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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.14 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Human Male (18 Fighter \ 2 Rogue) Hit Points: 450 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 19\19\24\29\29 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 11 Will: 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 15 24 Dexterity 12 15 Constitution 14 18 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 16 19 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 6 Bluff 3 4 Concentration 2 4 Diplomacy 3 4 Disable Device 5 18 Haggle 7 8 Heal -1 0 Hide 1 2 Intimidate 7 45 Jump 6 17 Listen 3 4 Move Silently 1 2 Open Lock n/a 3 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 2 Search 1 10 Spot 3 4 Swim 6 10 Tumble 5 6 Use Magic Device 7 27 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Intimidate (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Listen (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Swim (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I Level 2 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Trip Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Level 3 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Level 4 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I Level 5 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II Level 6 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Level 7 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Resilience Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 8 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III Level 9 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II Level 10 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+10) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery II Level 13 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I Level 14 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Level 15 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV Level 16 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Level 17 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate III Level 18 (Fighter) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate IV Level 19 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Level 20 (Fighter) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization II Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

My concerns:

1) 2 Rogue levels - for evasion? Realise you'll have two sets of armour then - one for 'tanking' one for evasion quests, which is fine - just letting you know.

2) Str need to be higher. Probably 16. Level ups here
Cha can be lower - you'll get high enough intim anyway. On a Human you could probably get away with 10, maybe 12. Definitely no level ups.

3) Shield Mastery - probably isn't worth it. Getting an extra couple of points while shield blocking isn't going to make much difference.

4) DM Line - seems really expensive, 3 feats for 6 more intim (plus you take bull headed and skill focus). I'd probably just take one DM, neeting you a very handy +3.

5) Resilence - I can't imagine this being particularly useful. Although I guess it could synergise with evasion.

6) Improve Critical- I could have missed because I don't like that layout, but you seem to have missed this feat. In fact two improve crits can be nice - I like slash and pierce myself.

you can spend 6 more action points because the skill enhancements only cost 1/1/1/1 now :)

Actually, with that particular build, you're unlikely to get your AC into a meaningful range. Evasion/Light Armor isn't going to notably change your AC.

Therefore, every point of DR you can get is useful.

You're going to need a big boatload of hitpoints, as much Healing Amplification as you can find, and a big pile of Heal scrolls (which is why you take Rogue for UMD).

Since this guy is spending 5 feats for Intim skill, he's going to be one of the very few with the skill to pull off stuff like tanking Epic Demon Queen. For that reason, I suggest Chaotic Neutral alignment. I know that at least a chunk of her melee damage is Anarchic in nature, and can be avoided with a Chaotic tank.

Oh...and you might consider Combat Expertise rather than Resilience.

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Originally Posted by Entelech

Since this guy is spending 5 feats for Intim skill, he's going to be one of the very few with the skill to pull off stuff like tanking Epic Demon Queen.

You can get there without spending five feats and a bucket load of cha (of course those additions do help).

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Originally Posted by Entelech

Actually, with that particular build, you're unlikely to get your AC into a meaningful range. Evasion/Light Armor isn't going to notably change your AC. He could wear heavy armor and lose the evasion if he needed the extra ac. he would have to weigh the pros and cons of the encounters.

Therefore, every point of DR you can get is useful. Im a fan of all or nothing. If hes going for dr he should max it, if not, he should dump it for more viable feats

You're going to need a big boatload of hitpoints, as much Healing Amplification as you can find, and a big pile of Heal scrolls (which is why you take Rogue for UMD).

Since this guy is spending 5 feats for Intim skill, he's going to be one of the very few with the skill to pull off stuff like tanking Epic Demon Queen. This is getting easier and easier, and I suspect once he acquires more gear, he'll be dropping some of those feats.
For that reason, I suggest Chaotic Neutral alignment. I know that at least a chunk of her melee damage is Anarchic in nature, and can be avoided with a Chaotic tank.Or he could block, which is what hes going to have to do if he doesnt want to be on his back

Not horrible, but there are some tweaks you need to make. Some have been touched on here, others can be done once you acquire more gear.

Yeah thats the idea behind this toon.

