U58 Preview 2 Quest - Kill Ten Rats

[Tolero]

Use this thread to discuss feedback on the new U58 quest "Kill Ten Rats". This is a free quest and is meant for levels 18 Heroic / 34 Legendary. Speak with The Questgiver in the Test Dojo to be taken to Sharn and visit Frelda Brumlyn near the boat to Morgrave University.

[Aelonwy]

Is that really the name of the quest? Is that tongue-in-cheek making fun of the first quest in most CRPGs?

[cru121]

I ran the quest on heroic elite. No problems. The quest seems to be missing from the Adventure Compendium, or I am blind.

[jackatthekilns]

Im very confused why this is base level 18. Am I wrong to believe that if I were to play on elite at level 20 i wouldn't get Epic XP? I didn't think anyone played level 18 and. 19 quests for that reason. It also worries me thay the expansion will be level 18-19 and have the same problem.

I hope Im wrong, but it seems problematic. I would love to see this reset to level 16

[Toblakai]

Im very confused why this is base level 18. Am I wrong to believe that if I were to play on elite at level 20 i wouldn't get Epic XP? I didn't think anyone played level 18 and. 19 quests for that reason. It also worries me thay the expansion will be level 18-19 and have the same problem.

I hope Im wrong, but it seems problematic. I would love to see this reset to level 16

Yeah, level 18 seems like a really bad choice, I rarely play any quest over level 16 during my lives. I more than likely will play them at cap for RXP.

Level 12-13 would be better. This is where I usually run low on XP when leveling, I never do Droam content because it sucks, so options here would be nice.

[rabidfox]

Im very confused why this is base level 18. Am I wrong to believe that if I were to play on elite at level 20 i wouldn't get Epic XP? I didn't think anyone played level 18 and. 19 quests for that reason. It also worries me thay the expansion will be level 18-19 and have the same problem.

I hope Im wrong, but it seems problematic. I would love to see this reset to level 16

You'd get XP. There's not a hardlock on that stuff outside of hardcore.

[Dabima]

I think the main problem is that while they made epic scaling uniform, they never bothered addressing the late heroics problem. This problem is that almost all of the level 16+ content is scaled so that mobs are much beefier than and often do more damage than mobs in level 20-23 quests. Late heroic bosses for example often have 2-3 times as much go as epic mobs up until level 24 epic elites for example. So not only are these quests in a level range people often don’t need xp at, but you have to work way harder for your xp and get way less than you would get for easier quests once you’re 20

[GoldyGopher]

Completed on Legendary R1 utilizing Hireling

Many of the Rats look like they belong on Ren and Stimpy, I am hoping the models aren't complete.

Is there dialogue Missing?

Lots of running, not enough mobs. As a guildie says it is a quests that uses distance to pretend to be difficulty.

Why are the levers for doors not standardized in location, are you thinking that making people look for a lever makes the quest harder?

Why are there doors that open to doors? I kept wondering if I missed something.

No reapers, lots of champions. Luck of the draw I know, but..

Hated the Cube at the end, as I was playing a melee. It was the only challenge in the quest, simply because I had to take damage to damage it, considering I didn't shrine during my zerg I got caught missing a clickie. No biggie.

In the end the quest didn't feel complete at all. It wasn't a fun quest to run, nor did it feel like a legendary quest.

[Wdh]

I like the idea of the boss, it's goofy and funny. But in practice you have a regular ddo rat just made really big, with terrible stretched textures, looks the models from a PS2 game. And then after having the lowest resolution and polygon count of any ddo model, it just has a way higher resolution brain slapped on it, and a remnant. For bugs, the quest, did not have any DM voice yet when I ran it.

[Dabima]

Saw multiple spots where rubble was floating a few feet off the ground instead of being flush with it.

Struggling to understand the plot here... we just uncovered that vecna and his cult has infiltrated Morgrave University, so our response is to immediately move the most powerful artifact in Eberron to Morgrave University as well? Just doesn't make sense to me.

As for the cranium rats, I hope that isn't the final design for them because they just look weird as others have said... high-res brain slapped on a very low-res scaled up rat model. Just looks funky. Especially on the king rat you meet at the end.

Overall, I felt like the quest was pretty boring. Hoping the expansion isn't more stuff like this

[Oxarhamar]

You'd get XP. There's not a hardlock on that stuff outside of hardcore.

What can’t be done is running on Reaper at 20

[Altra]

We can only play on weekends, so haven't run it, but I'd like to say something.

