Attention turbine and players

while all this is very interesting, what about the people who have played for 3 years and are still looking for the great uber loot that goes on the auction house @ 20mill plat? the only reason i still play the game is due to the social structure which of course is failing due to lack of content and the fact that most of the people i run with never and i mean never( get excited over a +1 tome) pull anything worth anything. Cannot even pull anything to trade for something decent. Random loot tables? A frog jumping from pond to pond is more random than the loot tables. Certain accounts have a blessing bestowed upon them and have the eye of the loot gods and they are the ones that pull the Good Loot. Everyone else is just S.O.L. and stuck, belittled and left behind.

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Originally Posted by Shadowbain

while all this is very interesting, what about the people who have played for 3 years and are still looking for the great uber loot that goes on the auction house @ 20mill plat? the only reason i still play the game is due to the social structure which of course is failing due to lack of content and the fact that most of the people i run with never and i mean never( get excited over a +1 tome) pull anything worth anything. Cannot even pull anything to trade for something decent. Random loot tables? A frog jumping from pond to pond is more random than the loot tables. Certain accounts have a blessing bestowed upon them and have the eye of the loot gods and they are the ones that pull the Good Loot. Everyone else is just S.O.L. and stuck, belittled and left behind.

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I've gotten way more stuff from the AH then the loot tables.... It seems keeping an eye out for a good deal is profitable... Save plat, put some stuff up yourself, makes some profit and buy something you need. If you been playing for 3 years you should have some end game toons that you could run for ingredients in the shroud all the time, and then trade them for what you need.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

Do you have a source to back a counter claim that there was no correlation between the depreciation of random loot and a drop in subscriptions.

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"I have a proof that alien exists. Now, do you have a proof that they don't?"

Unless you got a good source, whatever you "prove" is meaningless and not logically acceptable.

Biggest drop in subs was right after mod 1. IE random loot nerf did not make them go, completely changeing the game and its future focus made them go.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

"I have a proof that alien exists. Now, do you have a proof that they don't?"

Unless you got a good source, whatever you "prove" is meaningless and not logically acceptable.

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I'm not on the forums claiming dont.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

I'm not on the forums claiming dont.

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No, you're on the forums claiming "aliens exist"...

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Originally Posted by Borror0

No, you're on the forums claiming "aliens exist"...

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I thought you were the one who said they exist :p

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Originally Posted by Borror0

[I]"I have a proof that alien exists. ".

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Originally Posted by FluffyCalico

Biggest drop in subs was right after mod 1. IE random loot nerf did not make them go, completely changeing the game and its future focus made them go.

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We peaked right after mod 1 as the chart shows and then came close to peak or repeak mod 4 when gaint hold came out.... There were extra servers put in place to hold population. I think there was 7 or 8 servers at most.......... I cant really remember exactly when we went to 6 severs or more and the dates. I'm tired and it late.
Any remember the dates on when we went 6 plus servers?

My stance is this: random loot nerf and loot excitement drop was part of players leaving the game because I know players who left and asked them why, one of the common reasons was lack of loot excitement and not having fun with loot runs. Of course the popular answer was lack of content. Am I saying its the only reason or the main reason that population droppped? No, I'm not, but I am saying that it was a part of equation. On the other side of the coin, I think its apart of bringing new players in and keeping them here and old player back.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

No, you're on the forums claiming "aliens exist"...

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I'll pass on the circle jerk talk............

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Originally Posted by Borror0

No, you're on the forums claiming "aliens exist"...

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http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/im.../12/Office.jpg

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Originally Posted by FluffyCalico

I thought you were the one who said they exist :p

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Do I need to explain you what quotation marks are for? ;)

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Originally Posted by Borror0

Do I need to explain you what brackets are for? ;)

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for mounting pictures?

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

I think there was 7 or 8 servers at most..........

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There was 14 servers.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

I cant really remember exactly when we went to 6 severs or more and the dates.

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We went down from 14 to 5 servers on August 6th (with the first half of it being on August 2nd).

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

Am I saying its the only reason or the main reason that population droppped? No

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Clearly, you are. Otherwise you would have not cited the MMOChart website so often.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

There was 14 servers.

