Legendary level 30 or 31?

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Originally Posted by Weemadarthur

Thanks for the response but just to clarify and to make it easier for everyone to understand exactly which quests should and shouldn't give legendary xp going forth this does mean that only quests which have a base level of 30+ will be rewarding legendary xp when this is working correctly? By that I mean a level 29 quest on elite or reaper should not in fact reward legendary xp as they are in effect still level 29 quests just at higher difficulty rather than level 30+ quests?

As a side note and providing what I said above is correct have you considered removing the level increase due to increased difficulty? As running any quest on elite+ is a lot more difficult than running any quest 2 levels higher on normal the added levels shown by increasing difficulty actually makes no real sense anyway.

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Yes its base level 30

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Originally Posted by Steelstar

Legendary Experience
After you take your 10th Epic Level, you will begin earning progress towards your Legendary Levels by earning Legendary experience. You earn Legendary XP from any Dungeon, Landscape, or Raid that is of Legendary difficulty (meaning that its Base CR is 30 or higher). All dungeons that are currently Legendary will remain so after the Level Cap increase happens. This means that players looking for Legendary XP can earn it from over 100 quests, including the Isle of Dread! Once you have enough Legendary experience to level up, you may speak to the Fatespinner to take a Legendary level.

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Originally Posted by noinfo

I am sure Lyn can fix that typo in level 30 quests. Its almost like when they released them they didn't have the legendary concept in place. Oh wait, they didn't.

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It's not a typo actually, with U29 a decision was made by SSG to make only level 31 quests legendary: https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_29_Release_Notes (see quests and adventure area section near bottom of notes).

With that said, the change makes sense to me count level 30 quests for legendary xp. It's a good move by SSG.

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Originally Posted by slarden

It's not a typo actually, with U29 a decision was made by SSG to make only level 31 quests legendary: https://ddowiki.com/page/Update_29_Release_Notes (see quests and adventure area section near bottom of notes).

With that said, the change makes sense to me count level 30 quests for legendary xp. It's a good move by SSG.

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Your right its not updated.

Also all quests in 31 range report as epic (reaper) as well.

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Originally Posted by Cordovan

This is a bug, and one we intend to fix in the next game update. Base level 30 CR quests should be considered Legendary and give Legendary experience.

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It might as well be helpful to directly show the resulting XP in the quest summary, because now if you run a quest level 20-29 as a level 30, it might still show you at the beginning that you may get 30000XP, but if you finish you will actually get 0 as a level 30 character.

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Originally Posted by noinfo

Your right its not updated.

Also all quests in 31 range report as epic (reaper) as well.

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When you enter a level 30 quest it shows as epic while level 31+ quests show as legendary. That is not something new, it's been that way since U29.

I think this is a good change - so certainly not arguing the change, but there is a historical basis for why level 30 quests are flagged as epic. The devs changed their mind on the level split but the change didn't go through properly or they forgot to change it.

My group avoided level 30 quests due to the "epic" distinction which we were unsure about so fortunately we didn't get burned by the issue. It was worse than we thought though - we thought we would get rxp and no lxp and it turns out you don't get either.

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Originally Posted by Chacka_DDO

This is a clear contradiction to what we see currently in DDO and to all that you said so far, level 30 quests are considered epic in DDO
Take a look at this picture:


And now how it looks for a nominal level 31 quest:


It is not only like I say because it is pure and simple logic (20 heroic class level 1-20, 10 epic level 21-30 and 10 legendary level in the future 31-40)
Also so far almost everything in DDO confirms that so I have no idea why you keep telling such things.
It is really not that hard and no matter if you don't like me (for whatever reason) and wish I'm wrong what I say is simply right and logical correct!

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Are you aware that it's possible for more than one bug to exist? If they're explicitly saying level 30 quests will count for legendary experience, it's incredibly obvious that they intend to mark level 30 quests as legendary. That they are currently marked as epic (because of a decision made literally years ago when the cap was only just raised to 30) is completely irrelevant, not 'evidence' that Cordovan is for some reason lying to you.

