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The combo for the puzzle for Rainbow in the Dark is think of it as a clock.
click center then click
10 o'clock
8 o'clock
2 o'clock
4 o'clock
6 o'clock
12 o'clock
Have lightning resist on when you are doing this.
Enjoy your loot!
Have done this twice successfully. Isn't random.
Brieana (Guild = Oblivion)
It may not be a perfect combination. I have been testing this myself and and have found some patterns are more reliable than others.
Having said that, I tested your combo and it did work, so make that 3 perfect attempts (adding my 1 to your 2).
Tried this pattern and it failed when i went to the 2 o'clock position. Seems to be random most of the time when I run this quest.
tried that and it didnt work for us
I tried it and it worked. Ive tried it Multi. times. Are yall sure your not doing it wrong?
Ok, my second test of that pattern failed. It failed on the last one though, which does seem to very strongly suggest that only certain parts of the puzzle are random and that this is in fact a very reliable, but not perfect solution.
It's random. Which is why Eladrin posted (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=16) "When you figure it out, be sure to let me know." -- there's nothing to figure out, either you get lucky or you don't.
Luck? Perhaps, perhaps not... I hit it twice in a row that seems to be more then luck. But at least there is a chance at solving it now. More of a chance then before. I just wanted to help those that might want some extra loot. Perhaps it is the 6 and 12 that are random. But at least it is a chance to solve. Try it or not good luck on the loot :)
My first time doing this puzzle I hit the 10 o'clock position and boom, floor falls out. Then again, all four times I played with this puzzle I had the floor fall out on the first thing I hit (all on different positions, 4/6/8/10 o'clock). This puzzle obviously is biased against cows. :p
Oh, I'm sorry if I came across as not appreciative. If this is a pattern that works with any regular frequency, we're better off than before so thank you :). Was just saying that I think, in general, it's random...but we all know how the random in DDO likes to cluster around certain events ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brieana
Tried the 10, 8, 2, 4, 6, 12 theory twice on leet and neither worked, what are your thoughts on the the puzzle itsellf at the end, guildy noticed several different plates lit red, perhaps this is a clue as to what the combo is. The devs making "several" different variations as to not farm it. Would have to complete the whole quest to get the order of the gears.
We did the quest on normal both times, though it is possible that the sequence is different on hard and elite I dont think that would be the case, but who knows. We did it at the end of the quest and at the beginning with the same results.
This is the most likely scenario...I can think of no other reason that certain tiles are lit red in the Rainbow room when you arrive. FWIW...I've tried 10, 2, and 6 starting positions with no luck and the red tile combo has been different every time in the Rainbow room.Quote:
Originally Posted by mons
if it is random that is no fun, and i don't think i will run that quest at all.
It's just a bonus chest..Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonty
We tried this method and it worked the first 2 times, so we were excited. However, it did fail the next 3 times. Thanks for the tip though. I have been able to get to the chests even if the floor does fall out, much to the envy and curses of my guildies :)
In point of fact it is TWO bonus chests and at level 16 on normal and 18 on Elite it is well worth the effort to attempt to find the patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by moorewr
Yes! My point was that being annoyed by the puzzle shouldn't keep you out of the quest.. as in you can ignore the chest and keep rollin' on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthen
It may be tied to where the Blue Circle elemental trap spawns. (which dungeon version your in maybe) The Blue Circle spawns at the shrine or on the way to the room with the scorpion signet to unlock the eastern door. At least that is where i have seen it spawn the few times i was running the dungeon. Dunno if this helps.
This sounds promising. The reds at the end may not be a clue to solve it so much as just indicating what state the gear lock is in, much like the second and third sets of the DQ1 order. We'd need to collect data on successful gear patterns, difficulty setting, and which rainbow lights started red in that instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by mons
(looping some Dio through the voice chat input may also increase odds of success)
It could be like the AtDQ book riddle or Shadow Crypt path and have a finite number of solutions (not the full 720 combinations suggested by 6 random levers). Keep up the good sleuthing guys and gals!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brieana
And a shortcut to the mini-boss if you fail and the floor breaks. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by moorewr
Heh. Painful shortcut!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Bombardier
Thank heavens our ranger had the ring of the ancestors, since we were all first timers, all standing over the pit, and the cleric and the high-UMD characters all died on the way down. :)
If you're on Hard/Elite, absolutely. But, if you look around, you'll see theres always a clear drop path through the spikes (though the spikes seem to be in random spots so the path isn't always the same).Quote:
Originally Posted by moorewr
It might be helpful if people take a /loc when they use this method successfully and record the r, i and Q numbers(Q should be a hexadecimal).
