Reaper xp you get in a full life

[psykopeta]

so... this was my 1st life doing reaper on my main and i decided to do something... not very smart lol

i wanted to know what's the reaper xp you get in a life if you stick to:
- Doing every quest
- At base lvl (no penalty, ofc)
- R2, cause i think it's easy to keep it
- with 20% xp pot, cause you get it from collectables and... well, i think it's easy to keep
- no trap bonus, cause i wasn't being trapper this life, was not gonna use one and... well, not many times people joined my lfm (which were up most the time i played by the way)

the amount doing "every quest under lvl 20 on r2 at lvl with 20% pot on" is 165k xp, i know, it's not efficient, it's just the amount you set in your graphic comparing reaper xp between skulls and overlvl, and know where it hits, also at lvl 15 it was 102k

you know, i like using the 6h pot when it's almost out or once it's out before completing quest because... well, i always can do something without caring about the xp pot ticking, so it was not always on, i know i've completed under 10 quests w/o pot

also... i play in thelanis, it's a graveyard, i mean... nobody joined the quest lfm's... do you want me to wait for a raid to fill? i tried with von and adq but... well, didn't happen

also i wanted to do always R2 but sometimes you know there's some easy xp and wanted to check it... so did TS, all GH and vale on r3, the difference of xp is amazing (got more xp on vale on r3 than in wgu on r2 for example, 1,4k in coal vs... 900 or so in wgu)

that little extra xp from these quests i did on r3 and the weekend with extra reaper xp (i didn't play too much, in fact i'm not as active as before lol) helped to compensate the quests/raids i haven't done:
- smuggler's warehouse, stop hazadill's shipment and retrieve the stolen goods, i just did too many quests at lvl 2, i was annoyed at that point that i couldn't grab 3, but did the 1st part on r10, so that compensates too a bit
- kobold assault and gladewatch outpost defense, i mean, i won't waste my time in these quests, ever, too long for that lvl, specially with xp pot ticking lol
- devil assault, sorry, skipped it, however i doubt i can complete it, til few lvls later didn't get used to cone warlock (btw the warlock nerf got me at lvl 4, so... playing warlock after long ago, cone which i don't like too much and no reaper xp, won't help in there XD)
- von 5&6, adq2, titan raid and preraid, raver's fate, litany & abbot (i mean, i like my sigils too much like wasting them on that experiment XD), stealer of souls, shroud, HoX and VoD, MA & LoB, ToD and DD, i know... DD is not a raid, but it's lvl 20 XD

so i skipped 22 quests/raids and another 10 i haven't the 20% xp pot active, i think it's compensated by the few r3 i ran and the few quests i ran during the 20% extra reaper xp weekend

now it's time to look at that 4428 favor, check the favor rewards or turn in sagas, yes, got lots to turn in, and... there's no point since i'm already 20 lol guess will take tomes for PEDs

i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping

notice that did all lvl 19 quests being hardcapped for example, or at lvl 16 i did vale the last ones, so when i ran em i was hard capped, if they removed the xp bank/cap would be nice to see the total xp you could get running every heroic quest on reaper at lvl

PS: the toughest quest i faced was ETK cause in end fight we had 2 living meteor swarm light bearer and 1 firestorm skyborn, lovely indeed

[DrawingGuy]

I tried an R3 Kobold Assault... and, yeah, don't. Extremely tedious, and then when near the end I got a TWELVE Reaper spawn to flip the middle finger at my effort.

I also found the Warlock nerf only would really be felt at r1/2 where you could still 1-2 shot everything. It was a struggle trying to use Blast until level 4, but at that level you get web from TS. Just cast it every 6 seconds and kite everything into it investing into your Conjuration. Your Cone shape can hit more targets for more damage than chain can (though chain has it's place for scattered/farther targets or bouncing corners on a CCed melee to tag ranged mobs), and when you have things held in a nice little bundle by web or Evards, you can go to town. Quests with scattered ranged targets (especially up on ledges) that I couldn't just bundle up on my webs were the only real dangers beyond an unlucky reaper spam spawn. You don't need god-like damage when nothing can touch you due to kiting and CC. I went through 1-20 on r3/4 without too much struggle.

