes and suddenly 2-3 melee are now dead. Thankfully we have always completed anyways, but it could have easily turned out worse. While not constant as to when it happens like the old lag, the Shroud lag effect still does certainly exist, its just more random.


Kit

Had terrible lag few days ago when I did shroud. Looked at the setting, and noticed that my connection speed(in troubleshooting) was set to 128k instead of automatic for some reason. Set it to automatic, and it fixed everything. Might check that if your having lag problems.

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I never see lag dps.

What I do see, almost everytime, is a lag spike at the end of part 1 and part 4, when running to the chests.

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This.

DPS lag seems to be gone for me since the update, but there are always large spikes in this instance for me as well.

Ive seen massive lag in the Shroud more than once since the update. And this isnt crappy pc-induced lag either, because the entire group experienced it. Whether or not the OP is a troll is beside the point. Just because YOU havent seen lag does not mean it isnt a problem. There have been plenty of post-update shroud lag threads already.

Anyways, I cancelled my sub. That is the only effective way to complain about it.

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Originally Posted by Drfirewater79

I think sever population and time is a big deal .. my bad lag run was at 8:45-9:25pm EST on sarlona server ..

normally i get no lag at all ... even pre update 5 rarely saw a ton of lag though there where times when i was swinging away and no one else was .... i use high speed cable in a great community (where not to many people download and game so its not a bogged down network) with rogers cable.... I run a pretty decent computer 6 gigs DDR and about 200gigs of free space left on a 1 tera HD ... running ATI Radeon HD 3850
card .. and would have to actually be at my computer to know any other basics ... cause i didnt really care much so long as it could run my games when i bought it (last winter for 1400 sweet deal cause it was on sale)

so neither my network or computer is the issue ... others computers different story ... i would understand that.

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I am on Khyber, if not the most populated, it is in the top 2 or 3. I was playing on a laptop, single core AMD Athlon, 4 gigs of ram, XP Pro, ATI video (the crappiest), wirelessly. I had another computer on the network doing a fresh install of vista and was downloading 99 updates, 99! I have ASDL 6 down, 785 up, 100 cat 5, 54g wireless internal network. I was playing during prime time. No lag. No deaths.

xoxoxoxo,

stainer

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Originally Posted by ArichValtrahn

Ive seen massive lag in the Shroud more than once since the update. And this isnt crappy pc-induced lag either, because the entire group experienced it. Whether or not the OP is a troll is beside the point. Just because YOU havent seen lag does not mean it isnt a problem. There have been plenty of post-update shroud lag threads already.

Anyways, I cancelled my sub. That is the only effective way to complain about it.

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me too .... if it wasnt paid up till september and if i didnt think turbine might say something at the last second to make me second guess not paying again ... i wouldn't even play anymore ...

but as it is that i have paid and dont want to leave (even though it seems like the smartest plan to just leave and never look back) even though i canceled my sub ... and i wont be doing F2P or Premium Play ... when i leave a game i am gone ...

but sadly i think that canceling a sub and filling out the survey doesn't mean squat ... cause they are more interested in new players then old ones that are leaving ...

(hint final fantasy 14 september launch .... DC Universe november 2nd launch .... Star Wars old republic next spring ..... turbine has a bunch of competition coming up fast ... there stress levels over there must be super high ... cause they have some big names to worry about )

for you people who havent seen the lag its nice to hear that some dont have the lag. for those of us who have, just another day at the computer. i have seen the lag spikes at pts.1&4 going up to the chests. but its the old dps lag on pt 4 where you're fighting the boss and everything locks up for a couple of seconds then you appear in part 5 dead with the rest of your party.


drfirewater... thanks for being the voice of reason!

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I am on Khyber, if not the most populated, it is in the top 2 or 3. I was playing on a laptop, single core AMD Athlon, 4 gigs of ram, XP Pro, ATI video (the crappiest), wirelessly. I had another computer on the network doing a fresh install of vista and was downloading 99 updates, 99! I have ASDL 6 down, 785 up, 100 cat 5, 54g wireless internal network. I was playing during prime time. No lag. No deaths.

xoxoxoxo,

stainer

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lol not saying that the same issues dont effect different people differently ....

just saying it doesnt mean some people are not experiencing lag ...

but i do believe that stating server and time prolly means something ... cause higher populated servers might also be getting more bandwidth ...

its possible they tuned down sarlonas bandwidth ... its possible that everyone in my party cept sleepy and myself was running a commador 64

just saying you cant say someone is spouting BS just cause you didnt experience it :P

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Originally Posted by bandyman1

This.

DPS lag seems to be gone for me since the update, but there are always large spikes in this instance for me as well.

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I dont think it was dps lag ... not alot of twf in my group that had lag issues ....

think it just might have been something small server side at a bad time or a slider issue that lead to other issues or server communication with clients wasnt optimal ...

there are lots of good and bad reasons it could have happened :)

just saying it happened to me too ... well me and 11 others running shroud last night .. .in fact i was so upset that i intentionally didnt run another raid that night .. even walked away from a TOD just to do some epics.

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Originally Posted by magnus1

drfirewater... thanks for being the voice of reason!

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wow

watch what you say buddy alot of people will squelch you for that comment :P

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Originally Posted by Drfirewater79

...myddo explained why the rouge died (only 300 hps)...

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Oh NO!
Don't let the Rouge die!
Otherwise you'll have to quest looking all pasty faced and unhealthy!

;)