Yes.. we made a little map study once we'd raised the party. Forewarned is forearmed. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Bombardier
tried the 10-8-2-4-6-12 method after reading this post 12 runs zero completions most we got through was 3 pulls forth 1 dropped us twice
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Originally Posted by Brieana
tested on different difficulties?
there might be a solid solution for each difficulty....bu then again, random best bet
all of my attempts that failed were on elite
failed on normal first click after center
on my last 3 runs, 1 was hard and, 2 elite.
center,12,2,4,8,10,6 .... opened gate all 3 times, but floor popped too :(
Is this for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fennario
Yep... looted the chests twice with the rest of my group cursing me from the darkness below. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Attomic
Certainly a puzzle and a half
Hmm.. I'll have to look for some sconce or ledge to stand on next time. Food for thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fennario
I like this quest, but it is a bummer that the clock lock is vague in its hints.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonty
A few things I have noticed
The 7 switches at the very end (rainbow puzzle). Apparently light up differently. (left to right). I have had 1/2 and 6/7 lit up and another time it was 1 and 6 only. Also, of interest is that the design on the 7 switches at the end, is the same design as the "trap" buttons found through out the quest itself (IE: where elementals spawn). a clue?
I have been successful once in getting the extra chests.
difficulty: hard
The rainbow puzzle (at the end) was lit up 1/6. (from left to right, standing on stairs)
The combination that worked for us was: 8,2,10,12,4,6 - after hitting 8, we did get the electricity trap.
hey! it IS lit up when you first arrive, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rockcrown
hmmmm...
ROFL!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jmonty
random is not fun????
People have been asking for random elements to dungeons, and as soon as one goes in, it's not fun!!!!!??????
ZOMG I need LOOOOOTZ. :rolleyes:
Thought it funny myself Asp....Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspenor
DEV's gives us EXACTLY what we have been asking for and then this happens.
Wonder what will happen when we can finally have more random traps. Wait, I do know - they will ***** about it.
Typical, huh?
:confused:
Yeah I hear ya. Now that traps actually hurt, people would whine and cry foul if they were random and didn't know they were coming. How typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hendrik
I can just see the outcry now, Turbine releases their first ever fully randomized dungeon with a random map, random encounters and random traps.
People would be posting here and whining to high heaven because OMG I can't plan for the quest!!! I don't know what buffs to cast!!! I can't zerg!!! I don't know what monsters I will fight!! I don't know where the traps are!!!!
:rolleyes:
I, for one, am glad the puzzle has a random element to solve it. Makes it so that you can't just work out a memorized macro that works every time. I hate that sort of stuff.
We are on the same wavelength friend.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspenor
;)
Appears to be lit up differently each time. I've seen (again from left to right):Quote:
Originally Posted by moorewr
R _ _ _ _ R _
R R _ _ _ R R
R= lit up red
Funny.. I tried as instructed from this post.. And First Move = 10 O'clock... Floor dropped =)
Tried on Normal last night. 10-8-2 (lightning trap started going off), 4 (floor broke).
Definitely, keep posting "winning" solutions. I'm still guessing it's not 100% random and there may be a finite number of solutions. Knowing those combos will at least increase our chances of getting it right. :)
Good point. Especially since the combination reported in the OP worked a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Bombardier
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Originally Posted by Aspenor
This is exactly the sort of thing that must drive Devs nuts. Players clamor of random elements in dungeons, the Devs give it to them, and then players whine about it. This goes to prove that many players really don't know what they want.
I think you're misinterpretting what people mean by random.
The puzzle to the demon queen is random, BUT there is a way of solving it every single time.
People are going to be annoyed if this trap is random in the sense that sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. I have no problem with an infinite number of solutions, as long as there is a method to figuring it out every single time.
Has anyone tried having somone in the room where the rainbow tiles are when you try turning the gears?
It has been mentioned several times that the red tiles that are pre-lit before you go into the room are different some times... does this perhaps have anything to do with the gear sequencing?
Do the pre-lit tiles change when you turn a gear to give a clue as to which one you should do next?