That said, interesting numbers. I have not been getting that much on my lives, but I also haven't been doing any capped runs just for RXP. I also haven't fallen into the trap of min/max grinding the easy RXP quests - I always hated doing that, and every life I do something different to try to keep it more interesting. Different chains, and a lot of my old Heroic/Epic PLs I just cranked up some music and did some mindless slayer/rares in open zones (I remember a 1-20 with zero quests project waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day). I'll try to remember to mark my Reaper XP to see how much my "inefficient" leveling nets me over a 1-20 life.

As for the PUG scene, it's been mixed for me. I've had days where not a single person clicks my groups, to days like today where I was able to fill a party completely in only a couple of minutes on every quest chain I did. I wouldn't call Thelanis dead at all, but after they get done with Ravenloft I do wish they would take a serious look at numbers and the technical issues they have on a Server merge. At that point we'll be past the Summer Slump that is typical for MMOs and under the influx of a new expansion - if the populations are not good then, they'll likely never be and is a serious flag for a merge.

That said, feel free to hit an LFM of mine when you see it and are in range. Or maybe we can even talk about a static. Even if it means it takes me longer to do a 1-20 run, I'd much rather run with someone that I can chat and become friends with than run solo.

[LawfulGood]

The most efficient way to do this is to balance getting to level 20 efficiently and earning the most rxp. Running 6 hour 50% xp pots, it takes less than 24 hours to run to level 20 per life, which for me translates to between 3 and 5 days depending on which day of the week I TR and how the weekend falls in that interval. I keep my playtime somewhat casual, only 3 or 4 hours per night during the week, and more of course on the weekends and have no problems racking up huge rxp. Skip Korthos and immediately get to level 2 using daily roll stones that you saved from your previous life. Do all quests at level for full rxp. At level 2 start running R2. Bump it up to R3 when you get to level 4 and have the Reaper tree available. Bump it up to R4 when you can use heal scrolls, or unlock the next tier in the Reaper tree. Bump it up to R5 when you hit Gianthold at level 13. Adjust downwards as you progress (if you're losing noticeable amounts of time per quest), or upwards as desired (shorter quests with big rxp payouts), but keep it at R4 or R5 at least til you cap at level 20.

Done correctly, you should have at least 150K rxp in an average of 4 days (20-24 hours of game time). Even though you'll get more rxp per life doing all the quests as the OP described, by starting the wheel over again you will earn more rxp over time because you're earning more efficiently.

[Aselrik]

The most efficient way to do this is to balance getting to level 20 efficiently and earning the most rxp. Running 6 hour 50% xp pots, it takes less than 24 hours to run to level 20 per life, which for me translates to between 3 and 5 days depending on which day of the week I TR and how the weekend falls in that interval. I keep my playtime somewhat casual, only 3 or 4 hours per night during the week, and more of course on the weekends and have no problems racking up huge rxp. Skip Korthos and immediately get to level 2 using daily roll stones that you saved from your previous life. Do all quests at level for full rxp. At level 2 start running R2. Bump it up to R3 when you get to level 4 and have the Reaper tree available. Bump it up to R4 when you can use heal scrolls, or unlock the next tier in the Reaper tree. Bump it up to R5 when you hit Gianthold at level 13. Adjust downwards as you progress (if you're losing noticeable amounts of time per quest), or upwards as desired (shorter quests with big rxp payouts), but keep it at R4 or R5 at least til you cap at level 20.

Done correctly, you should have at least 150K rxp in an average of 4 days (20-24 hours of game time). Even though you'll get more rxp per life doing all the quests as the OP described, by starting the wheel over again you will earn more rxp over time because you're earning more efficiently.

Do you have a guide you follow for your fast level 20 run? I just returned to the game, and am not that fast.

[LawfulGood]

Do you have a guide you follow for your fast level 20 run? I just returned to the game, and am not that fast.

