18/2 bard/ rogue

[Bolo_Grubb]

please provide constructive feedback. bored at work and trying salvage this bard multi-class. This guy started out as a 15 bard, 3 rogue and 2 fighter.

I want to make him an 18 bard, 2 rogue.

Already has a decent collection of 2 handed weapons, including a SOS (not epic yet but maybe some day)

so here is my first attempt. 32 point build thinking of using a +3 lesser heart to change him. Burnt out on the TR grind at the moment

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DJTR 
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Bard) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 616 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 19
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    21
Dexterity            11                    15
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             13                    17

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     6
Bluff                 1                     4
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device        7                    27
Haggle                5                     7
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  4                    10
Intimidate            1                     7
Jump                  6                    12
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         4                     8
Open Lock             4                    25
Perform               n/a                  30
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    27
Spot                  3                    23
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      5                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Spell (1): Master's Touch


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Feather Fall


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Rage


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Grease
Spell (2): Invisibility


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Heroism
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+6)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Good Hope


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (6): Mass Charm Monster


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Slow
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Greatsword Training
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Improved Perform IV
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[BoBoDaClown]

Why do you want to switch out 3 levels for bard? You don't get a lot and the enhancement update is still some way away.

To be honest, I'd go TWF on a Halfling Bard worth rogue splash - that's some significant damage (songs, halfling guile, rogue sneak attack) coming in per hit - i.e. being TWF is advantageous.

However, if you want to stay THF:
Stats:

Con: pretty low
Int: pretty high
I'd switch those two stats.

Why one point in dex? May as well throw it in cha?

Skills
I'd drop spot and only put a few points into open locks and pump balance a little.

Feats:
Drop insightful reflexes. Expensive for feat strapped class.
I'd also drop dodge and mobility and pump combat abilities.

Feats you want:
Toughness
Weapon Focus
Improve Crit
THF
ITHF
GTHF
Power Attack
Cleave
Great Cleave
Overwhelming Critical (once fixed...)
Maybe extend
10-11 Feats

Feats you get: 9, including two epic
So unless you want to splash fighter you will either want to go down the THF line route or the cleave/greate cleave/Ocritical route.

Personally I think your original level split was great - it nets you enough feats to pick up both dps lines. 15/4/1 16/3/1 (Bard Rogue Fighter) would also work if you didn't want extend.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Why do you want to switch out 3 levels for bard? You don't get a lot and the enhancement update is still some way away.

To be honest, I'd go TWF on a Halfling Bard worth rogue splash - that's some significant damage (songs, halfling guile, rogue sneak attack) coming in per hit - i.e. being TWF is advantageous.

However, if you want to stay THF:
Stats:

Con: pretty low
Int: pretty high
I'd switch those two stats.

Why one point in dex? May as well throw it in cha?

Skills
I'd drop spot and only put a few points into open locks and pump balance a little.

Feats:
Drop insightful reflexes. Expensive for feat strapped class.
I'd also drop dodge and mobility and pump combat abilities.

Feats you want:
Toughness
Weapon Focus
Improve Crit
THF
ITHF
GTHF
Power Attack
Cleave
Great Cleave
Overwhelming Critical (once fixed...)
Maybe extend
10-11 Feats

Feats you get: 9, including two epic
So unless you want to splash fighter you will either want to go down the THF line route or the cleave/greate cleave/Ocritical route.

Personally I think your original level split was great - it nets you enough feats to pick up both dps lines. 15/4/1 16/3/1 (Bard Rogue Fighter) would also work if you didn't want extend.

Wanting to stay THF because of the weapons I already have.

Went with High int the first time to get all the rogue skills maxed.

The one point in dex was to qualify for Dodge.

Was thinking 18 bard would improve my bard skills and songs, maybe I am wrong. I already have a pure fighter and a pure Rogue (both TWF) so this bard was just to try something different. He is fun with his current split but just to see if I can make him better.

[BoBoDaClown]

Wanting to stay THF because of the weapons I already have.

Went with High int the first time to get all the rogue skills maxed.

The one point in dex was to qualify for Dodge.

Was thinking 18 bard would improve my bard skills and songs, maybe I am wrong. I already have a pure fighter and a pure Rogue (both TWF) so this bard was just to try something different. He is fun with his current split but just to see if I can make him better.

I'd drop doge and mobiltiy and start working your combat feats.

18 bard doesn't improve your skills or songs.
15 bard nets you inspire excellence and inspire heroics
16 bard nets you Cure Mass Mod and Ottos Irrest.

Your current split would be better for the current game.

Personally I'd LR and change my feats and stats a bit into some of what I mentioned. You'll have better combat capability.

You can drop spot and oyu only need a few points of open locks for most of the locks in game.