What's a Paralyzer worth to you

[Silenoz]

ok guys there are some of us who are lucky enought to pull one (or more) paralyzer's over the course of the last month or so.....so what i'm asking you folks is........WHAT IS A PARALYZER WORTH TO YOU.....POST WHAT YOU WOULD OFFER OPENLY IN THIS FORUM....I await to see what is offered

[Vinos]

you talking about gear,plat,or both? Also would depend on the paralyzer. A kopesh would go for more than a club.

[Morgoth_the_Enemy]

I have a tasty ham. It better be a **** nice paralyzer though.

[Return_To_Forever]

I would give two really nice items, and up 6 decent items for it, if I really wanted it.

I would not accept a trade for it for less than 1 thing I could use right away.
doesn't seem like a tough criteria but it can be. I have given alot for a para in the past cause of this reason, and I have asked for alot as well cause of it.

same rules apply for me, for pretty much every other sought after weapon.

Though I have given paras away, I feel like they are pretty much the best out of the top tier, mainly cause of the fun they are to use.


But I have bad advice, I have told people to turn down very favorable trades, just to keep items that are more fun to play with.:eek:

[Balthanor]

You mean like offering a:

Full set of + 1 tomes

Other Rare items that a different class might want (Superior Devotion V 1h weapon, or Deathblock Robe of the Magi.

Just throwing out some stuff...:D

[Lauranthis]

...unclear why ppl just don't wait until Reaver's Bane hits and running most quests there on elite are lvl 15 chests and watching these items flow like water hit the auction house..........

Joe Blow 1: (General) Joe Blow 1 Loots +2 Paralysing Khophesh of Pure Good. 'Ugh...another paraylser boys...this makes my total of 15 so far'

Joe Blow 2: 'Yea man...that sucks..why can they not just make it to where we just pull +6 items more often..gawd...i hate this game'

Group Silence for 5 seconds...

Joe Blow 1: Well, I guess I'll loot it for Vender Trash.

Joe Blow 4: Really man? Make a statement and just not loot it at all..leave it for some other sucker to pull.

Group silence...

Joe Blow 1: Yea, I guess i can flog it for a shield clickie if i am lucky...hope someone is desprite enuff to have this ..

Group Sigh...

[Silenoz]

i think people misunderstood the context of my question....do i have paralyzer's yes....am i offering them.......not sure...........

now....you as a person what would you offer for a para......only one person seemed to answer it

[philo]

now....you as a person what would you offer for a para......only one person seemed to answer it

nothing

you wanted someone to answer /shrug

[Silenoz]

i was asking for those people on here giving up the bank to get one...so they can get some idea from those of us who're more experienced in dealing with each other and stuff like that....either way don't respond

[Vinos]

i think people misunderstood the context of my question....do i have paralyzer's yes....am i offering them.......not sure...........

now....you as a person what would you offer for a para......only one person seemed to answer it

Paralyzing what? Would i offer something for Kopesh? yeah. Club? nah.

[Riorik]

Just a comment about Paralyzers - maybe it's just my play style. I only like using Paralyzers on secondary melee types - I believe the front line troops should be using a DPS type approach and using a +1/+2 Paralyzer limits that.

That's not to say that if you've got a million you shouldn't use them - it's just very situational.

[Furgulder]

I would put it on par with Mith Full Plate +5. Some would give up quite a bit to have it, some, not so much.

I only have 1 character that benefits from Mith Full +5 as none of my other "tanks" have a high dex, so if I got a second set, Id trade it in a heartbeat.

Paralyzers are great on "Faction" quests as nothing saves. You can run around paralyzing the hell out of everything while someone else runs clean up.

On harder elite quests, it still comes in handy. Mobs do roll 1s, or some have low saves, and a mob standing around not beating on you, is always a good thing.

Personally, if I ever got a second paralyzer, I think the +1 tome set would be a good investment, especially if you have a 32pt character slot open. Think of the points you will save using 17s to build with instead of 18s.

2 decent items (Banisher and tome maybe? or Pop X and a Disruptor) would probably be a good trade as well, especially if as you claim you have multiple paralyzers.

[Bracosius]

I don't think this thread is going the direction you wanted because a paralyzers value differs greatly from person to person. And the value gap widens even more when you throw in people with 2 paralyzers.

I have a elf/drow rr paralyzing falchion and the only thing I would trade it for is a 1 handed paralyzer. Because it is my only paralyzer, it is priceless.

But if I looted a second paralyzer its value could drastically change very quickly. Assuming my new paralyzer wasn't race restricted, or if it was still elf/drow rr; but one handed, it immediatly takes the place of my falchion. And my falchion is probably one of the least desired paralyzers. Not only is it rr, but it is 2-handed.

So if it you ask me now what a paralyzer is worth I would give you some ridiculous multi vorpal, tome, disrupter, banisher, mith full plate value that would be clearly unrealistic.

But if I loot another one, then my answer becomes much more realistic.

You flipped the coin a little by asking what would you offer as opposed to what is it worth. But to me it is the same question. If people actually start to just list what they would offer, most would be posts just like Philo. Anyone who has one would only usually want to trade for a different type. Or not want to try to get another one at all.

