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09-10-2010, 03:28 AM
erikbozelie

Newly build

Hey folks, dungineers … and others,

These days ive been running around with one stupid idea that might actually work…. So I want some opinions before I actually going to make it

Roque1, monk2, wizard 17

Point buy:

base Racial level enhancement tome Stance Exceptional Action points Total Mod
Str 8 -2 -6 -2
Dex 14 2 6 2 2 2 28 9
con 14 -2 12 1
int 18 5 6 3 3 3 38 14
wis 14 6 2 22
cha 8 8

Skills into: disable device, search, umd, concentration. Then some into hide ( ill come back on this ).

Starting level roque will give me 4 ranks into tumble, and jump and other essentials.

Feats:
Level;
1:Least dragonmark of healing
3:Lesser dragonmark of healing
6:Mental toughness
9:Greater dragonmark of healing.
12:Greater spell focus: necromancy
15:precision
18:toughness

Wizard class:
1:Maximize spell
5:Empower spell
10:Spell focus: necromancy
15:Extent metamagic

Monk class:
1:weapon fitnesse
2:two-weapon-fighting

Armor Class
Base 10
Dex 9
Wisdom 6
armor 6 ( DT armor)
insight 4 ( DT armor)
chaosgarde 2
Shield 4
centered 1
alchemic 1
deflection 5
Natural 3
Size 1
Haste 1
Clattering ring 3

Total: 55 base
Not the best ac out there, but with 66% miss chance from displacement and wraith form wielding 2 vorpel kama’s this might be nice.

Ow yeah the kama’s

Attack
Bab 10
dex 9
2w fighting -2
competance 2
precision 4
Weapon itself 5
GH 4

total 32 to hit

Well most people favor lich form for the increased int, DC and other stuff.
I mostly favor the wraith form for the increased miss chance which stacks with displacement.
Wrath form also grands an large bonus to move silently, that with some items, GH, should make an decent sneaky vorpeller.

Other idea:
Dump melee and put it all into ac.
Armor Class
Base 10
Dex 9
Wisdom 6
armor 8
Dodge (icy rainment ) 4
Insight ( GS item) 4
Shield 4
centered 1
alchemic 1
deflection 5
Natural 3
Size 1
Haste 1
Clattering ring 3

Total: 60

Replace precision feat with combat expertise and ac 65. 66 with dodge.
Will climb with pally aura, 5 natural etc.

with this idea will also allow me to chance the 2 monk feats into toughness,etc / whatever is usefull.

Yes I will have problems getting all of this into item slots. This is an consept only, requires an 34 pt build.
I favor the dragonmark of healing > warforged because it doesnt suck up your spell points. and this really rox, hard. ive done with 2 times before with other arcanies.

So what do you guys think?

Edit: other then i should probally get an life ;)
09-10-2010, 03:58 AM
r3dl4nce

Halfling dragonmarks are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WORSE than quickened reconstruct. You can have a lot of reconstructs, while healing from dragonmarks is limited. And when you don't need quicken reconstruct, you can use scroll so no use of SP either. Go warforged.

Don't go with a 2WF without taking all the 3 TWF/ITWF/GTWF or you will have a great loss in dps. Go higher STR and go with 2hand weapon. I don't see power attack and improved critical in you feat list, you are not meleeing without P.A., you can skip IC:slash if you wanna go with a mineralII weapon. Precision is a useless feat. I can't see Insightful Reflexes too.

Rethink about warforged 17wiz/1fighter/2rogue with insightful reflexes, greataxe and power attack.
09-10-2010, 05:45 AM
erikbozelie

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Originally Posted by r3dl4nce

Halfling dragonmarks are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WORSE than quickened reconstruct. You can have a lot of reconstructs, while healing from dragonmarks is limited. And when you don't need quicken reconstruct, you can use scroll so no use of SP either. Go warforged.

Don't go with a 2WF without taking all the 3 TWF/ITWF/GTWF or you will have a great loss in dps. Go higher STR and go with 2hand weapon. I don't see power attack and improved critical in you feat list, you are not meleeing without P.A., you can skip IC:slash if you wanna go with a mineralII weapon. Precision is a useless feat. I can't see Insightful Reflexes too.

Rethink about warforged 17wiz/1fighter/2rogue with insightful reflexes, greataxe and power attack.

thanks for the reply!
warforged are an plus then,

anyway about the melee thing,
only way i see how to get some decent killrate is by using specialisted weapons such as vorpels, high crit banishers, smiters etc, on an dex based atack. or killing by damages such as sneak atack, holy, acid, etc.

vorpels still need an high to hit because you need to confirm an natural 20 to behead. <- which is why i took precision.

its already an 34pt build, cant see how i could get an decent amount of strength without losing its int or ac

reflexfull insight is usefull, but not an complete must with 28 dex although it is another +5 reflex ;)

ive tried an melee wizard before, got to level 3... but they are way! too! Squizy!. personally id think its an bad idea to melee on an wizard, but hey. would be funny to play (if it actually works).

its an wizard that has the posibility to melee, not an melee build.

maybe its smart to start throwing X(vorpel, banish, smite, paralyzers) daggers, skipping front melee all together.
09-10-2010, 06:01 AM
r3dl4nce

[QUOTE=erikbozelie;3257369]warforged are an plus then,[/QUOT]Melee arcane caster MUST be warforged. Stop.

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Originally Posted by erikbozelie

only way i see how to get some decent killrate is by using specialisted weapons such as vorpels, high crit banishers, smiters etc, on an dex based atack. or killing by damages such as sneak atack, holy, acid, etc.

Blah. No. Take a good greataxe, STR 16 base +2 tome +6 item + 3 exc +5 level up. Clickies of Divine power and go deal damage. Smiters, banishing can be useful 'till mid game. They are useless in end game. Vorpal can be useful in shavarath is you have a low dps, but nothing stops you from using 2 vorpal longswords with amster touch when you must, you'll have 4 attacks on main hand + 40% attacks on off hand without the TWF chain, but can be doable.

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Originally Posted by erikbozelie

vorpels still need an high to hit because you need to confirm an natural 20 to behead. <- which is why i took precision.

Precision is a waste, lower your dps, as i said stat damagers, banisher, smiters, stop working in high-end game and to hit with 2 vorpal weapons can easily be worked out.

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Originally Posted by erikbozelie

its already an 34pt build, cant see how i could get an decent amount of strength without losing its int or ac

Ac useless, drop dex, go for 16 str 18 int and put level ups in str if you want more melee power of in int if you want more casting power

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Originally Posted by erikbozelie

reflexfull insight is usefull, but not an complete must with 28 dex although it is another +5 reflex ;)

Drop dex

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Originally Posted by erikbozelie

ive tried an melee wizard before, got to level 3... but they are way! too! Squizy!. personally id think its an bad idea to melee on an wizard, but hey. would be funny to play (if it actually works).

warforged 17 wiz/2rogue/1fighter. Greataxe or epic SoS. No squishy. Very good Dps and Utility.
09-10-2010, 08:32 AM
Kriogen

My old wizzy hybrid was Human, Wizard17/Rogue2/Ranger1. It worked fine. Well, it had to as it was my main since 2006 :)

Some notes:
- not need for dragonmarks. UMD!
- Human Improved Recovery helped alot with self healing.
- Wizards Scroll mastery boosts divine cure/heal scrolls, wands and potions
- Human Skill Boost helped alot on Epic. Yes, had no problem with Epic traps
- I had enough DEX for Improved TWF. Didn't do much damage, but debuff/effect weapons worked good.
- Precision feat was NOT so good. I had it by the way. Regular buffs and DP clickies was more then enough for tohit.
- Vorpal was not so good. Had better results with standard damage, weaken/enfeeble or wound/puncture weapons. I was pierce speced. Pierce has the best selection of effect weapons.

That Human wizzy was assimilated by Borgs.