We went down from 14 to 5 servers on August 6th (with the first half of it being on August 2nd).

Clearly, you are. Otherwise you would have not cited the MMOChart website so often.

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Maybe you should read the post that cites the MMOChart website.

You left out the years... lets try how many servers at the end of mod one... what mod was it in when it hit 14. What mod was it in when it fell to 5. And what R the links backing the information

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

You left out the years...

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2007. August 2007. Less than four months after module 4.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

lets try how many servers at the end of mod one... what mod was it in when it hit 14.

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There was 14 servers at launch.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

And what R the links backing the information

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There are plenty. Here is one and here is another.

You didn't try that hard, did you?

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

We peaked right after mod 1 as the chart shows and then came close to peak or repeak mod 4 when gaint hold came out.... There were extra servers put in place to hold population. I think there was 7 or 8 servers at most.......... I cant really remember exactly when we went to 6 severs or more and the dates. I'm tired and it late.
Any remember the dates on when we went 6 plus servers?

My stance is this: random loot nerf and loot excitement drop was part of players leaving the game because I know players who left and asked them why, one of the common reasons was lack of loot excitement and not having fun with loot runs. Of course the popular answer was lack of content. Am I saying its the only reason or the main reason that population droppped? No, I'm not, but I am saying that it was a part of equation. On the other side of the coin, I think its apart of bringing new players in and keeping them here and old player back.

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Nope, the popularity or lach thereof is simply this.... DDO is a niche game..... It's a bit harder and more invovled as far as the learnign curve goes... It's simply not the easy gaem to fully master as WoW or the many others out there. It takes far longer to perfect your toons.... There's also no real PvP, and that takes away a big protion of the really individually competive youngins and or the need to be macho old folks.... D&D is centered on middle aged folks period.... People who're far less likely to even play video games.

#1 Niche game

#2 Harder to master

#3 Old folks (smaller demographic)

Rather simple huh.... It's simply not going to be a HUGE game... It's pointless to put millions more into a game that you won't get a proper return on investment....

Like it or not business is business...

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Originally Posted by Borror0

2007. August 2007. Less than four months after module 4.

There was 14 servers at launch.

There are plenty. Here is one and here is another.

You didn't try that hard, did you?

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Ok so if you read the main post you see that I talked about turbines first mistake being +1 loot weekends in mod 4 and powers 5's droping like rain. Now with your information I think its safe to say about 2 months in to mod 4 we have a repeak or close to peak of mod 1 population. After powers diluted its all down hill to the end of mod 5 with some correction with mod 6 but nothing that special... I guessing mod 6 brings maybey 50% correction from bottom with crafting, thus we have a direct correlation. Thx for the links ill add them.

Lets do this complete server history from release to drop to 5

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Originally Posted by Lerincho

for mounting pictures?

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Only extreme n00bs link images in web forum messages.

http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/...1237413688.jpg

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

I think its safe to say about 2 months in to mod 4 we have a repeak or close to peak of mod 1 population.

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This denotes a poor understanding of how industries work.

Their subscription could have gone bellow the threshold they wanted way before then (and it most likely had since pro-server merge threads were very common way before August). If the +1 loot weekend had such a negative impact, it would have presented itself later and Turbine would have not offered one directly after the merge!

More likely than not, the process was declared long before then and the population was probably what they wanted for a server way before then (probably not very long after launch). They were probably only hopeful that the population would climb back.

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Originally Posted by osirisisis

After powers diluted its all down hill to the end of mod 5 with some correction with mod 6 but nothing that special... I guessing mod 6 brings maybey 50% correction from bottom with crafting, thus we have a direct correlation.

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Does anyone understand what he is saying here?

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Originally Posted by Borror0

Does anyone understand what he is saying here?

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He's saying that if he was the head cheese for DDO..... Then it would have a WoW type player base and everybody woudl be happy.... :rolleyes:

I'm happy, well except for the occasional lagfests, and the long time between new content drops....

Overlal still well worth the U$15. a month I spend... Considering that only equates to about 1/2 hour of drinking in a bar IF I'm drinking slow ;) Or maybe 1, 2 hour long movie....