Prestige Enhancement List (Holiday Bonus!)

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Originally Posted by grausherra

Man, if only they could figure out some way to sell prestige enhancements in the DDO Store then they might actually bother to finish a few of the ones from the list!

Until then though I imagine we are SOL.

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By that logic, Druid, Psion, and Dragon Shaman would ALREADY be in stores.

Whether they're charging for it or not isn't going to make development any quicker.

EDIT: I feel I should clarify.

The reason why the DDO store charging for something would not increase the speed of completion is because that's not how the developers get paid.

The developers don't get paid on commission, they get paid by the company. They get paid by the company whether they're working on something for VIP, Premium, or F2P. As such, charging for it wouldn't actually change a thing except make the playerbase angry, which would harm the company as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Symar-FangofLloth

Kobold remember Prestige Promises.

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Heck, I remember the mod 3 promise of PvP leaderboards, let alone mod... 7 (or was it 6?) teases that they had it finally working.
But as I recall, Codemasters actually got it working for the EU side of things back then.

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Originally Posted by Missing_Minds

Heck, I remember the mod 3 promise of PvP leaderboards, let alone mod... 7 (or was it 6?) teases that they had it finally working.
But as I recall, Codemasters actually got it working for the EU side of things back then.

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Yes it was working on the EU servers.

Bump.

Teaser time.

Really?

I think the Devs have ALL "Unsubscribed" to this thread. I think it's very sad, and was one of the biggest teases of the game...

EDIT: I think or would be a great idea for them to expand the game by releasing a new box set for DDO and even a commercial or two if they announced a couple new races, classes and some new PRE's and of course the Spear (THF Puncturing). This would be big deal in the MMO community and probably pull back a few hundred thousand accounts. About three months into STOR would be perfect timing.

I got all excited, I thought I did I miss this thread last week.... Then I figured out this was from 2008.... :(

Yep, right on schedule..... :cool::rolleyes::o

BUT!!!!!!!!!! We have underwater combat! Oh and stupid fricken dogs.... :rolleyes:

If Drow scorpion wraith is the same as rogue assassin prestige - which wouldn't surprise me at all - WOW, it's so hard and impossible to INSERT that prestige with minor modifications (raise level by 2 - like Elf arcane archer) to Drow class prestige tree.

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Originally Posted by red_cardinal

If Drow scorpion wraith is the same as rogue assassin prestige - which wouldn't surprise me at all - WOW, it's so hard and impossible to INSERT that prestige with minor modifications (raise level by 2 - like Elf arcane archer) to Drow class prestige tree.

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The name "Scorpion Wraith" kinda makes me think of a Ninja Spy type of thing, except it locks out Rogue prestiges instead of Monk ones.

Was thinking about this today and thought I'd give an update as to the progress. It's kindof sad considering it's been 3 years.


Artificer: Battle Engineer, Runic Champion (?), Mastermaker (?) 1/9 - 1 that is 1/3 done, 2 that are just guesses as to the name
Barbarian: Frenzied Berserker, Occult Slayer, Ravager 1/3 - 1 fully done
Bard: Spellsinger, Virtuoso, Warchanter 2/3 - 3 that are 2/3 complete
Cleric: Exorcist of the Silver Flame, Radiant Servant, Warpriest 2/9 - 1 that is 2/3 complete
Favored Soul: Divine Avenger, Beacon of Hope, Angel of Vengeance 2/9 - 1 that is 2/3 complete
Fighter: Kensai, Purple Dragon Knight, Stalwart Defender 2/3 - 2 that are complete
Monk: Henshin Mystic, Shintao Monk, Ninja Spy 5/9 - 1 that's complete, 1 that's 2/3
Paladin: Defender of Siberys, Hunter of the Dead, Knight of the Chalice 3/3 - all 3 finished, and the only class that is such
Ranger: Arcane Archer, Deepwood Sniper, Tempest 5/7 - 2 complete, 1 at 1/3. Technically, the powers that be believe that AA is complete at 1/1. While I disagree, if they say it's complete then it's complete
Rogue: Assassin, Mechanic, Thief-Acrobat 7/9 - 1 complete, 2 at 2/3
Sorcerer: Acolyte of the Skin, Air Savant, Cold Savant, Earth Savant, Fire Savant 12/15 - 4 complete, 1 not even started (or you could say 1/2 if you lump the savants together as Elemental Savant, but I won't do that here)
Wizard: Archmage, Pale Master, Wild Mage 8/11 - 2 finished, 1 not even started

Human: Cannith Dragonmark Heir, Deneith Dragonmark Heir, Orien Dragonmark Heir, Tharashk Dragonmark Heir 0/12 - none, if you think each will be 3 tiers total
Dwarf: Kundarak Dragonmark Heir, Dwarven Defender [Counts as Fighter] 0/6 - none, even though stalwart defender is in the game and should be easy to move over
Elf: Arcane Archer [Counts as Ranger], Phiarlan Dragonmark Heir 1/4 - since AA technically only has 1 teir at the moment still
Halfling: Jorasco Dragonmark Heir 0/3 - not even started
Warforged: Warforged Juggernaut [Counts as Barbarian] 0/3 - not even started
Drow: Scorpion Wraith [Counts as Rogue] 0/3 - not even started, even though assassin is complete and should be the same PrE (since it count's as rogue)
Half-Orc: Who knows...we don't
Half-Elf: Arcane Archer, Who knows...we don't. Phiarlan Dragonmark Heir?