A full quest list and a link to videos for those quests can be found here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489601-Double-Reaper-Wings?p=6018358&viewfull=1#post6018358

[TimtheGreat89]

so... this was my 1st life doing reaper on my main and i decided to do something... not very smart lol

i wanted to know what's the reaper xp you get in a life if you stick to:
- Doing every quest
- At base lvl (no penalty, ofc)
- R2, cause i think it's easy to keep it
- with 20% xp pot, cause you get it from collectables and... well, i think it's easy to keep
- no trap bonus, cause i wasn't being trapper this life, was not gonna use one and... well, not many times people joined my lfm (which were up most the time i played by the way)

the amount doing "every quest under lvl 20 on r2 at lvl with 20% pot on" is 165k xp, i know, it's not efficient, it's just the amount you set in your graphic comparing reaper xp between skulls and overlvl, and know where it hits, also at lvl 15 it was 102k

you know, i like using the 6h pot when it's almost out or once it's out before completing quest because... well, i always can do something without caring about the xp pot ticking, so it was not always on, i know i've completed under 10 quests w/o pot

also... i play in thelanis, it's a graveyard, i mean... nobody joined the quest lfm's... do you want me to wait for a raid to fill? i tried with von and adq but... well, didn't happen

also i wanted to do always R2 but sometimes you know there's some easy xp and wanted to check it... so did TS, all GH and vale on r3, the difference of xp is amazing (got more xp on vale on r3 than in wgu on r2 for example, 1,4k in coal vs... 900 or so in wgu)

that little extra xp from these quests i did on r3 and the weekend with extra reaper xp (i didn't play too much, in fact i'm not as active as before lol) helped to compensate the quests/raids i haven't done:
- smuggler's warehouse, stop hazadill's shipment and retrieve the stolen goods, i just did too many quests at lvl 2, i was annoyed at that point that i couldn't grab 3, but did the 1st part on r10, so that compensates too a bit
- kobold assault and gladewatch outpost defense, i mean, i won't waste my time in these quests, ever, too long for that lvl, specially with xp pot ticking lol
- devil assault, sorry, skipped it, however i doubt i can complete it, til few lvls later didn't get used to cone warlock (btw the warlock nerf got me at lvl 4, so... playing warlock after long ago, cone which i don't like too much and no reaper xp, won't help in there XD)
- von 5&6, adq2, titan raid and preraid, raver's fate, litany & abbot (i mean, i like my sigils too much like wasting them on that experiment XD), stealer of souls, shroud, HoX and VoD, MA & LoB, ToD and DD, i know... DD is not a raid, but it's lvl 20 XD

so i skipped 22 quests/raids and another 10 i haven't the 20% xp pot active, i think it's compensated by the few r3 i ran and the few quests i ran during the 20% extra reaper xp weekend

now it's time to look at that 4428 favor, check the favor rewards or turn in sagas, yes, got lots to turn in, and... there's no point since i'm already 20 lol guess will take tomes for PEDs

i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping

notice that did all lvl 19 quests being hardcapped for example, or at lvl 16 i did vale the last ones, so when i ran em i was hard capped, if they removed the xp bank/cap would be nice to see the total xp you could get running every heroic quest on reaper at lvl

PS: the toughest quest i faced was ETK cause in end fight we had 2 living meteor swarm light bearer and 1 firestorm skyborn, lovely indeed

Wait, come back to what you said about a 20% xp pot. You can't get those from collectables. Can you?

[Drwaz99]

Wait, come back to what you said about a 20% xp pot. You can't get those from collectables. Can you?

You can. There's a vendor in House D who will take 3 Medium Eberron Shards for a Major Experience Elixir.

Per DDO WIki:


Tara Wightraven

2 Planar Spoor = 100 Arrows of Evil Outsider Bane
2 Planar Spoor = 100 Bolts of Evil Outsider Bane
2 Planar Spoor = Elixir of Improved Healing
5 Planar Talisman + 10 Planar Spoor + 30 Small Planar Crystals = 1 minimum level 8 random Colorless Augment Slot
12 Astral Shards for choice of +3 Colorless Augment Slot (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence Wisdom, Charisma)
3 Medium Eberron Dragonshard Fragments = 1 Major Experience Elixir

[TimtheGreat89]

You can. There's a vendor in House D who will take 3 Medium Eberron Shards for a Major Experience Elixir.

Per DDO WIki:

No kidding! To think I've constantly spent TP for just a single 10% Elixir.