...Graz
I don't mind the trap too much. I've run it 3 times now (once on each setting.) I've never gotten those chests even. I'm looking forward to the time we get them!
That said, it might be nice to have a rogue do a skill check against that trap for a hint. The idea would be the rogue examines the workings of the trap and goes, "hmm... this one is looks looks like it pulls a pin out of this other one. These ones look like they would trigger the floor. So I'll should put that first one." Rogue get a hint to pull lever x. Rogue pulls lever x and hears a click. Rogue attempts rolls against Disable Device again and gets another hint. etc... You don't even need to see the roll. You make a check, get a hint and either choose to go with the hint or not. A really good rogue would be able to get through it most of the time using the hints.
Players with the DD skill would just guess like is being done now.
Come to think of it... have any of the rogues doing the 6-shooter trap put on their DD, luck, and INT items, skill boost, GH etc while working the trap??? Just curious if anyone has found more luck while at max DD than without. :eek:
The mystery of Rainbow in the Dark? Here's my solution:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJ_FgL5l1og
Took a group in on normal last night.
Rogue found two trap boxes then disabled them. He started middle then 6,4,2,12,10,8 moving counter clockwise. Lightning trap went off after 10. The gate still lifted when 8 was used and we got the 2 chests. I've only done it this one time.
Edit: Just spoke to the rogue he said he disabled one outside the gate on the wall and disabled the second one once we were inside on the floor.
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Originally Posted by moorewr
this is not a solution, itsa firckni Dio video...
Ok... my current theory... you guys lemme know if it works.
Think of the revolver as a game of minesweeper. The "bullet" has to be chosen last, and the next bullet clockwise sets off the lightning trap.
So... if 8 set off the lightning trap, 6 would be 'death' and have to be chosen last.
First, I am glad they named a quest that requires mad rogue skills after my rogue (Inthedark) ;)
The way we tried it (not having seen this thread before I did it). 2, 8, 10, 4, 12, 6 -- like tightening lug nuts on a car --
I did manage to find and disable the trap box next to the lightening trap and the one inside the room.
Great idea, trying it tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbryan2
How perceptive you are...Quote:
Originally Posted by cpampine
I like some of the ideas I'm hearing here. Looking forward to trying some out.
Mike
Dio ROCKS!!!!! Ronnie James is the man!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cpampine
Interesting... hate the video, but this gave me a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by moorewr
Most of the new quests are named after songs etc...
The first vocals in this are
When there's lightening, it always brings me down.
So could that mean that when there is a lightening trap, the floor is guaranteed to fall?
Later in the song, there is another vocal:
You're just a picture,
an image caught in time.
So could this mean something about the statues?
...Graz
I tried last night on Normal after completing the quest, using that exact sequence in the OP, no lightning trap spawned, but the floor dropped after hitting the 4 o'clock.
Before the final fight (and therefore before we went to the puzzle) we noticed that there was only 1 red lit button at the rainbow buttons and it was in the exact middle position.
I like this idea a lot, and it seems coherent with a few posts in there, except that one from Mad_B: "10-8-2 (lightning trap started going off), 4 (floor broke)."Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbryan2
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Originally Posted by Graz
wow how very perceptive ...
first time through .. blammo we get it ... and i dont see the combo .... 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th times we fail and i didnt se ethe code either ... a guy in party tells me yeah he knows the code and that it has to do with the scorpion murals and that all are mirror images except one and that one is the Key? well this makes no sense to me either so we post an lfm asking for someone wjo knows the puzzle and guy joins and says he knows it and its worked for him 3 times he tells us its center 6 , 2,10,12,4,8 oh this didnt work either ... and i have only seen the lightening once and it was when we got in ... perhaps it has something to do with howmany people are on the tiles when the puzzle is done? or maybe how long ... (sec) between lever pulls?
i agree with being completely random being stoopid ... there should be some kind of clue , i mean it IS dungeons and dragons ... there has to be a clue ... oh and why they call this quest rainbow in the dark ? i think it has soemthing to do with coming out of the closet?
heh. It is certainly a product of its time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graz
This was my line of thinking, also the "left alone in the dark" bit. Not to get to deep analyzing devs and heavy metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graz
Any difference based on how many people are near the trap and the lightning?
MY demons, do they ever let me go?
