ISO "Great" new VIP benefits

[ShotCaller]

Anybody find anything yet?

I have purchased a bloodhound and hired a private detective to aid in my search. I will post back periodically with updates.

[thegreatcthulhu]

Can you elaborate on what you mean here? Maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but I am having a hard time understanding what you mean with the "ISO" acronym.

[wolfy42]

Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Here are a few.

VIP's have shared past lives per server (all chars on a server share past lives with each other).
VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's give an additional (on top of current 10% bonus) 5% exp bonus to all party members stacking up to 20% (4 vip members).
VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).
VIP's get 1000 DDO points per month AND a 10% discount (replaced by any discount larger than that).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per day.
VIP's get 1 free 20 lesser heart of wood per month.
VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.
VIP's get 1 extra class change for any lesser reincarnation (+1 means 2 classes, +3 is 4 and +5 is 6).
VIP two part. VIP's can hire 2 hirelings at a time (non-gold) AND can hire rogue hirelings in heroic levels. STill need gold for more than that.


Obviously not all of them at once. Think we should do away with the requirement for past lives or VIP to start on elite at this point, it only affects new players anyway, and HC. I think we should keep the saga skip (even if I have only used it like once ever), as it's a nice perk.
Same with keeping the exp bonus but i'd expand on that like above, adding a party bonus (or make that flat out for everyone, but it's a good way to incentivize VIP, that'll help get more parties going.

Anyway just a few ideas.

[RictrasShard]

Can you elaborate on what you mean here? Maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but I am having a hard time understanding what you mean with the "ISO" acronym.

I believe it means 'in search of'.

[Vint]

It is interesting to see what some of us consider a great perk.

It would be nice if they could set up a trader for VIP like they do when you go pick up your expansion loot. Every month you can select: Discount in the store, cosmetic for the month, gold rolls, or some other ideas people have, but make the month long only and they go away at the end of the month.

For me personally I would love an instant teleport. I do not have the ultimate collection for each expansion, but would keep my sub for instant teleport to any expansion, or possibly more locations.

Just my 2 cents

[Wizard1406]

Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Here are a few.

VIP's have shared past lives per server (all chars on a server share past lives with each other).
VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's give an additional (on top of current 10% bonus) 5% exp bonus to all party members stacking up to 20% (4 vip members).
VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).
VIP's get 1000 DDO points per month AND a 10% discount (replaced by any discount larger than that).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per day.
VIP's get 1 free 20 lesser heart of wood per month.
VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.
VIP's get 1 extra class change for any lesser reincarnation (+1 means 2 classes, +3 is 4 and +5 is 6).
VIP two part. VIP's can hire 2 hirelings at a time (non-gold) AND can hire rogue hirelings in heroic levels. STill need gold for more than that.

[...]

Anyway just a few ideas.

All great ideas except the one where only VIPs *give* grouping bonus. That could lead to elitism "LFM Von3, VIP ONLY". Instead just make it 5% per member. People don't open LFMs often enough, but they go out of their way to get voice, so 5% is good. Current 1% is just too low.

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[ShotCaller]

Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Actually, no, but I respect you for taking the to formulate some suggestions, which is clearly more effort than SSG has expended.

(Hey, SSG, here's how you defuse this bomb quickly and easily: keep the gold rolls in place until such time as you are ready to unveil new VIP bonuses. Order restored; value of player opinions respected.)

[Bunker]

Free server transfers for VIP

[mikarddo]

These two together would do nicely.

VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per chest

[Xgya]

These two together would do nicely.

VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per chest

I like these.
The chest reroll definitely sounds like a VIP perk. QoL with absolutely no effect on maximum power. Even making less than once per chest would still be pretty impactful. Say, once every hour or every few hours.

Some of Wolfy above's ideas would be salvageable too


VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).
VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.


Though I think the first of those two should be an item in the next Anniversary event, because it'd be a lot easier to make as an item than a perk.
Eternal Airship Beacon. Once per hour, beacon.
The augment swap would require some extra coding to work, which is the reason I'm only calling it salvageable, but it'd still be neat.

[Captain_Wizbang]

Free server transfers for VIP


Bunks!!!

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[systemshaker1941]

Still looking.

Way too many people vocally told SSG that VIP was fine as it is, so we aren't getting any improvements to it. Ever.

Each year they might whittle something else away. Maybe next year the 10% XP bonus drops to 5, the movement speed(which already doesn't work half the time) gets dropped entirely. This is the message SSG sent us.

[ShotCaller]

Way too many people vocally told SSG that VIP was fine as it is, so we aren't getting any improvements to it. Ever.

Each year they might whittle something else away. Maybe next year the 10% XP bonus drops to 5, the movement speed (which already doesn't work half the time) gets dropped entirely. This is the message SSG sent us.

