So...VIPs are apparently getting hosed.

So reading the following announcement from SSG, VIPs are basically paying for what they're now giving away for everyone else now.

https://ddo.com/en/news/free-questin...ng-stone-games

Permanent +1% xp bonus per party member?! Are you guys kidding us right now?! Thinking about cancelling my sub now because due compensation for those of us that are actually paying for this game has been so outrageously lacking, what you've just announced here is an insult.

You gave us a crummy cake last time, now it appears you're giving us something (that doesn't quite belong) in a Mountain Dew bottle.

Don't be such a cheapskate. DDO needs money, and for the value, its the cheapest entertainment out of all the money I spend.

I don't know... If you really want to get the most bang for your buck as a VIP hasn't it always been a case of "do not buy any adventure packs, just pay for VIP"? In which case can't you just, I don't know, not use the code to permanently unlock all the adventure packs for free? And if you already paid for all the adventure packs but are also paying for VIP, why are you complaining about getting another perk?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ghwyn

Don't be such a cheapskate. DDO needs money, and for the value, its the cheapest entertainment out of all the money I spend.

---

Judging by the attempted snark in your last remark, I'm gonna assume my expenditures in this game have a couple more zeros behind them than yours. What SSG is offering those of us that are paying for what they're currently giving away to others for free is almost as insulting as what you just cavalierly said to me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

So reading the following announcement from SSG, VIPs are basically paying for what they're now giving away for everyone else now.

https://ddo.com/en/news/free-questin...ng-stone-games

Permanent +1% xp bonus per party member?! Are you guys kidding us right now?! Thinking about cancelling my sub now because due compensation for those of us that are actually paying for this game has been so outrageously lacking, what you've just announced here is an insult.

You gave us a crummy cake last time, now it appears you're giving us something (that doesn't quite belong) in a Mountain Dew bottle.

---

First we got the cake, now we get the crumbs. ;)

We all go crazy with our Masters Gift/Voice of The Master, so another 5% is beneficial. Only issue is needing to party for it.

Giving away adventure packs for free is a way to keep the newer players, more xp is getting older players to pug and group more.

VIP still has all races and classes, so you save a few there, and also 10% xp

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by myliftkk_v2

First we got the cake, now we get the crumbs. ;)

---

An accurate analogy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

Judging by the attempted snark in your last remark, I'm gonna assume my expenditures in this game have a couple more zeros behind them than yours. What SSG is offering those of us that are paying for what they're currently giving away to others for free is almost as insulting as what your just cavalierly said to me.

---

What you paid for overtime has became old content. Just like cars and phones, overtime their values decrease. This is just the adventure packs decreasing

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BandVP

What you paid for overtime has became old content. Just like cars and phones, overtime their values decrease. This is just the adventure packs decreasing

---

LOL! Did you even think that through? I mean, why am I still paying full subscription price? Am I going to be refunded what I paid over the same period? They just tried to pay me for this **** with a crummy cake, now a measly xp boost.

If SSG wants to lose significant numbers of VIP subscribers, they just created the perfect environment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

Judging by the attempted snark in your last remark, I'm gonna assume my expenditures in this game have a couple more zeros behind them than yours. What SSG is offering those of us that are paying for what they're currently giving away to others for free is almost as insulting as what your just cavalierly said to me.

---

So if I understand your stance,

• you're insanely furious that SSG is trying to attract new users to a product
• that is FAR past the "obsolescence" phase of the software product life cycle
• on the basis that you've enjoyed it sometime in the past
• and now are extremely resentful others might also enjoy it now
• for LESS than you originally paid
• sometime in the past?

I guess you've never bought a new car, much less a new video game?

Sure the VIP experience might not knock MY socks off, but you'll still get access to content that others have to purchase. The only content I've purchased recently was Ravenloft, and Temple prior to that. You'll get Sharn, plus maybe Rage & Artificers (I don't know for sure) while I don't.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Merfyn

So if I understand your stance,

• you're insanely furious that SSG is trying to attract new users to a product
• that is FAR past the "obsolescence" phase of the software product life cycle
• on the basis that you've enjoyed it sometime in the past
• and now are extremely resentful others might also enjoy it now
• for LESS than you originally paid
• sometime in the past?

I guess you've never bought a new car, much less a new video game?

Sure the VIP experience might not knock MY socks off, but you'll still get access to content that others have to purchase. The only content I've purchased recently was Ravenloft, and Temple prior to that. You'll get Sharn, plus maybe Rage & Artificers (I don't know for sure) while I don't.

---

None of what you said there has any bearing outside of your personal bubble, simply because none if it is correct...and, I'm going to assume that you don't fully understand a very important concept: The fact that I'm CURRENTLY paying for what SSG is CURENTLY giving away for free.

If you can't see the disconnect there, then there's no further point in conversing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

Judging by the attempted snark in your last remark, I'm gonna assume my expenditures in this game have a couple more zeros behind them than yours. What SSG is offering those of us that are paying for what they're currently giving away to others for free is almost as insulting as what you just cavalierly said to me.

