EK Imbue damage hit on live but not lama

As title says the eldritch knight imbue damage got hit the same way(15% to 10%), probably being counted as spells now which is incorrect obviously because they aren't spells nor SLAs, they are a toggle.
Every other imbue both melee power and spellpower alike have been hit with the caster nerf as well.
Also this was not the fact on Lamaland they were untouched as they should've been. Just a mistake that needs to be fixed asap!

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Originally Posted by stealing-monkey

As title says the eldritch knight imbue damage got hit the same way(15% to 10%), probably being counted as spells now which is incorrect obviously because they aren't spells.
Also this was not the fact on Lamaland they were untouched as they should've been. Just a mistake that needs to be fixed asap!

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Hrmm, I thought they were treated as spells to benefit from threat reduction or threat increase to allow the base class to tank or dps. It was one of the selling points over Inq. imbue, in that you could alter the threat on it.

I had a feeling spell powered imbues would get hit. I wonder which other ones were hit.

melee power imbued also got hit negating this theory fully so it was in fact a mistake

+1

That is very unpleasant

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Originally Posted by stealing-monkey

melee power imbued also got hit negating this theory fully so it was in fact a mistake

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Do melee powered imbues scale off melee threat or spell threat?

Did any imbues not get hit?

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Originally Posted by Tilomere

Do melee powered imbues scale off melee threat or spell threat?

Did any imbues not get hit?

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more than likely spell threat

As far as i know every one as gotten hit, which again it wasn't like this on lamannia at all

Do metamagics like maximize affect imbue damage? If imbues are treated as spells from now on then by all rights they should.

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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon-Jim

Do metamagics like maximize affect imbue damage? If imbues are treated as spells from now on then by all rights they should.

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If you want to pay those 16 spell points per hit I guess we could discuss this :-D

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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon-Jim

Do metamagics like maximize affect imbue damage? If imbues are treated as spells from now on then by all rights they should.

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No, Imbues cannot be maximized AFAIK

It wouldn't be the first time they added/changed something between Lam and live. It usually is in the release notes.

It could be a mistake or it could be WAI.

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Originally Posted by LurkingVeteran

If you want to pay those 16 spell points per hit I guess we could discuss this :-D

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I guess I dug my own grave with this one....

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Originally Posted by LurkingVeteran

If you want to pay those 16 spell points per hit I guess we could discuss this :-D

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If they are treated as spells but cost no spell points to use, then they are spell-like abilities and you won't be paying any spell points for hits.

Oh sorry

:-D

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Originally Posted by AustrianDeathMachine

It wouldn't be the first time they added/changed something between Lam and live. It usually is in the release notes.

It could be a mistake or it could be WAI.

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Definitely not WAI because it's hitting ALL IMBUES both MP and SP based, the notes specifically say CASTER DAMAGE for the 15% to 10% for r10 and the imbues get hit the same way. You can't justify the MP imbues being categorized with that on PURPOSE to say the least.

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Originally Posted by AustrianDeathMachine

It wouldn't be the first time they added/changed something between Lam and live.

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Lammania is only for things they need feedback on or they want to preview. The nerf was announced 6 months ago, in a roundabout way:

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Originally Posted by Tilomere

Inb4nerf (again)

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Originally Posted by Jeromio

Care to explain a bit more to us who lack detailed knowledge?

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Originally Posted by Tilomere

It doesn't have to do with this thread (although this definitely didn't help), but with the economic model the game runs on. The game sells power, which can be purchased in the form of XP boosts/XP and applied to the power boost of choice (PL) and enables one to skip to the process of legendary power accumulation (SXp/RXp).

They ran out of iconic classes, and couldn't make a Sorc/Alc/Druid/Arti iconic, because AoE casters are optimal XP = Power earners, which would cut into their economy above permanently as a player satisfied with a given rate of power accumulation may find it within a single time Sorc/Alc/Druid/Arti iconic instead of constant store purchases.

So they swapped to Archtypes, with the idea that they could only start as iconics close to legendary (RXp/SXp) power accumulation with store purchase of a +1 heart to be powerful for capstone-based power accumulation. This has the obvious flaw that one could throw away the entire archetype and all class capstones and be a capstone inquisitor without the +1 heart. Harper and Falconry have never been viable primary trees. Horizon Walker previously had bow nerfs applied to the point that people already complain a bow is painful to level so needed no such adjustment.

Inquisitor therefore was in the way of the new economic model, and therefore needed to be nerfed to the power of a non-capstone class build to reduce end game inquisitor power accumulation and protect sale of power. Vistani without imbues is so backloaded like bows it was not problematic but combined with imbues results in much the same effect as inquisitor.

Therefore, in a roundabout way, because they can't just charge $45 a month for a sub to pay for the lag reduction recoding and other improvements, inquisitor was getting nerfed, while the usage case of vistani combined with imbues was also getting a shave and a haircut, 2 bits. The nerf was, in a roundabout way, announced with archtypes as the developing business model six months or so ago.

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Or I could be wrong. I mean, I can only read between the lines, I'm not a mind reader!

It could be one of a few things:
A) A bug that needs to be fixed
B) A bug that devs are okay with since it's r7+ and they want people to have to work for things in there
C) Not a bug but a design choice that just wasn't in the patch notes

The problem is as players we rarely know which of these things is behind what we see in game. This is where communication from SSG is vital so players don't sit in the dark wondering what's what in a situation.

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Originally Posted by rabidfox

C) Not a bug but a design choice that just wasn't in the patch notes

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I've been thinking of a way to resolve both this and the VKF capstone complaints. We can just make all capstones require 20 levels in a single class. This would protect the archetype business model and allow reduced nerfs of imbues.

Otherwise VKF is going to get the same treatment as Inq.