[blerkington]

For those who don't want to reincarnate to build up rxp, running quests on a capped character is nowhere near as far behind as it used to be. It's still not as efficient as running heroics, but since the change it doesn't feel like we're totally wasting our time anymore.

I did a couple of sessions recently that netted 40k+ rxp. That was doing a round of most of the legendary quests at around 5 skulls with VIP, ship and voice xp buffs. With a first time bonus and a good xp potion, it would be a lot more.

On the downside, it's a fairly small selection of quests and you need a strong group with cc, instakills and ranged damage to get through them at a decent pace. Some of them go much more easily with a tank and dedicated healer, but most of them can be done without.

Thanks.

[Qhualor]

Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.

[psykopeta]

Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.

I'm not getting them, i just have ****loads from when i was actively tr'ing my main, i was always checking the AH to buy them, but once i had them i was never using, i'm a rat, a hoarder, i keep lots of trash in my 11 mules that i will never use, or like mana pots, xp pots from daily rolls, stats tomes, siberys starter cake in my main after being triple everything (except racial) . That i never use

Good thing i found some use for the medium shards (it was my plat sink for ages, i started buying them for around 100k each but last time i recall buying them... They were at like 1,5m the pack of 3 lol)

So i said it's easy to keep that 20% cause u have ways fron getting that bonus, 10% vip gets quite close

Once im done lurking with alts, ima try the next test, with trapper bonus no pot running all the way w/o wasting heroic xp like i did lol

It's not like i play my main so dunno when will that happen

[Elfishski]

For those who don't want to reincarnate to build up rxp, running quests on a capped character is nowhere near as far behind as it used to be. It's still not as efficient as running heroics, but since the change it doesn't feel like we're totally wasting our time anymore.

I did a couple of sessions recently that netted 40k+ rxp. That was doing a round of most of the legendary quests at around 5 skulls with VIP, ship and voice xp buffs. With a first time bonus and a good xp potion, it would be a lot more.

On the downside, it's a fairly small selection of quests and you need a strong group with cc, instakills and ranged damage to get through them at a decent pace. Some of them go much more easily with a tank and dedicated healer, but most of them can be done without.

Thanks.

Well, the grass is always greener I guess... just did the same, and a couple of sessions joining endgame groups for 40k+ rxp each time at cap is worth about as much as a couple of months of fairly slowly solo'ing or duo'ing R3ish quests to cap. For me, reaper xp at cap now is a literal order of magnitude better than reaper xp leveling.

But... playing high skulls at cap I find pretty intensely boring - follow a roaming pack of warlocks around as they CC and instakill 90% of everything, kill a few helpless deathblocked champions/reapers, then perch in the conveniently provided safe spot to autoattack the boss for 5-10 minutes. Thrilling gameplay it is not.

[blerkington]

Thrilling gameplay it is not.

Yes, that is a whole other discussion. And it's made a lot worse by the very small number of legendary quests there are to do.

I'm not sure if anyone at SSG has tried or even thought through how higher skull runs would play but with the right group, it becomes very routine and the difference between r5 and r10 is surprisingly small except in a few cases. There is no reason not to go higher than r5 if your group can handle it and that means more rxp; our last session was a selection of things from r6-r10 and it felt not that much different to the earlier ones.

I wouldn't describe reaper as a good implementation of challenge. It does mean we can't play in the same hyper-aggressive and careless way as we can in lower difficulty settings, the right party composition is important and there's less tolerance for sloppiness and mistakes without deaths. It's also very punitive to some playstyles while hardly affecting others at all.

But once you get used to it, it becomes obvious it's not the huge leap it was touted as and first seemed to be. Turning the incoming damage dial up to 11 while reducing our own damage and healing wasn't a very good solution at all. They could keep on turning those dials even more and it wouldn't really change all that much about how most quests play so they've kind of painted themselves into a corner.

Anyway, I was quite happy about the boost to rxp for legendary quests at first. It gave me something to do with my capped character and let me get to 32 points (for a tier 3 and a tier 4 core) in a sensible amount of time. Now that I'm there though, I'll probably run some more reaper stuff anyway but not with the same frequency as I have been since the rxp boost. Getting more points is slow now, the benefits are very minimal and are not required, and it is just so repetitive.

Thanks.