Thank you!
I know we're not the only ones that are playing only heroics. We desperately need some 18-20 quests. Thanks for looking at these levels.

[Shaarax]

Ran the quest on heroic elite and it was okay. I like the addition of Cranium Rats (my fave Planescape critter) to the game but the graphics for them need work, please lose the neon pink tails and there should a LOT more of them for encounters. Cranium rats are not individually powerful, their power comes from being in big swarms as they have a hive mind, the more of them there are, the deadlier they get. Perhaps adapt the fly swarm mob to being a rat swarm and then scale that up would work better to represent them and have a few single rats alongside that. The end boss rat graphics need serious work.

The area behind the secret door felt empty. I mean there's a chest there and a short swim to get the key for it, but some critters of some sort should be there I feel.

I did like the goblin village area and nice touch on them being albino due to no sunlight.

[Baahb3]

I never do Droam content because it sucks.

I find this incredibly funny because everyone I talk to says the same thing, yet it is these quests they decided to epicfy later this year.

[ahpook]

Ran the quest. I found it a little linear for my liking but acceptable. As a standalone quest with no set based gear it will be mostly a one and done for many so replay ability is not likely a concern. If you are going to chase something through the sewers it would be nice to have to use a tracking skill. Take some of that linear map and create more spoke and hub so people can follow the wrong path. A spot skill will help show the correct path.

My complaints are in the aesthetic of the quest:

As others have mentioned the rats are way too cartoony. The slapped on brains and remnant coin just look cheesy.
I dislike the story. Chase the king rat and kill a bunch of his minions is fine for the mechanics of the quest but at the end to have the rat be a nice guy who will just give back the codex? He doesn't care that we were slaughtering his tribe? The whole end seemed somewhere between Smurfy and unfiinished. The smurfy ending fits with the cartoony vibe of the king rat I guess.





I find this incredibly funny because everyone I talk to says the same thing, yet it is these quests they decided to epicfy later this year.

I agree. But since I really dislike bumping the numbers on Heroic content and calling it epic or legendary anyways, this pack is not something that I care about.

[neain2008]

I find this incredibly funny because everyone I talk to says the same thing, yet it is these quests they decided to epicfy later this year.

I like the Droam content. So you can now say that you found at least one person.

It does feel unfinished to me, almost as jarring as if the Morgrave stuff was the end of the Vekna line of quests and then we never hear about him again, but other than that I do enjoy running them, but it would be nice to have more variety.

I am sad that we are getting more level 18 stuff and not more level 11-12 stuff, but I will play it at least once when it comes out.

[merridyan]

What can’t be done is running on Reaper at 20

If the expansion is level 18, I hope there is time left for them to rethink this decision and lower the level to something that will actually be ran. When I level I stop at 18 and hold until 20. I run all quests on reaper 1 minimum, I can't run these on reaper so they will be skipped in favor of quests that can be.

There are 28 level 16, and 21 level 17. Plenty to level up to 20 when sitting at 18.

Level 13 with 14 quests is the least represented heroic level quests, this seems like a much better choice. Especially if you skip the Droam content like it appears many do (because it is bad).

[merridyan]

I like the Droam content. So you can now say that you found at least one person.

There aren't many that I can find, none of my guildies like them either and were wondering why this was chosen to add legendary to.

[Maldrick]

I like the Droam content. So you can now say that you found at least one person.

It does feel unfinished to me, almost as jarring as if the Morgrave stuff was the end of the Vekna line of quests and then we never hear about him again, but other than that I do enjoy running them, but it would be nice to have more variety.

I am sad that we are getting more level 18 stuff and not more level 11-12 stuff, but I will play it at least once when it comes out.

You have 2 people now. I personally really like droam and am very excited to see it legendary!

As for the new quest, I never run lama so I can't give much feedback but from what people are saying here you are adding cranium rats so that makes me happy. Finally a rat mob I won't feel humiliated to die to...

[Cashiry]

I didn't see much of anything wrong with the quest in general other than the rats all saying the same thing.

Also Favor is not listed or registering in the Adventure Compendium.

[Fenix93]

If the expansion is level 18, I hope there is time left for them to rethink this decision and lower the level to something that will actually be ran. When I level I stop at 18 and hold until 20. I run all quests on reaper 1 minimum, I can't run these on reaper so they will be skipped in favor of quests that can be.

There are 28 level 16, and 21 level 17. Plenty to level up to 20 when sitting at 18.

