Please Nerf Water Savant

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Originally Posted by Chai

Naaaaa. Nerfing doesnt have the same impact as adjusting the environment on player morale.

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Yes, it does.

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Originally Posted by Chai

A good example of this is epics 1.0 - where the trash mobs were made immune to everything but three tactics or so. My 2 year old builds at that point were still functioning as I built them, it was just the mobs couldnt be attacked with most of the tactics I built for. I felt epics were ********, but my build still functioned as it used to. All the work I put in is still relevant, just not in certain quests on certain difficulties. D&D heads are used to this as the game is situational after all.

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The problem with your argument is that you ignore that epic is the new endgame and you have to compare 'your toon in the old endgame VS the same toon in the new endgame'.
Just ask anyone who had pre-epic AC bulid how they feel about it. They were nerfed to the ground, but nothing changed on their toons.

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Originally Posted by Chai

I disagree.

They gimped an entire combat style until the later levels. Rangers and rogues do more damage with a two hander until ~level 11+ which fails. They took the other combat style whose strength was moving while fighting and made it so you have to stand still to get ~75% of your base damage in glances. They nerfed ranger splashes people had built for years on. The nerfs pigeonholed classes who used to have alot more going for them. The abilities did NOT remain.

I will agree Turbine has not failed on the level of SWG, but they have nerfed quite a few things over the years which made players have to scrap toons and rebuild, which is never a good business decision. Players felt the previous two years of building that toon was for nada.

And no, the abilities dont remain, in anything other than name only. Some of them were changed to the point where its not even the same thing. but hey, you can buy feat swaps and LRs in the store....

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Originally Posted by Chai

Naaaaa. Nerfing doesnt have the same impact as adjusting the environment on player morale.

A good example of this is epics 1.0 - where the trash mobs were made immune to everything but three tactics or so. My 2 year old builds at that point were still functioning as I built them, it was just the mobs couldnt be attacked with most of the tactics I built for. I felt epics were ********, but my build still functioned as it used to. All the work I put in is still relevant, just not in certain quests on certain difficulties. D&D heads are used to this as the game is situational after all.

Hold that up to the example of the U5 combat nerf, where rangers went from a decent DPS class to a mediocre DPS class who people currently play because they like utility. Not only does tempest 3 not net what it used to, but 6 level melee ranger splashes just got smoked, and ended up having an attack rate less than a just-off-the-boat toon previous to the nerf. Level 1 without twf feat used to attack more often then a level 20 with all three of those feats does now.

The players found the awesome combinations, built for them, geared for them, and got it all taken away. Not the same as making adjustments to the environment to disallow certain things.

Not to mention, water savants are not the perching crit fishing firewallers of old. They actually have to work for it and play effectively, which cant merely be quantified with DPS numbers and stated to be too powerful.

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So, you are an absolutist? Nerfs are always bad?