[Elfishski]

But once you get used to it, it becomes obvious it's not the huge leap it was touted as and first seemed to be. Turning the incoming damage dial up to 11 while reducing our own damage and healing wasn't a very good solution at all. They could keep on turning those dials even more and it wouldn't really change all that much about how most quests play so they've kind of painted themselves into a corner.


Yes, after getting to a certain number of skulls you just die when you get hit unless you're an all-in tank, but with the right CC options and the right safe spots you can just never get hit so it's not much of an problem that damage is increased further. I suggested other options from Lamannia and since then, but... maybe one day.


Anyway, relevant to the thread:
Something like 60-80k per life 1-20 on moderate low skulls not trying to do every quest. I didn't do well on reaper xp my most recent life as I was having too much fun doing all the cannith/estar challenges and a lot of night revels. I really hope there are more proper challenges requiring coordination rather than DPS in the future.

After you get to level 28+ without doing any of the quests available at legendary, join mid-high skulls LFMs run by warlocks and wizards who have the DCs to take care of the whole quest by themselves without any monsters hitting them but just want whatever kind of DPS to make the boss fight less tedious. Use your XP potions there and get many thousands per quest with first time bonus. This is by far the easiest way to level up your reaper points if you can't zerg R5 in heroics with a likeminded pack of infernal warlocks who can keep a good schedule (and good on you if you can!) but that's hardly standard for most players so shouldn't really be used as a comparison point.

Otherwise.... just play whatever difficulty is actually fun based on the power of your current build and try not to look at the discouraging progress bar to the next point too often. :)

[BandVP]

Next life im also doing an all reaper life. I suggest if you are planning to do true reincarnations then don't do every quest, but if your going to 5k favour then why not? xD

Personally, with the past i get a minimum of 120k a life whilst making sure i do not cap and do them at base level. Therefore the extra few thousand is not worth waiting for at cap.
I'm finishing my heroics now, therefore getting them done quick is important xD.

[BandVP]

No kidding! To think I've constantly spent TP for just a single 10% Elixir.

however the medium shards are hard to find and i believe they are totally rare, you can't farm.

[Emerge2012]

Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.

I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active. I just came back to the game a month ago after being away 4 years. In these past 4 weeks I'm on life #5 and have extensively farmed collectable nodes with my main and 2 farmers. I've found one medium, and had 1 from the previous 4-5 lives.

I've run with a handful of semi-static groups upon returning and it seems they're all running 20% pots all the time and then immediately TR at 20 because they already have a ton of tokens. I generally fall behind by about a day or two because I only run the 5% pots from challenge farming and have to get my tokens legit.

So while it's possible that through a crapload of past lives and stockpiling/buying medium shards that a player might have a bunch of 20% pots. But I think it's safe to say they'd have been using those pots much earlier. The chances of people getting it legit is insanely slim, to the point of laughable.

[Torkzed]

I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active.

Is it really so hard to believe some people buy stuff from the store? I constantly run 20% pots and i have never duped anything. I am VIP to support the game and pick up a few odd perks. I spend my 500TP/month almost exclusively (not much else I want/need) on 20% pots by saving them until the 25XMajor Experience Elixirs go on sale, and then buying a couple packs of them.

[Emerge2012]

Is it really so hard to believe some people buy stuff from the store? I constantly run 20% pots and i have never duped anything. I am VIP to support the game and pick up a few odd perks. I spend my 500TP/month almost exclusively (not much else I want/need) on 20% pots by saving them until the 25XMajor Experience Elixirs go on sale, and then buying a couple packs of them.

Yes, it's hard to believe. Because anyone actually buying pots aren't going to buy the 20%ers.

[Torkzed]

Yes, it's hard to believe. Because anyone actually buying pots aren't going to buy the 20%ers.