---

Actually, as someone who bought almost ALL adventure packs before going VIP (only missing WPM and LG) I'm pretty glad to be a VIP right now.

And notice that getting all that for free is only temporary offer, after it passes, well, as an old saying in Croatia says: "Prošla baba s kola?ima".

Most common complaint I saw against DDO was that many quests were beyond paywall, which has put off potential players more often than I'd like to remember seeing.

Plus, there are more "VIP exclusive" stuff than free access to non expansion content.

VIP will still be worth it for all the other benefits: DDO points, gold rolls, races, classes, XP boosts, character slots, bank space...
and ALL other Adventure Packs releasing after August.

I'm VIP and have been for a very long time, and I'm super excited about this!

VIP now get a stacking mini-buddy bonus all the time. That's awesome!

More people will now have access to everything I have access to and thus more grouping opportunities.

My friends (and strangers) who do not have as much money to spend as I do have a chance to fully experience the game I love with me.

(part of me also wants to/is going to point out some of the 'irony' of all of this. VIP don't get enough for being VIP! ok, here is an exclusive event server, hardcore, just for VIP. How dare you give something just for VIP membership! RAGE! btw, we love the buddy bonus weekends, can you make it permanent. How about we reward VIPs a bit more by giving them a permanent version that also stacks with everything else too? Not good enough! huh?)

Besides, VIP isn't purchasing packs, it's renting them. Perhaps the best plan for you is to drop your subscription and use the coupon code to get permanent access to everything regardless of your status. Great! Even though I too have probably spent more than I should have on this game, I personally would rather continue to support the game I enjoy while also enjoying the other perks of VIP. Bonus exp, bonus grouping exp, 500 extra DDO points each month, higher public zone move speed, etc.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

So reading the following announcement from SSG, VIPs are basically paying for what they're now giving away for everyone else now.

https://ddo.com/en/news/free-questin...ng-stone-games

Permanent +1% xp bonus per party member?! Are you guys kidding us right now?! Thinking about cancelling my sub now because due compensation for those of us that are actually paying for this game has been so outrageously lacking, what you've just announced here is an insult.

You gave us a crummy cake last time, now it appears you're giving us something (that doesn't quite belong) in a Mountain Dew bottle.

---

I cancelled my VIP and now I can not access Epic Destinies - Even though I own MoTU.

Eh, I doubt you'll find much support on the forums for your outrage. The vast majority of DDO players are not VIP and will just see this as a total win for them. Then there's people like me - I've always been VIP since the beginning but I plan on cancelling my subscription once it all goes free. Not out of spite, mind you. To the contrary, I think it's fantastic that I no longer have to pay monthly to access all that content. As for the money I have paid up until then, that's fine. I got full access to content while others couldn't, which seems fair to me.

That being said, I have no idea what SSG is thinking. All the VIP guildies I've spoken to today also plan to cancel their subscription once they get the coupon. The remaining VIP extras just aren't worth it. I guess SSG just plans to get new subs to replace the old ones after the free period ends and the coupon expires.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AstorPotamus

Judging by the attempted snark in your last remark, I'm gonna assume my expenditures in this game have a couple more zeros behind them than yours. What SSG is offering those of us that are paying for what they're currently giving away to others for free is almost as insulting as what you just cavalierly said to me.

---

there are only 2 packs i don't own. one of which i wouldn't have bought anyway, and still haven't run, even tho it's free to me now

there is only 1 race, and 3 iconic races that i don't own

there is only 1 class i don't own

i bought all the expansions, two of which i went all in for, buying the top dollar collector's edition.


i am very excited and happy about this news.

Okay everyone, I guess I need to point out exactly what I'm riled up about here.

I'm cool with them giving away the farm to extend the shelf life of the game, but what they're offering VIPs in return is lacking, at the very best.

Don't stop there.

Honestly, they should also be giving VIPs a full suite of (hopefully dupe-proof) ottos boxes and say, "Here ya go, enjoy your free life, and thank you for paying for what we've been giving away to others for free for the last several months."

I've been VIP forever ( Almost literally as far as DDO game history goes) and I enjoy every minute I spend in this game.
One other perk of VIP that I have found most enjoyable is access to participate on the HCL Servers.

I personally do not feel cheated and having a permanent buddy bonus is quite exacting to me.

We're still getting what we paid for, even if others are getting most of it for free. So it's not breach of contract or anything like that.

It's like Raid Bypass Timers - I bought a bunch of discounted RBT shortly before they introduced Legendary Raids, planning on using them in the upcoming raids, but then they introduced the Legendary RBT. Technically they were correct that the RBT can be used in all the raids that existed when I bought them, so I had no reason to complain.
You're still getting what you paid for.

It is making me reconsider extending my VIP subscription, as there doesn't seem to be much value in it, compared to Premium.