Edit: That's 51/121 total tiers. So prestige enhancements are 42.1% done three years later.


You finish these, and people have a reason to play the whole game all over again.

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Originally Posted by Pwesiela

Was thinking about this today and thought I'd give an update as to the progress. It's kindof sad considering it's been 3 years.


Artificer: Battle Engineer, Runic Champion (?), Mastermaker (?) 1/9 - 1 that is 1/3 done, 2 that are just guesses as to the name
Barbarian: Frenzied Berserker, Occult Slayer, Ravager 1/3 - 1 fully done
Bard: Spellsinger, Virtuoso, Warchanter 2/3 - 3 that are 2/3 complete
Cleric: Exorcist of the Silver Flame, Radiant Servant, Warpriest 2/9 - 1 that is 2/3 complete
Favored Soul: Divine Avenger, Beacon of Hope, Angel of Vengeance 2/9 - 1 that is 2/3 complete
Fighter: Kensai, Purple Dragon Knight, Stalwart Defender 2/3 - 2 that are complete
Monk: Henshin Mystic, Shintao Monk, Ninja Spy 5/9 - 1 that's complete, 1 that's 2/3
Paladin: Defender of Siberys, Hunter of the Dead, Knight of the Chalice 3/3 - all 3 finished, and the only class that is such
Ranger: Arcane Archer, Deepwood Sniper, Tempest 5/9 - 1 complete, 2 at 1/3. Technically you could say that AA is complete, but the fact remains that you only take AA:1 at lvl 6, and never get additional abilities at 12 and 18 like the other PrEs.
Rogue: Assassin, Mechanic, Thief-Acrobat 7/9 - 1 complete, 2 at 2/3
Sorcerer: Acolyte of the Skin, Air Savant, Cold Savant, Earth Savant, Fire Savant 12/15 - 4 complete, 1 not even started (or you could say 1/2 if you lump the savants together as Elemental Savant, but I won't do that here)
Wizard: Archmage, Pale Master, Wild Mage 8/11 - 2 finished, 1 not even started

Human: Cannith Dragonmark Heir, Deneith Dragonmark Heir, Orien Dragonmark Heir, Tharashk Dragonmark Heir 0/12 - none, if you think each will be 3 tiers total
Dwarf: Kundarak Dragonmark Heir, Dwarven Defender [Counts as Fighter] 0/6 - none, even though stalwart defender is in the game and should be easy to move over
Elf: Arcane Archer [Counts as Ranger], Phiarlan Dragonmark Heir 1/6 - since AA technically only has 1 teir at the moment still
Halfling: Jorasco Dragonmark Heir 0/3 - not even started
Warforged: Warforged Juggernaut [Counts as Barbarian] 0/3 - not even started
Drow: Scorpion Wraith [Counts as Rogue] 0/3 - not even started, even though assassin is complete and should be the same PrE (since it count's as rogue)

You finish these, and people have a reason to play the whole game all over again.

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This really is quite sad.

unless you're going to be ridiculous enough to claim that wizard is 8/9 complete because archmage has 5 tiers instead of 3 (making it 5/3 complete by your ridiculous method), it's completely inconsistent to claim that arcane archer is incomplete because of only having one tier (and a bunch of abilities that can be bought later on).

to be consistent, you must choose one or the other. personally, so far as i am concerned, the reasonable way of counting arcane archer is to count it as complete, but hey, if you wanna use your nonsense method of deciding how close things are to finished, that's your choice.

not all prestige enhancements have or need 3 tiers to be complete. the arcane archer has abilities going from 6-18 (or 8-20 for non-rangers), and is therefore complete as far as i am concerned.

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Originally Posted by Pwesiela

Paladin: Defender of Siberys, Hunter of the Dead, Knight of the Chalice 3/3 - all 3 finished, and the only class that is such

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While this is the only class that has 3 complete PrEs, one is hardly worth using beyond level 11, and the other is becoming less and less attractive. They're 100% complete and about 2/3 worthwile.

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Ranger: Arcane Archer, Deepwood Sniper, Tempest 5/9 - 1 complete, 2 at 1/3. Technically you could say that AA is complete, but the fact remains that you only take AA:1 at lvl 6, and never get additional abilities at 12 and 18 like the other PrEs.

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AA is technically a 5-tier PrE, and is done. If you check back at dev comments regarding it, this is how they view the Arcane Archer. I'd also basically count DWS as 0/3 as it is not worth the AP it costs to pick up, let alone stack up at all against AA.