Its an intimi build built for Epic Demon Queen.

Ive already got Combat Expertise added in so no need to drop Resiliance for it. It's already in the build@lvl9.

Probably wont worry about improved Crit. Might make a min2 item...undecided.

Yes will craft healing amp, HP and Conc Opp shroud items for this toon. Didnt bother posting that because it seems like its worrying about "the cart before you buy the horse".

Yes am planning on using different armor when tanking and evasion quests.

Yeah Quikster youre right, I would be dropping some feats as I acquire gear. The idea is to get to epic Demon Queen without being too gear needy to do it...yet.

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Originally Posted by treas7

Yeah thats the idea behind this toon.

Its an intimi build built for Epic Demon Queen.

Ive already got Combat Expertise added in so no need to drop Resiliance for it. It's already in the build@lvl9.

Probably wont worry about improved Crit. Might make a min2 item...undecided.

Yes will craft healing amp, HP and Conc Opp shroud items for this toon. Didnt bother posting that because it seems like its worrying about "the cart before you buy the horse".

Yes am planning on using different armor when tanking and evasion quests.

Yeah Quikster youre right, I would be dropping some feats as I acquire gear. The idea is to get to epic Demon Queen without being too gear needy to do it...yet.

While i respect your desire to tank epic liliat, think about this. Epic DQ is one raid that takes about 10 minutes or less, and about 5 of that is spent on liliat. Your mileage will vary depending on the group, but the point is it doesnt last that long. An intimitank is certainly nice in there, but by no means necessary. You are sacrificing a lot to be able to do 2 raids on the hardest difficulties. You will feel the sacrifice in the other 99% of the game much more than you will get the satisfaction of tanking those two raids for a short period of time before you acquire gear.

I certainly understand teh lure in playing an intimitank and tanking epic liliat as evidenced by the builds i have made/posted, and the epic dq vid i did. But take this from someone who has made the same mistake, you will regret giving up so much dps to be able to intim for 10 minutes or less in two seperate raids.

I would work on being more well rounded, with the idea of being able to intim the hardest bosses after a few pieces of gear (epic intim item, +6 shroud item, cl favor, etc, hogf etc.)

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Originally Posted by Quikster

I certainly understand teh lure in playing an intimitank and tanking epic liliat as evidenced by the builds i have made/posted, and the epic dq vid i did. But take this from someone who has made the same mistake, you will regret giving up so much dps to be able to intim for 10 minutes or less in two seperate raids.

I would work on being more well rounded, with the idea of being able to intim the hardest bosses after a few pieces of gear (epic intim item, +6 shroud item, cl favor, etc, hogf etc.)

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I'm also goint to suggest dropping the lesser and greater DMs, the +2 intimidate really isn't worth it. Force of personality would be a good feat, weapon focus and specialization, quickdraw (speeds up cooldown after intimidating/action boosts).

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Originally Posted by EKKM

I'm also goint to suggest dropping the lesser and greater DMs, the +2 intimidate really isn't worth it. Force of personality would be a good feat, weapon focus and specialization, quickdraw (speeds up cooldown after intimidating/action boosts).

in fact i would say, any predominantly fighter build MUST have the highlighted feats

The build is what it is. It exists to do epic Lailat and elite Hound.

Im aware its not going to be the most fun toon to level but that's not the point behind the build.

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Originally Posted by treas7

The build is what it is. It exists to do epic Lailat and elite Hound.

Im aware its not going to be the most fun toon to level but that's not the point behind the build.

You do realize that your just throwing out some advice from people that have played several intimitanks to various level caps for several years right?

That said, enjoy.

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Originally Posted by treas7

The build is what it is. It exists to do epic Lailat and elite Hound.

Im aware its not going to be the most fun toon to level but that's not the point behind the build.

I don't understand why you would post a build and then say the above.

Part of the point of what we are trying to say is that you can do those without the two extra DM feats.

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Originally Posted by treas7

The build is what it is. It exists to do epic Lailat and elite Hound.

Im aware its not going to be the most fun toon to level but that's not the point behind the build.

In another thread, I've shown how a fighter can intim dq or hound without sacrificing much in other areas