And the people who may offer tons of stuff are unlikely to post because they then risk looking foolish or advertise that they are open game to be taken advantage of.

[Naso24]

Here is a reply I sent to a PM, relative to this discussion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXXXXXXXXX
heya I'm still interested in these here, if you can take a look at my tradeables, maybe I have something you would like.

thnx

+2 flaming cold iron scimitar of pure good ML6
+2 Acid cold iron heavy pick of pure good ML6
+1 Holy Composite Longbow of Pure Good (Drow/Elf) DC 14 ML4

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The only items I can use are the disrupter, banisher, paralyzer (any), and +5 dex gloves. Given your previous reply, I assume the effect weapons are out.

I watch the auctions all the time, and rarely see a comparable bow (one that is usable from low to high levels - low UMD for non elf), so I want to trade this for something better than a +5 stat item. I'd trade all the above items, and include either my smiting mace or silver longbow for a paralyzer - will consider others too, if you change your mind on a combo trade for a paralyzer.

I use the above items and would need to trade for something I can use to make it worth trading. I'd trade either the scimitar or heavy pick for the +5 dex gloves.

I'd also trade either for a +1 CON tome, since it will yield the same result.

I know some people think moderate damage items for tomes of a +5 item are not an equal trade - here's why it is an even trade for me:

The scimitar and pick own outsiders - the fire scimatar is death to ice renders. Very little is immune to acid, and the X4 crit is very nice when it hits for the pick. Both being pure good lower the minimum use level due to a restriction, which gives them a more useful range, and almost everything is evil. Outsiders are becoming more common with monster races being added, mod 4 included. Stat items are becoming much more common. Really useful weapons are more rare than tomes, that can drop in giant caves, many L10 quests, and will be more frequent with L13-14 quests. +5 stat items are becoming more common, and can appear on multiple items (ring, bracer, boots, necklace, belt, etc, and thus are more flexible). Most high end weapons (cost wise) have junk bonuses on them, like tendon slice or deception, which decreases their use range (cost-min level usage), without adding any useful benefit.

Your situation may be different.

In my opinion, a paralyzer is a paralyzer, is a paralyzer. You will not be dependent on the damage the paralyzer does, only that you can hit the opponent. For this reason, after you have more than one, the others basically do the same thing. The only exceptions are 1H vs 2H vs ranged. Eventually these will be more common. If it sits in your bank, it really isn't useful. The items listed above are never banked - they fit a variety of quests, and are useful across many levels (cold iron being a non level increasing stat). They can be handed down to a new build. Getting cold iron, pure good, and elemental damage on a useful weapon is not that common, given the trash variables, and a greater than +1 item is even better.

My reason for placing a higher value on the bow is holy-pure good is a great combo (equivalent to greater bane against almost all enemies), +3 deneith arrows or +5 elemental make the +1 bow equivalent to a +3 or greater weapon, and the race restriction is actually a benefit since it drops the minimum usage level to 4 for the race most likely to be a bow wielder (elves and drow).

I post all these details because of the recent debate on what items are worth. These items are neither junk nor spare, and if they were duplicate, I would get plenty of use out of them by making an additional character.

That being said, I welcome a mutually beneficial trade if we can come to one.
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That is my perspective. Any item consistently banked is useless. Items have relative value to what you have, what is useful, what quests require, and where the game is going. I expect that specialty items will become more common when the level cap is raised, while losing usefulness against higher end enemies (saves). They are a convenience item, much more useful in open areas (desert) and normal-hard quests. A true fighter eventually has to beat down the enemy, or your mages and clerics will waste their spell points. Special combos will be much more useful later on, are useful now, and ultimately, greater bane weapons with cold iron and pure-good or holy will be much more useful. Even a paralyzer with cold iron will pale in comparison to a true damaging cold iron weapon.

That said, I still want one of these "convenience" weapons for use on the current quests.

The best non bane item would be a holy cold iron adamantine (is this even possible?) weapon, with a splash of vertigo. I'd take one of these over a paralyzer any day.

A final though - some of the items I had posted were native L14 before the recent changes, or would be (L12 or 14) if not for the class-alignment restrictions. Most paralyzers are not. Congrats if yours is.
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Is that the sort of reply you were looking for? Or are you looking for actual offers? If so, you need to post the exact item, as this seems to make some degree of difference.

[Balthanor]

Friend just got a Para Longbow for a Res Ring. I almost fell out of my seat when he told me.:eek:

Some people are just DUMB.

[Uska]

I would consider switching to this server for a para weapon:D

[Kris_P._Letus]

i had been looking and looking for a paralyzer ferever. lookin on the ah, seein em for 10 million gp. 20 million. since i only just started loot running gh recently, i never had anything worth trading for anything. (finally pulled my first vorpal few weeks back....) i was on the ah one night, and saw a paralyzing bastard sword for 33k pp with 2 hours left. i stayed up untill 2 am to get that...put a bid on it when i figured it only had a minute or so left. ended up bein 5 minutes early...(longest 5 minutes ingame ever). ended up getting it for 40k plat. apparently, if you asked the poster of that basty, he didnt think that para's were worth very much.