BUG: Acrobat Alacrity Not Applying

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Originally Posted by Phax

Huh, this is very curious. Just to be clear, when you say 'click to attack' you are talking about clicking the right mouse button repeatedly, correct?

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Yes sir.

Mash right mouse button repeatedly, you can see the issue if you watch closely enough. There is an ever so slight hitch/pause (barely perceptable unless your really paying attention) between each animation segment as it connects, that is not there if you are using auto attack or just holding the right button.

This might just be an effect of being on Lama land, but I would assume we can isolate my machine and internet connection since it works fine on live.

I will do some further tinkering and see what happens if I turn off DX11.

I also can not confirm or deny any other weapon type, but I will try with my Kensai as well.

Okay so tested with Ghinsuu and I am seeing very similar results.

Based on the attack animation sequences being 4 animations to make a full sequences. A whole number denotes a full sequence and a .1 .2 .3 designates the animation in the chain when things ended. Listed in sequences per minute since you cant exactly count attacks on a TWF.

Toon is Halfling 20th Kensai weilding dual Min II with fighter capstone and all associated kopesh enhancements. With a haste and no other buffs.

Lamania
Click to attack 24 sequences per minute
Press and hold 26 sequences per minute

Live
Click to attack 26.2 sequences per minute
Press and Hold 26 sequences per minute

Looks to be ~ 10% alacrity loss by clicking to attack on Lamania W twf.
and a 1% alacrity gain on live by clicking to attack.

Same results using DX 9 10 and 11 on Lama land.


Hope this helps Phax. If there is anything else you want me to check, or if you need system or internet details just let me know.

When setting up my racecar people always call me crazy because I can tell when one tire is 1 pound light. Or when doing design work if something is 1/64" off center.

So don't take it personally, I am trained to notice little differences. :D

Any word?

Just want someone else to confirm.

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Originally Posted by The_Phenx

Any word?

Just want someone else to confirm.

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I'm about to try and repro the problem. I have what I think is a solid theory on why this is occurring, but before I can say for sure I need to do some testing.

Sweet. Just wanna make sure its either game wide or if I need to replace my everything. :D

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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Originally Posted by thoon

sad News On This One. While We Have Fixed The Issue, To Do It We've Had To Back Out The Repeating Crossbow Fix. We Aren't Happy About It, But Based On The Time Available It Is The Best Course Of Action. We'd Rather Keep The Repeater Bug Around A Bit Longer Than Negatively Effect Melee Attack Speed.

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:o

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Originally Posted by Thoon

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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Triage. I am sure 99% of people are going to be happy that mele attack speed is fine and the repeater bug lives a little longer.

Id ask what the issue was but I am sure its a crazy technical weirdness.

So for finding the problem do I get a cookie??? :D

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Originally Posted by Thoon

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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Well, it's good to hear that this issue has come to a speedy resolution.

because of 2 swings per minute? Granted the repeater bug is just as trivial....

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Originally Posted by Thoon

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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Boo.

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Originally Posted by Nyvn

Well, it's good to hear that this issue has come to a speedy resolution.

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Not a resolution :(

Oh well.

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Originally Posted by IronClan

because of 2 swings per minute? Granted the repeater bug is just as trivial....

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Huh?

Repeater bug is a LOT more than 2 swings per minute. Try 1-2 shots per round.

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Originally Posted by Thoon

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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But...the repeater fix is working on Lamannia right now. Why does the fix go away because of this? And ranged is already far worse off than melee.

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Originally Posted by Strakeln

Huh?

Repeater bug is a LOT more than 2 swings per minute. Try 1-2 shots per round.

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I probably expressed myself poorly.

I was trying to mullify the people who naturally consider a loss of 2 melee swings for EVERY melee character per minute to be more important than disapearing shots for repeater users who are vastly outnumbered by melee's ... hell massively outnumbered by bow users who are massively outnumbered by melees...

My point was not to minimize the long awaited fix of the repeater bug, but to comment on just how obessesive this forums user base has to be that the long awaited fix gets pulled due to a mysterious loss of 2 swings per minute for melees. I botched getting my point across (I'll blame the lack of coffee).

Now as for 1-2 shots per round, my repeater build seems to drop a shot every 5 or 6 reloads or so but that was at a mid level BAB and only rapid reload without rapid shot, so who knows.. Anyway I don't want to quibble obviously the repeater is losing a lot more DPS than 2 swings per minute loses for everyone else, especially if we grade on a curve that reflects how underpowered ranged already is.

I guess the rational here is something like: "don't want to make Khopesh swinging masses angry, they will flame us to high heaven on forums, better to pull the repeater fix and **** off much smaller mob that is already comfortable with their status as less optimal" And I guess that's a fair rational for Turbine... I was ready to give them some stuff over it, but now that I've written down here, I have to agree with the decisionif that's the case.

If they hadn't pulled it (reverted) I can see the outcry now: U MADE MAH SHROUD 8.6 SECONDS LONGER!!1111!11O!N!E!, AND FORCED ME TO USE 0.05 SP POTS MORE ON AVERAGE!!11!!! I WANT MAH 2 SWINGS BACK NAO!!11!!! Sorry perhaps a bit over the top...

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Originally Posted by Thoon

Sad news on this one. While we have fixed the issue, to do it we've had to back out the repeating crossbow fix. We aren't happy about it, but based on the time available it is the best course of action. We'd rather keep the repeater bug around a bit longer than negatively effect melee attack speed.

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Wrong choice on this. Repeaters are nigh unusable with that bug in place.