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Originally Posted by sephiroth1084

While this is the only class that has 3 complete PrEs, one is hardly worth using beyond level 11, and the other is becoming less and less attractive. They're 100% complete and about 2/3 worthwile.

AA is technically a 5-tier PrE, and is done. If you check back at dev comments regarding it, this is how they view the Arcane Archer. I'd also basically count DWS as 0/3 as it is not worth the AP it costs to pick up, let alone stack up at all against AA.

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Whether or not you view it as worthwhile is irrelevant.

I'll be looking into the AA and the wizard archmage in a bit and may adjust my numbers accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Jaid314

unless you're going to be ridiculous enough to claim that wizard is 8/9 complete because archmage has 5 tiers instead of 3 (making it 5/3 complete by your ridiculous method), it's completely inconsistent to claim that arcane archer is incomplete because of only having one tier (and a bunch of abilities that can be bought later on).

to be consistent, you must choose one or the other. personally, so far as i am concerned, the reasonable way of counting arcane archer is to count it as complete, but hey, if you wanna use your nonsense method of deciding how close things are to finished, that's your choice.

not all prestige enhancements have or need 3 tiers to be complete. the arcane archer has abilities going from 6-18 (or 8-20 for non-rangers), and is therefore complete as far as i am concerned.

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This is why some classes, such as wizards, are considered 8/11, rather than /3 or /9. Wizard Archmage has 5 tiers, PM has 3, and I'll assume 3 for WM since that is the standard. I stand by my wizard being 8/11 complete.

As for the AA - I understand the argument that it is either 1/1 or 5/5. I haven't seen a dev comment on it. Should there be one, I'll be happy to revise. That having been said, unlike Wizard which is labeled Archmage I, Archmage II, Archmage III, Archmage IV, and Archmage V, each tier of which granting additional spell points in addition to the spell like abilities, AA has 1 current tier, listed as Arcane Archer I. AAI gives spell points and a True Strike. Afterwards, the +Arrows are not labeled as a tier, neither are the imbues. I therefore cannot agree with the 5/5 argument. The 1/1 may have a point, but only if there's a dev comment saying that it was/is a one tier PrE. (In which case, it would be the only one tier PrE.)

I leave my numbers as is until I get a link to a dev comment saying the AA is a 1/1 tier PrE. Until then, I will assume the standard 3 tier PrE, as I assume with any PrE that isn't started or otherwise labeled. (My search-fu is weak compared to many, so feel free to link it and correct me.)

As an aside, it would be relatively easy to make AA II and III, by simply add stacking spell points per tier, making some of the higher level imbues reliant upon tier II and III (depending on if you have to be higher than min lvl 12 or 18), and make some of the +Arrows tied to II and III so that you offset the AP cost of adding in new tiers (+1 at AAI, +3 at AAII, and +5 at AAIII).

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Originally Posted by Pwesiela

As an aside, it would be relatively easy to make AA II and III, by simply add stacking spell points per tier, making some of the higher level imbues reliant upon tier II and III (depending on if you have to be higher than min lvl 12 or 18), and make some of the +Arrows tied to II and III so that you offset the AP cost of adding in new tiers (+1 at AAI, +3 at AAII, and +5 at AAIII).

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There's no reason to change it, unless you feel it is somehow lacking.

Infinite +5 arrows that never need to be reloaded and Slayer Arrows are pretty good for 5 tiers of a PrE. It could use more, maybe, but that has more to do with how weak ranged is than anything else.

Insisting that it is only a 1-tier PrE, and that it is not done, when it has abilities that increase at evenly spaced levels all the way up to 18 is simply being obtuse.

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Originally Posted by Pwesiela

As an aside, it would be relatively easy to make AA II and III, by simply add stacking spell points per tier, making some of the higher level imbues reliant upon tier II and III (depending on if you have to be higher than min lvl 12 or 18), and make some of the +Arrows tied to II and III so that you offset the AP cost of adding in new tiers (+1 at AAI, +3 at AAII, and +5 at AAIII).

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At one point a dev did comment about smaller and more numerous tiers with a comparison using archmage and arcane archer. If I can find it in a reasonable amount of time I'll post it but I recall the same info and consider it completed.

First reaction: Holy Cr@p! They're doing this-- AWESOME!!

Second reaction: Holy Cr@p! This is from YEARS AGO!!

Third reaction: I wish I never saw this. Cause this is pretty freakin sucky in retrospect.



Having been here less than a year and half, I never saw this before. I can see how some vets would find the lack of progress here to be freakin depressing.


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That being said, I'm confident we'll see PrEs this year. But they have a long way to go. Yuck.

Pwesiela, arcane archer is 5 tiered and is complete, both for ranger and elf.

Deepwood sniper is currently 1 of 3, but it has been stated it was going to get reviewed before it was going to be continued. So you could count it as 1/3 or 0/3 depending on the point of view that 1 tier is in game even if it may get changed utterly.