Start Over On Airships and Renown, sorta

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06-09-2010, 11:49 AM
cardmj1

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Originally Posted by KingOfCheese

That's why I am requiring both :)

*snicker* understood
06-09-2010, 11:50 AM
Steiner-Davion

AS I am reading this post, I'm actually a bit affraid to log into my static group tomorrow night, when I am fully expecting to hear that two of the founding members of the guild/group will be leaving DDO for good over this update and the changes resulting fro mthe move to F2P over the last 9 months.
06-09-2010, 11:53 AM
Borror0

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

What are some guild airship features that are (mostly) acceptable?

* Convenient access to standard amenities (bank, mail, auction)
* Rapid travel to different zones (meridia, desert, refuge)
* Discounted vendors (maybe with items that bind-to-guild)
* Bank space shared between characters (with selectable access restrictions)
* Long-lasting buffs that don't stack with other bonus sources (and which may be limited by character level)

Spot on.

The idea to give powerful stacking buffs to damage and abilities is ill-conceived. The above list, however, is a list of reasonable perks.

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Originally Posted by Aspenor

Heck, renown "decay" doesn't make any sense, either. What, I was well known before and no longer am because I'm not picking up collectable bags?

The reasoning is that, if you don't remain active, people will slowly forget about you. Personally, I think that make sense. From a gameplay perspective, it's to make achieving and staying at 100 renown "special" which is quite fine by me. The only issue I have is that it starts too early. It should be put after most of the really desirable stuff has been acquired so to not lock out casual guilds out of most of the goodies, not at 25 renown.
06-09-2010, 11:54 AM
grodon9999

One guild to rule them all.
06-09-2010, 11:54 AM
Angelus_dead

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Originally Posted by KingOfCheese

I agree that this should all go. But I do think a lot of people wanted/want this. Turbine circulated a survey on this exact topic and received a lot of player feedback. I suspect that they drew the line on the level of amenities, at least in part, based on this player feedback.

Game design does not work as a democratic endeavor. If you let players vote on changes then everything will just get buffed to absurdity.

Developers need to understand that only a few of the survey respondents will have really thought through the consequences of the changes they request. (And the people who considered it that deeply probably won't be able to fit their position in a neat little survey form)
06-09-2010, 11:58 AM
amnota

And in 6 months when every guild has a ship, no on will care who has what.
06-09-2010, 11:59 AM
Diib

/signed

Please don't destroy small guilds by giving significant advantages to larger guilds. Storage, shopkeepers, etc. are fine... but stacking buffs are not.

Please re-think this before launch turbine.
06-09-2010, 12:09 PM
Angelus_dead

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Originally Posted by amnota

And in 6 months when every guild has a ship, no on will care who has what.

New guilds will not have them, so there will be a strong disincentive for anyone to ever make a new guild when they could instead try to join an existing one.
06-09-2010, 12:19 PM
rdasca

Par for the course at Turbine, put something in with little to no thought on how the user base will feel about it.

I guess in this case Turbine wants less money, because seriously who is ever going to spend money to buy a guild charter again?

The idea that I can get extra stackable +DCs on my wizard yeah me, oh wait that toon is in a small guild guess she will have to move.

Extra bonus xp for my toons, man that TR gird just got easier, fell sorry for all of you that TRed before this happens.

Just in case anyone missed it, IMO this whole thing is a very bad idea!
06-09-2010, 12:20 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

New guilds will not have them, so there will be a strong disincentive for anyone to ever make a new guild when they could instead try to join an existing one.

Well, except for the fact to own a Airship of your own.
06-09-2010, 12:23 PM
moorewr

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Game design does not work as a democratic endeavor. If you let players vote on changes then everything will just get buffed to absurdity.

Developers need to understand that only a few of the survey respondents will have really thought through the consequences of the changes they request. (And the people who considered it that deeply probably won't be able to fit their position in a neat little survey form)

Amen. Take this quote to the bank.
06-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Angelus_dead

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

Well, except for the fact to own a Airship of your own.

How is that an incentive? Do you think the airship is going to be a rivalrous utility?
06-09-2010, 01:23 PM
Aspenor

May I ask why this thread was moved? Because the overwhelming support was just too much to bear, and it needed to go to a less used forum?
06-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Borror0

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Originally Posted by Aspenor

May I ask why this thread was moved? Because the overwhelming support was just too much to bear, and it needed to go to a less used forum?

I'm not sure the moderators understand the concept of an underused forum, which is unfortunate.
06-09-2010, 01:32 PM
Zenako

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Originally Posted by Borror0

I'm not sure the moderators understand the concept of an underused forum, which is unfortunate.

Well personally I just use the "New Posts" radio button all the time so forum siting matters almost nothing to me. However I know many choose to select a specific forum to browse and are not as ecletic as I in topics to consume.
06-09-2010, 01:34 PM
Aspenor

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Originally Posted by Zenako

Well personally I just use the "New Posts" radio button all the time so forum siting matters almost nothing to me. However I know many choose to select a specific forum to browse and are not as ecletic as I in topics to consume.

Also, not everybody knows how useful the New Posts link happens to be.
06-09-2010, 01:35 PM
Gol

/signed

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Originally Posted by Aspenor

Also, not everybody knows how useful the New Posts link happens to be.

and some of us just refuse to use it anyway.
06-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Eladiun

Don't like the implementation but I also don't feel it will have a large long term effect. I don't like the Gold Seal turbine point options and when this game requires TP to enjoy I will retire again.
06-09-2010, 01:36 PM
Deathseeker

I somewhat feel like there's a bit of jumping the gun on some of this (or maybe I'm a bit behind on the information flow)...

Do we have a clear understanding now of the "decay" mechanics associated with renown? If decay is tied to the number of guild members in some way, then this may not be so brutal on small guilds as is being assumed.

I am very excited about the airships and would rather have them in their current form than not have them. With that being said, I do agree with the following (which seem to be a common theme)...

1. Stackable resists of +30 to me are game changing, and not cool IMO
2. Stackable +2 to all stats, and +2 to damage, isn't game breaking but could become highly annoying

Here's my concern. I don't want to feel like have to run to the airship before very darn quest. I can just hear it now...."does everyone have their buffs? No? Please go to the airship and come back." This has the risk of going from being a nice bonus to being an expectation that is a chore to always have to do.

HOWEVER, the rest of the items (navigation, crafting alters, xp bonus, training dummy, guild chest) totally rock and I'd be very disappointed if those got removed or "alter"ed (pun intended).

So, to me it's rather easy...reconsider stacking buffs (resistance, stats and damage). Resistances are really the big problem, while the other two are more just a potential annoyance IMO.

One last shot...I haven't noticed all the "please don't nerf our dps" threads taking the new buffs into account. Granted they don't make up for the reduction, but it's another bit of power creep the other way that will probably continue to slowly keep rolling in.../ducks.
06-09-2010, 01:48 PM
LunaCee

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Originally Posted by cardmj1

umm.... they nerfed the bauble and ring of spell storing.

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Originally Posted by Tarrant

In a meeting right now, but I wanted to pop in here and share some news.

We're reverting the changes to these two items. Your Mysterious Bauble and Epic Spell Storing Ring will function just as they always have!

Didn't you get the memo? They decided to not kick that nerf over to live anyways.

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