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Originally Posted by Coldin

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But...the repeater fix is working on Lamannia right now. Why does the fix go away because of this? And ranged is already far worse off than melee.

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my bet is there was a halo effect when the repeater bug was fixed that created the new issue. In troubleshooting they started bakcing out changes and determined this fix broke something else, and pulled it.

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Originally Posted by IronClan

I probably expressed myself poorly.

I was trying to mullify the people who naturally consider a loss of 2 melee swings for EVERY melee character per minute to be more important than disapearing shots for repeater users who are vastly outnumbered by melee's ... hell massively outnumbered by bow users who are massively outnumbered by melees...

My point was not to minimize the long awaited fix of the repeater bug, but to comment on just how obessesive this forums user base has to be that the long awaited fix gets pulled due to a mysterious loss of 2 swings per minute for melees. I botched getting my point across (I'll blame the lack of coffee).

Now as for 1-2 shots per round, my repeater build seems to drop a shot every 5 or 6 reloads or so but that was at a mid level BAB and only rapid reload without rapid shot, so who knows.. Anyway I don't want to quibble obviously the repeater is losing a lot more DPS than 2 swings per minute loses for everyone else, especially if we grade on a curve that reflects how underpowered ranged already is.

I guess the rational here is something like: "don't want to make Khopesh swinging masses angry, they will flame us to high heaven on forums, better to pull the repeater fix and **** off much smaller mob that is already comfortable with their status as less optimal" And I guess that's a fair rational for Turbine... I was ready to give them some stuff over it, but now that I've written down here, I have to agree with the decisionif that's the case.

If they hadn't pulled it (reverted) I can see the outcry now: U MADE MAH SHROUD 8.6 SECONDS LONGER!!1111!11O!N!E!, AND FORCED ME TO USE 0.05 SP POTS MORE ON AVERAGE!!11!!! I WANT MAH 2 SWINGS BACK NAO!!11!!! Sorry perhaps a bit over the top...

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The lost shots gets even worse at higher BAB's with haste. Sometimes I'll see it every other volley with at least one shot disappearing.

I mean..we finally, FINALLY, had a fix that worked. And now it's gone before we even got to enjoy on live. And, I really don't get why.

Why this fixed nullified the previous one. Why because it did, those lost melee attacks were considered more important than the repeater ones?

*thoroughly disheartened*

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Originally Posted by IronClan

I probably expressed myself poorly.

I was trying to mullify the people who naturally consider a loss of 2 melee swings for EVERY melee character per minute to be more important than disapearing shots for repeater users who are vastly outnumbered by melee's ... hell massively outnumbered by bow users who are massively outnumbered by melees...

My point was not to minimize the long awaited fix of the repeater bug, but to comment on just how obessesive this forums user base has to be that the long awaited fix gets pulled due to a mysterious loss of 2 swings per minute for melees. I botched getting my point across (I'll blame the lack of coffee).

Now as for 1-2 shots per round, my repeater build seems to drop a shot every 5 or 6 reloads or so but that was at a mid level BAB and only rapid reload without rapid shot, so who knows.. Anyway I don't want to quibble obviously the repeater is losing a lot more DPS than 2 swings per minute loses for everyone else, especially if we grade on a curve that reflects how underpowered ranged already is.

I guess the rational here is something like: "don't want to make Khopesh swinging masses angry, they will flame us to high heaven on forums, better to pull the repeater fix and **** off much smaller mob that is already comfortable with their status as less optimal" And I guess that's a fair rational for Turbine... I was ready to give them some stuff over it, but now that I've written down here, I have to agree with the decisionif that's the case.

If they hadn't pulled it (reverted) I can see the outcry now: U MADE MAH SHROUD 8.6 SECONDS LONGER!!1111!11O!N!E!, AND FORCED ME TO USE 0.05 SP POTS MORE ON AVERAGE!!11!!! I WANT MAH 2 SWINGS BACK NAO!!11!!! Sorry perhaps a bit over the top...

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The issue was quite a bit more significant than what you took away from it.

It was between 10-22 swings a minute for a mele, NOT 2, and not just kopesh weilders, every toon swinging a weapon in game, when using clicking to attack as opposed to auto-attacking.

The VERY significant issue which would effect the entire game is a blanket 10-20% alacrity loss, and that is what caused them to pull the repeater fix.

Please read all the data and understand it before you start throwing tomatoes.

I've got to admit I'm really disappointed by this. I loose 1 or 2 shots a round on my repeater most of the time. I was soloing a lowbie quest for favor yesterday and was often loosing all three bolts, which certainly made things interesting and frustrating.
I've been longing for this fix ever since I took up my mechanic / repeater build (and invested a lot of plat in getting my collection of repeaters for all situations).
Thoon, is the bug going to be addressed after launch, or is it going to be tackled U8 / U9? I'm farming for my first GS weapon, and I'm starting to think I should re-spec and make it a khopesh. Not as fun, but less of a joke...

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Originally Posted by The_Phenx

The issue was quite a bit more significant than what you took away from it.

It was between 10-22 swings a minute for a mele, NOT 2, and not just kopesh weilders, every toon swinging a weapon in game, when using clicking to attack as opposed to auto-attacking.

The VERY significant issue which would effect the entire game is a blanket 10-20% alacrity loss, and that is what caused them to pull the repeater fix.

Please read all the data and understand it before you start throwing tomatoes.

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So, hold down the mouse button instead of clicking like a madman. The fact that you're even getting extra attacks by hammering the button smacks of an exploit to me.