Level 13 with 14 quests is the least represented heroic level quests, this seems like a much better choice. Especially if you skip the Droam content like it appears many do (because it is bad).

Seriously terrible? ok apart from the final quest the rest of the quests aren't terrible, I've always done that chain every iconic life solo or with 2-3 people and it's a very easy, fast and fun content I don't understand why it's terrible because the final fight is complicated because you have to press buttons on the ground and you have to have a trapper? wao...ho boy...haven't played in a long time but tastes have changed, BtW I agree on more choice of level 13-15 content, there's too much level 17-20 stuff counting that realistically an average person finishes the entire chain of sharn in heroic (Prt.1-2 and Cogs) finishes all that content that is already like at 18-19 practically at 20 ... it seems to me a waste of time in fact to put it at that level range.

[Nandos]

Heroic expansion content starting levels:
3
5
7
10
15

That only leaves around 13 and 18 to fill in the gaps. Putting this quest and the mini expansion at 18 is fine. They can then put the next full expansion at 13 and that will fit in nicely.

[Toblakai]

Heroic expansion content starting levels:
3
5
7
10
15

That only leaves around 13 and 18 to fill in the gaps. Putting this quest and the mini expansion at 18 is fine. They can then put the next full expansion at 13 and that will fit in nicely.

The level 18 quests are just going go unused then, I know I will be ignoring them except for RxP at cap. I haven't done a heroic quest over 17 in probably the last 30 lives.

[Aelonwy]

I enjoyed the quest. I liked the Croc in the sewer optional too. I still think the name of the quest is weird and nonsensical in context since you kill way more than 10 ...and because you end up helping them it thus makes the previous slaughter feel... unfortunate.

I just do NOT like the name of the quest.

Can I suggest some options from songs by Ratt? I mean you guys have a Music Title spinoff Quest Name theme throughout the game so its a possibility. Just going by song titles and not song content - Head I Win, Tails You Loose would seem fitting for cranium rats.

[ahpook]

As for the cranium rats, ...

I don't remember, are they actually called Cranium Rats? Because they are not Cranium Rats. If SSG wants to call them that then this quest should play differently.

[Strider1963]

The level 18 quests are just going go unused then, I know I will be ignoring them except for RxP at cap. I haven't done a heroic quest over 17 in probably the last 30 lives.

I totally agree. I very seldom (if ever) run a quest over level 16 anymore. So, if these quests are level 18, I may run them once and done, and never again. The only thing that would make me run them is some kind of uber loot :-)

[Ereshkigal]

You'd get XP. There's not a hardlock on that stuff outside of hardcore.

Are you saying that if I ran it on Elite with a level 19 character, I'd get Heroic XP, and if I ran it on elite with a level 20 character I'd get Epic XP?

o.0

[Krelar]

Are you saying that if I ran it on Elite with a level 19 character, I'd get Heroic XP, and if I ran it on elite with a level 20 character I'd get Epic XP?

o.0

That's the way it has always worked with epic levels/xp. The xp you get is based on what level your character is not what level the quest is.

You could actually run level 12 quests on elite with a level 20 character and still get xp (it would be at a -99% penalty so it wouldn't be very much, but you could do it.)

Reaper xp has the lockout between heroic and epic. Legendary xp (30+) has the lockout as well. (although you can still run the quest unlike reaper)

[capsela]

Are you saying that if I ran it on Elite with a level 19 character, I'd get Heroic XP, and if I ran it on elite with a level 20 character I'd get Epic XP?

o.0

You'd earn the heroic xp while in epic. Heroic xp is very small compared to epic xp. 10k vs 50k

[carsonfball]

Am I wrong to believe that if I were to play on elite at level 20 i wouldn't get Epic XP?

Why wouldn't you get XP?

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Are you saying that if I ran it on Elite with a level 19 character, I'd get Heroic XP, and if I ran it on elite with a level 20 character I'd get Epic XP?

o.0

It will be very little xp. IMO if they want them to be "18" just make the quests level 20. Or make them 13. Level 13 is a really great place to put XPAC content because then we can iconic and hop in!

[Valerianus]

https://i.imgur.com/4JhzBDL.jpg

[dunklezhan]

I find this incredibly funny because everyone I talk to says the same thing, yet it is these quests they decided to epicfy later this year.

Huh. Exact opposite of my experience.

I mean, I'd still rather get a story conclusion than an epified version, but have to disagree that the droam quests aren't well liked. Clearly it depends on your running mates / culture.