I should add, regarding the theory we're developing here, that we activated the lightning on our first pull (6 o'clock), and then worked our way around pulling all the levers up to 4 o'clock.. when I pulled the final lever we dropped away. Not sure what to make of that except that there was no "correct" pull on the ring, since we got to the end before we dropped.
Although it's still next to it, so it could be sometimes clockwise, sometimes counter, with a 50% chance (hopefully it would be some kind of "static" randomness like in the DQ pre-raid).Quote:
Originally Posted by tihocan
so the lightning trap is the KEY to finding the answer? if so then it means that one will have to get it early on
Well, if it's truly next to it... you can go counter clockwise until you find the lightning and then reverse direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranticus
I've never tried going back to an already pulled lever - are they even selectable anymore once you've flipped them once?
Ran the quest many times last night and recorded everything - saving the details, most of the run, and my coding system I would like to post the key part (lugnut puzzle) of 3 runs that are particularly interesting:
Difficulty - Traps - Boxes - Sequence (Result)
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C, 8, 12, 6, 10, 4 = Success
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C, 8 = Failure
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C = Failure
Interesting ...
Would you mind sharing everything? I'd love to gather more data on this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stockwizard5
I applaud your efforts here. however this means either A) you know the words) or B) you sat through the entire video :P LMAO! JK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Graz
anyway, i would not be surprised that you are on the right track here. Perhaps lightning does strike close to death!! In my example 8 was the first (and lightning one) and 6 was the last wheel for completion.
This wouldnt be the first time. Remember we have an NPC named braddock that gives the quest Missing In Action!!
Good thinking! When you hit lightning, you know one of two adjacent levers is breaky floor. Will test it out. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbryan2
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Originally Posted by tihocan
That's what I just said! Even a 50/50 hint at which trips the breaky floor goes a long way in helping to solve the puzzle. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tihocan
The only problem with the theory at hand is that you have to find the lightning before you find the bullet. It is basically a race and totally random until you find one or the other based upon what I have personally seen and what everyone is posting. Question to focus on is how do we find out which one has the lightning and how do we determine which direction to go from there.
I'm not sure that the goal is find the lightning. I think the lightning could serve as a "close call" and helps you avoid the bullet. You could, afterall, find the "bullet" on the first lever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironforge Clan
But, knowing that the only failure is the bullet, and not any of the other 5 levers drastically changes the chance for success in our favor! Essentially, if we can identify the bullet and hit the other 5 in any order, then we're in good shape. Many more tests need to be done and data recorded for our master puzzle solvers to figure out. :)
did it last night norm..
'o'clock'
10
2 (lightning I think after pulling this one or the next)
8
4
6
12
open
+1 studded...
If 2 was indeed the lightning then the theory seems to be correct and 12 would be the bullet. What MB was stating is understandable the goal isn't necessarily to find the lightning but it is the only indicator we have seen to point us toward which wheel is the bullet. I still feel that the lightning if found is the key and yes there is the whole issue of finding the bullet on the first pull. That could be the randomness of the puzzle in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWizard
One thing to note since it has been brought up before...do the scorpion tails switch which way they point? I haven't checked but this could tell you which direction is or is not the bullet. I'll have to check and record if there is any difference between runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tihocan
How would this jibe with the "silver bullet" theory?Quote:
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C, 8, 12, 6, 10, 4 = Success
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C, 8 = Failure
Elite - CEF - ce - M, 2C = Failure
Normal:
- 0) rainbow tiles 5 and 6 were red
- 1) 8 o'clock = lightning trap
- 2) 10 o'clock = floor fell
Sky which way are you viewing the rainbow tiles? Are you looking from the stairs towards the door where the final battle is or is your back to the door to the final battle facing the stairs? Also I am presuming you are reading or numbering the tiles from left to right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyCry
Hmm . . . you don't mention if lightning goes off or not. That could be the key to giving us a 50/50 shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by stockwizard5
we tried the suggested method on page 1 last night.
i fell through the floor on my turning the first lever.
I did a few runs testing theories.... I was of the assumption that the combination was based on a few things which I noticed were different each run....
1) Eles, Rusties, or bit of both.... When you drop down the first section, I found there were certain combinations of monsters (All rusties, all Elementals, 1 elemental the rest rusties, 3 Elementals the rest rusties etc) Maybe the Amount of Elementals tells you the starting wheel?
2) Floor trap where the beholder is. I noticed some times there is no trap and other times it is there.