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Originally Posted by SardaofChaos

Are you aware that it's possible for more than one bug to exist? If they're explicitly saying level 30 quests will count for legendary experience, it's incredibly obvious that they intend to mark level 30 quests as legendary. That they are currently marked as epic (because of a decision made literally years ago when the cap was only just raised to 30) is completely irrelevant, not 'evidence' that Cordovan is for some reason lying to you.

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Sure a lot of bugs and mistakes are in DDO and I'm not someone who condemns that, everyone does mistakes (of course also I) but if someone tells you your mistakes it is maybe smarter to just say: yes you are right and we now correct it.
And that nominal level 30 quests are currently labeled as epic is absolutely correct and consistent, the mistake is to now suddenly tell level 30 quests are considered legendary, they are not, only if you play them on hard or elite/reaper they are effective 31+ and then you can thread them as if they are legendary (not on normal)!

Again, I repeat the really easy and clear pattern how it is in D&D (to my knowledge) and also mostly in DDO:
20 heroic class levels (1-20)
10 epic level (21-30)
10 legendary levels in the future (31-40)

Anything that deviates from this simple logic is obviously not consistent and this no matter if another player says that or Cordovan or even Severin or Toledo (I hope they know it better).
And sure SSG can make any logical error in DDO they want but it remains a logical error anyhow!

For that reason, it makes logical no sense to call a level 30 quest legendary or an ML30 item legendary and I assume one doesn't need to be a "mastermind" to understand that.

And if you keep this simple pattern in mind then you should know how it SHOULD look like when the guys/gals from the SSG come to their senses:
A nominal level 29 quest is effective level 31 when you play them on elite and reaper and a nominal level 30 quest is level 31 on hard and 32 on elite and reaper therefore they should give experience for legendary character levels.
And this is not because I say it, I only point out how it is logically correct when SSG wants to have a consistent game.

And regarding the question, of if we should get no reaper experience anymore with a level 30 character in a nominal level 24-29 quest we have no announcement so far either (currently this is the case but the question is if this is actually intended).
This would be a "nerf" to the situation before U55.

And we also have no statement if we should not get reaper experience with a level 31+ character in nominal level 25-29 quests.
Because levels 31 and 32 are new character levels this is a new situation.

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Originally Posted by Chacka_DDO

This is a clear contradiction to what we see currently in DDO and to all that you said so far, level 30 quests are considered epic in DDO
Take a look at this picture:

https://i.imgur.com/4S9aJjc.png

And now how it looks for a nominal level 31 quest:

https://i.imgur.com/NeDMeFR.png

It is not only like I say because it is pure and simple logic (20 heroic class level 1-20, 10 epic level 21-30 and 10 legendary level in the future 31-40)
Also so far almost everything in DDO confirms that so I have no idea why you keep telling such things.
It is really not that hard and no matter if you don't like me (for whatever reason) and wish I'm wrong what I say is simply right and logical correct!

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What really makes zero sense is that grim in heroic is a lvl 14 while larcener is a 13.. why would they be swapped at high lvls??... lol.... I never paid any attention to this fact till now due to the bugged xp..

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Originally Posted by Chacka_DDO

Again, I repeat the really easy and clear pattern how it is in D&D (to my knowledge) and also mostly in DDO:
20 heroic class levels (1-20)
10 epic level (21-30)
10 legendary levels in the future (31-40)

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O.K. 1st up this does logically make sense. It is logically correct. Your only mistake is in believing that it is the only way that it can make logical sense and be logically correct.

Level 1-20 is heroic. No one disagrees with that. The catch is just where epic can start can be seen in a different way. Level 20 being in essence epic level 0 makes just as much logical sense. You end heroics at 20 and start your epic journey. 21 is your 1st taken epic level but the reset point being level 20 makes perfect logical sense. That's the end point of one and start of the other. The same applies to legendary. 30 is the last epic level. 30 is also where you start your legendary journey. Level 30 becomes legendary level 0.

This gives us :-

1-20 heroic
20-30 epic
30-40 legendary.

This makes just as much logical sense as your own argument and is how SSG (and Turbine before that) decided to implement the level increases. It is not a case of 1 being wrong and 1 being right it is just a different perspective. They are both logical and both correct.