I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either. :)

I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)

[psykopeta]

I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either. :)

I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)

That's what i use AS for, packs of med eberron shards(use to be 3 AS each) , got 1,500 AS atm fron selling stuff, not at expensive prices like some players(i was selling consuning darkness at 250AS while seeing in the AS ppl posting for 400 and 500lol, same with collectables)

In fact i prefer spending in shards, than rerolling or tomes

Btw, med eberron shards drop more than 1 each 4-5 lives, same with tomes, i get 1-2 meds and tomes (tomes from quest turn in mostly lol) per life, it's true that i run more quests and check every damm chest and quest turn in (got a 6 con, dex and cha rung, yes, all 3, this life lol) than ppl use to

[psykopeta]

i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping

so... the amount of rxp you get running r2, at level, w/o banking heroic xp nor heroic/reaper pot nor event (yup, lucky me XD) with the trapper bonus is... 75k!! i'm sitting atm at the amazing 243085 rxp

yup, i know, such a crappy rxp, just for the sake of testing! doing several weird things atm (not playing DDO is one of them) so it took a bit to finish the test lol

next time will be... how much rxp you get running r2, at level as an iconic (so all the way to 30, w/o repeating quests on heroic/reaper just for the 1st time sexyness, ill save them for epic indeed), w/o banking xp as a trapper

[HungarianRhapsody]

I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either. :)

I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)

Check out the Elemental vendor next to the Altar of Epic Change (whatever the "make shard/seal/scroll items altar is called) in the Twelve. He sells a lot of the augments that aren't available in Gianthold. Not saying you have to do that - just that I'm sure you have a bajillion Tokens of the Twelve and that can save you some TP which you could use for pots.

Also, why buy the 20% pots instead of the 50's?

[slarden]

I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either. :)

I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)

Watch for traveller trunk sales. I bought a bunch of those @ 75% off and it was a super cheap way to stock up on sovereigns.

[Blastyswa]

I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active. I just came back to the game a month ago after being away 4 years. In these past 4 weeks I'm on life #5 and have extensively farmed collectable nodes with my main and 2 farmers. I've found one medium, and had 1 from the previous 4-5 lives.

I've run with a handful of semi-static groups upon returning and it seems they're all running 20% pots all the time and then immediately TR at 20 because they already have a ton of tokens. I generally fall behind by about a day or two because I only run the 5% pots from challenge farming and have to get my tokens legit.

So while it's possible that through a crapload of past lives and stockpiling/buying medium shards that a player might have a bunch of 20% pots. But I think it's safe to say they'd have been using those pots much earlier. The chances of people getting it legit is insanely slim, to the point of laughable.

The drop rates on many things seem to have been scaled down over the years. In addition, the playerbase of DDO, while I do see plenty of new players, has definitively diminished from it's heyday. Consequently, you don't see near as many dragonshards, tomes, mnemonic elixirs, or other currently rare items that, while not commonplace, were significantly more present in years past. For example, I have a character who is entirely full of tomes. I haven't been getting them all in the last year, and I don't hound the AH/SE- the drop rates used to be higher, and I could consistently get about one a life (Unbound Skill or Attribute). It also wasn't uncommon for people to sell me them for 25-50k platinum a piece. Eberron Dragonshards were similar- I still have over 100 of every type of dragonshard. Mostly because I've been hoarding for years, but also because they tended to be more commonplace before, although they were still never particularly common. I don't think I've drank a mnemonic elixir in about a year either- they all tend to stack up. Other people having higher resource totals isn't necessarily always a product of them exploiting the game, it frequently is just hoarders versus those who use their resources to support a current playstyle- it's not necessarily good or bad either way, but one does tend to have more lying around later in the game's lifetime.

There also are people who spend a decent amount of money on this game, and turbine points aren't particularly difficult to get. I played with someone the other day who was re-rolling every end chest throughout an entire run of heroic Ravenloft to try and get named loot. One of the other people in the group commented on it, and he said he usually purchased a new pack of 2,000 astral shards every two weeks to a month. Someone who can maintain that level of expense in the game, or even significantly less, can easily keep up potions at all times if they want.