3) Inside the room just after the beholder, there is a square tile. Sometimes this has a circular push-rune, and other times it isn't there....
So given these 3 phenomena, I tried pulling the levers based on what had spawned etc. Didn't come up with any firm results, although I did get the gate to open twice, but that could just be because of the random-ness.
Cheers,
just ran it on hard and the floor tiles where lit in the 1, 2, and 6 spots (standing on the stairs looking at the end door.
we only have elementals in the begining cave (where you drop down and run go up)
turned gears center, 12, 10, floor fell and lighting didn't trigger
just a thought has anyone tried it with a true seeing on, ( i know it wouldn't be that simple) or useing a true seeing through out the quest to see if any clues pop up?
I've gone through it a few times with the Sandstorm Goggles in place, and I haven't noticed anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by cryptic
When we solved it no lightning ever went off. We did it on elite and were content with just trying it & if the floor fell fine. Itmeant we would just go the rune faster and use less manna doing so. So the person doing the puzzle just hit stuff randomly no pattern etc. and the gate opened without even setting off the electricity.
So I don't know what it means. I would like to know if anyone else has solved it without setting off electricity.
From the stairs, left to right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironforge Clan
A guildy and I worked on a possible solution for a few hours the other day and got through it 4 or so times out of the many that we tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disavowed
On about half of them we never saw lightning but we also kept the rotation of counterclockwise every time we did it so we had some control to look at.
My theory is this, using the previously stated "minesweeper" method (nice work), it could be the lightning only triggers if you are moving in the direction of the bullet wit it being the next slot.
I have the next two days off so I will test this method with the rest of the data that we have gotten but I think we may be a few steps closer to a guide for this puzzle.
Even if it is random I love it, makes you work for it not just grind it like PoP.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
We continue collecting data but have the following working theory ...
Every pull has a random 1 in X chance of the floor falling.
Current Stats: Normal X ~ 24, Hard X ~ 12, Elite X ~ 8
Need much more data to see if this leads anywhere - sorry if this may be "unsatisfying".
Has anyone skipped the chests ...finished till the rainbow end puzzle fight/ scepter drop off location and seen what is lite? taken a ddoor and tried to do the gears using what was lite for information? after the quest was complete....
how would you read it though? 7 color spots but only 6 switches at the trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by juniorpfactors
right, thats part of it. I've seen 3 different patterns where the rainbow switches are lit up when you enter the room. At one point I thought the red (or first switch) would be the gear that you use to unlock, but I don't think thats right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oreg
Either way, their seems to be something going on with the switches at the end, just not sure what...
My thinking is that the 1-7 spots each take so many steps to turn the colors to the right color. So lets say ROYGBIV are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cryptic
Take a look at the red lit up tiles, add them together. If 1, 2, and 6 are lit, 9 is the clue and either 10 or 8 is the number. There must be a correlation between the way the stingers point to give an indication whether to go clockwise or counter clockwise.
Lets say tiles 1, 2, and 6 are lit. that would mean either 10 or 8 is the number. This would kindof jive with 10 dropping the floor. Maybe there was a key in the stinger point left or right which tells you which number drops the floor.
So, if the stinger pointed right in this instance than 10 (going clockwise) was the floor dropper. Then do the puzzle so that 10 is the last number pulled either with star method or other. I just have seen where others went clockwise and didnt use star pattern and it worked which leads me to believe that order may not matter, on that the last one pulled must be the floor dropper.
Will check this out and report, or others will report and let me know this doesnt work either.
if the number is greater than 12, then use militrary time. 13 is 1 oclock.
I think you are right with the "farming idea", must do quest to get the order, but this has to be solveable.Quote:
Originally Posted by mons
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by aldan
1 and 6 add to make 7 which is between 6 and 8, 6 just happened to be the floor dropper. The electricity trap is just a warning that your close to the floor dropper number which should come last.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockcrown
Did disable the electricity trap and is that the one on the gear pillar?
Because I want it to be. I dont know, guess it may be a red herring. Who knows, I would like to think the devs put in a clever puzzle to keep us from farming but allows us more chests.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjflanigan
That would be seriously cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by aldan
I'm firmly of the opinion that the order is completely random and is merely based on pure luck. I mean the DM text comes right out and says that to you.
What is the DM text, I seem to have not paid attention to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldin