Request for build: Hagglebot

looking for the best haggle build out there. I am sure it is out there, but I could not find it. Mainly, I was not sure if Human Versatility stacked with rogue skill boost. I see most going for Bard builds. I think I was able to squeeze out a little more out of a rogue if they do stack:

Rogue (16):
19 from levels
10 from a charisma of 30 (18 start +4 levels +6 item +1 human +1 tome )
5 rogue skill boost
5 human versatility
3 skill mastery feats
3 skill haggle feat
2 negotiator
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Bard (16)
19 from levels
11 from a charisma of 33 (18 start +4 levels +6 item +1 human +1 tome +3 enhance)
5 human versatility
4 haggle enhancements
3 skill haggle feat
2 negotiator
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But maybe I missed something.

and maybe there is a blend that would even be better. also a bard would be able to cast GH on himself, unless a planar gird was aquired.

Human Versatility does NOT stack with Rogue Skill Boost, this is because they are on the same timer.

You also did not add in a Haggle item. Add +15. Shroud, etc.

Go bard if you want a hagglebot. Max CHA, respec at cap for haggle feats.

The reason most people go bard is because you can play a normal max-charisma human bard up to the cap and still have a very viable character. Once you are capped, you can swap out feats and enhancements in order to max out your Haggle if you want. On the other hand, a similar rogue build would be crippled by the stat allocation into charisma. Also, a bard can self-buff for another +5 to Haggle(GH and Focusing Chant).

No, Human Versitility and Class Skill boosts NO NOT stack.

ah.. the not-stacking issue solves it. I did not include items on purpose, since I was concentrating on the build. Is there any item that affects haggle besides +haggle and luck item?

The current maximum, without the level cap increased is 80.

19 Ranks
4 Greater Heroism
2 Luck
1 Focusing Chant
13 Charisma of 36
5 Human Versatility (20 seconds)
15 Haggle Item
3 Skill Focus: Haggle
2 Skill Focus: Negotiator
4 Bard Haggle Enhancement
2 Inspire Competence (from another bard)
3 Alchemical Potion (Eagle Skill +3)
1 Alchemical Potion (Influence +2)
6 Exceptional Charisma Skills (Green Steel)


ICIRIS

Other than the haggle and luck items, you can also get a Shroud item to add +6 to all Charisma skills that would stack. I think your max would be something like:

19 ranks
12 Charisma - 18(base) + 4(level-ups) + 6(item) + 2(tome) + 4(enhancements)
15 Haggle item
2 luck (Head of Good Fortune)
6 Shroud item
5 Human Versatility
4 Bard Haggle IV
3 SF Haggle
2 Negotiator
4 GH
1 Focusing Chant
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73 Haggle

House D potions might give you a small bump, but those are a pain to get for a minute difference.

Someone beat me to it, but both cover the same ground. I didn't include the potions or buffs you couldn't give yourself though.

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Originally Posted by Lucian Navarro

The current maximum, without the level cap increased is 80.

19 Ranks
4 Greater Heroism
2 Luck
1 Focusing Chant
13 Charisma of 36
5 Human Versatility (20 seconds)
15 Haggle Item
3 Skill Focus: Haggle
2 Skill Focus: Negotiator
4 Bard Haggle Enhancement
2 Inspire Competence (from another bard)
3 Alchemical Potion (Eagle Skill +3)
1 Alchemical Potion (Influence +2)
6 Exceptional Charisma Skills (Green Steel)


ICIRIS

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Not quite. The current max by my calculations is 84.

Here's what you left out:
+ 2 points from the monk buff
+ 2 points from the max cha of 42 (18 base + 4 level + 4 enh + 9 shroud + 3 tome + 3 alchemical pot + 1 abbot item) - your max showed 38.

this is my preferred hagglebot build. i used to do a healing spellsinger but found it too boring and gimped so i built this one instead. max damage song warchanter with max haggle.

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Level 16 Neutral Good Human Male
(16 Bard)
Hit Points: 166 (with equip mine has 272 hp atm)
Spell Points: 625 (mine has 800 atm)
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 11
Will: 18
                Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)      (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Strength            13                    13
Dexterity            13                    13
Constitution        14                    14
Intelligence          8                    8
Wisdom                8                    8
Charisma            18                    26
                Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills          (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance              5                    20
Concentration        6                    21
Diplomacy            8                    29
Haggle                8                    36
Perform              8                    27
Use Magic Device      8                    27
 
Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
 
Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
 
Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
 
Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
 
Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
 
Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Haggle
 
Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Warchanter I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Bard Haggle IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III

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