[psykopeta]

so... in the end i messed it a bit, i mean

my idea for this life was "run only once on r2, at level, starting as iconic without banking xp, without xp pots and not repeating the quest on heroic and then on epic with trapper bonus"

well, can't be done unless you do weird things like... farming a quest for no reaper xp, or hoard slayers for the same reason (which is a bit dumb statement, i must say, but i'm that way lol) so anticipating it couldn't be done, i did on heroic LoD chain, and druid and stormhorns... thanks to that XPm doing every heroic quest non raid on r2 hit 20 without wasting too much XP

1st thing, if you are running r2, do heroic AND epic, the reaper xp difference is really low, for example demonweb chain was giving... 800 rxp? at lvl 23, however druid chain on epic was giving 700 rxp + the 600 rxp it gave me on heroic, so at least, for r2 it's better not to save quests for epics (of course the epic xp difference will be more noticeable due to 1st bonus but we're talking only about rxp), however if you save the quests for epic lelves you all know the epic xp you can get it's insane (1,2m for a gh 1st time tour? lol)

ofc i could only mess it in one way, no, i had to go further, so with lvl 26 and having done all epic quests except house d & p chain, madness chain (lvl 22 quests give way too much xp, same with gh tour lol so had to bank at some point) i had 5,6M xp and 87k rxp, at this point i got tired and seeing there were not many things to run for 1st time on r2 at lvl i decided to join big levels with higher skulls quests (no, i didnt farm, no i didnt any raid, no i didnt run ravenloft lol, but did several r6 and some r10) checking the following progression/relation

5,6m XP I had 87k rxp
6,4m XP I had 125k rxp
6,9m XP I had 146k rxp (here i did SH chain on r2, which i already had done on heroic)
at cap I had 155k rxp

but wait... i turned in all the sagas cause i wanted to cap! XD so yes, the reaper xp could have been higher if i didn't turn them (it's about 1M xp?) i would estimate something like 50k epic xp for 1k reaper xp for every r2 quest ran for 1st time on epic so the difference maybe it's not that big (if you rerun a quest on epic the relation could prolly drop but i mean, in most places epic quests 1st time give something around 50k and 1k rxp, there're brutal exceptions like GH, WGU, von, spies, WK and... well you all know which ones give too much xp lol)

so far the rxp test are as follow:
- non iconic doing ALL quests at level being capped like 30% of the time (except some raids) on r2 with 20% pot yields 165k rxp
- non iconic doing only the necessary quests to level (so turning sagas is allowed lol) with trapper bonus but no xp pot gives 75k rxp
- iconic doing all heroic quests which have no epic version (except LoD, druid and SH chain which were run on heroic and epic for the sake of hitting 20) and running all the epic quests needed to level even turning sagas, on r2 without xp pot and trapper bonus means 155k rxp aprox

[Emerge2012]

The drop rates on many things seem to have been scaled down over the years. In addition, the playerbase of DDO, while I do see plenty of new players, has definitively diminished from it's heyday. Consequently, you don't see near as many dragonshards, tomes, mnemonic elixirs, or other currently rare items that, while not commonplace, were significantly more present in years past. For example, I have a character who is entirely full of tomes. I haven't been getting them all in the last year, and I don't hound the AH/SE- the drop rates used to be higher, and I could consistently get about one a life (Unbound Skill or Attribute). It also wasn't uncommon for people to sell me them for 25-50k platinum a piece. Eberron Dragonshards were similar- I still have over 100 of every type of dragonshard. Mostly because I've been hoarding for years, but also because they tended to be more commonplace before, although they were still never particularly common. I don't think I've drank a mnemonic elixir in about a year either- they all tend to stack up. Other people having higher resource totals isn't necessarily always a product of them exploiting the game, it frequently is just hoarders versus those who use their resources to support a current playstyle- it's not necessarily good or bad either way, but one does tend to have more lying around later in the game's lifetime.

There also are people who spend a decent amount of money on this game, and turbine points aren't particularly difficult to get. I played with someone the other day who was re-rolling every end chest throughout an entire run of heroic Ravenloft to try and get named loot. One of the other people in the group commented on it, and he said he usually purchased a new pack of 2,000 astral shards every two weeks to a month. Someone who can maintain that level of expense in the game, or even significantly less, can easily keep up potions at all times if they want.

I'm not doubting that some players have a good stockpile of things from years of playing. Hell my alt was loaded with +3 and +4 tomes from 5 years ago and I barely see any of them now even running reaper raids at cap.

To be dead honest the only reason I even brought up the duping is because there's always going to be that one cheater that pretends he's the unicorn that actually purposely buys 20% pots with ddo points that he purposely saves especially for the 20% pots when they go on sale. Rather than just staying quiet they always feel the need to out themselves by saying something stupid.