Okay, I have no idea what you mean by "way too many people vocally told SSG that VIP was fine as it is", but the other message SSG is sending is that they are relying on a core group of desperate Stockholm Syndrome players that will not cut ties with this game short of their own deaths, full-scale nuclear war, or the demise of DDO itself.

It's been said any number of times that "the game is dying" or that SSG is itself crafting DDO's exit strategy. Is any of this true? Beats me, but if it is, what's the hold up? End it. No point in forestalling the inevitable. The Stockholmers will be sad, but no one ever said gaming under the SSG wing was fair, right?

[systemshaker1941]

Okay, I have no idea what you mean by "way too many people vocally told SSG that VIP was fine as it is",

Take a look at literally any one of the threads recently complaining about the loss of daily gold roles. They are FULL of people saying "no, vip was fine, we didn't need the daily gold roles and we don't need anything else".




It's been said any number of times that "the game is dying" or that SSG is itself crafting DDO's exit strategy. Is any of this true? Beats me, but if it is, what's the hold up? End it. No point in forestalling the inevitable. The Stockholmers will be sad, but no one ever said gaming under the SSG wing was fair, right?

Yes its completely stupid to claim SSG is deliberately sabotaging the game so they can justify shutting it down. They don't have to do that. Look at Asheron's Call. They wanted to shut it down. So they shut it down.

No, SSG is just completely tone deaf, head in the sand, and willing to ignore every single problem with the game as long as the same 5 people in the community(who are pretty obviously just 1 person with 5 forum accounts) insist that everything is just fine as it is.

[wolfy42]

Perhaps make it 2% per party member always, and 5% per vip member with a cap of 20% (so 2 VIP's in a party and the rest non-vip will still hit cap, and a full party of non-vips still get a benefit. That should prevent (VIP only parties).

Augment swapping would just require a special jewlers toolkit that you get in your inventory as long as you are VIP. You could just code that (And even that would just require copying the code for a normal jewlers kit and then make it not go poof after using it). Unlimited use as long as you are VIP, but it goes poof (or perhaps just stops working) if you are not VIP.

The teleporting this is just a minor bonus tbh, and would not affect me at all for most of my characters (I'm a fan of favored souls and I can use word of recall in a quest to get to the guild ship in a a minute from anywhere (even without finishing out of a quest after finishing it). Still would be nice for characters without teleport/word of recall etc.

could also have a longer list of bonuses and have random ones each month for everyone, you don't find out what they are till the start of the new month, and have it actually be based on dice rolls lol....that would be a blast, all of us waiting to see what we will get (you have some that are always in effect, but you also get say, 3 random, VIP bonuses each month as well. That would add some fun into it (you could also do it per player but I kinda like us all being in the same boat for it hehe).

Mainly, I think VIP should be a draw that makes people actually want it, not to support the game (which is great) but because it makes the game MORE FUN. That is the whole point of playing this game. I in no way have felt the game was more fun because I was VIP....well .....almost ever to be honest. I paid subs before FTP came around and just kept doing so afterwards but didn't actually get anything from it. Gold rolls occasionally can give a tome or something but yeah, never, ever, even close, to the value of money I paid VIP for (I got.....I think....1 +5 tome and a few lower +tomes from gold rolls, a bunch of exp/treasure/slayer potions etc, but nothing amazing in the last year.

I did get a freakton of exp stones......but I really don't get much out of them since I mainly reincarnate as Iconic now. They are all just sitting there waiting to be used next time I decide to make another "main" character (3 is plenty though I have no intentions of making a 4th anytime soon).

Anyway more good VIP perk ideas we give them the better I think, maybe they will see them and use the ideas. I would really appreciate being happy I am subbing. Yes, I'll continue to sub anyway, I also buy DDO points and I spent over $300 on the game last year. I love this game. I am not going to stop subbing cause gold rolls are gone (don't even care tbh), but I would like to actually get things I like from subbing since I could just buy points with the same money and actually get useful things that way.

[Wahnsinnig]

Anybody find anything yet?

I have purchased a bloodhound and hired a private detective to aid in my search. I will post back periodically with updates.

The VIP town services item thing they have in Lotro would be real nice.

[Oxarhamar]

Take a look at literally any one of the threads recently complaining about the loss of daily gold roles. They are FULL of people saying "no, vip was fine, we didn't need the daily gold roles and we don't need anything else".




Yes its completely stupid to claim SSG is deliberately sabotaging the game so they can justify shutting it down. They don't have to do that. Look at Asheron's Call. They wanted to shut it down. So they shut it down.

No, SSG is just completely tone deaf, head in the sand, and willing to ignore every single problem with the game as long as the same 5 people in the community(who are pretty obviously just 1 person with 5 forum accounts) insist that everything is just fine as it is.

there probably are maybe the same 5 people in every VIP need help thread saying that it's fine but the Devs have already ackowledged that it does need help I really don't see them picking out the feeback of this minority players then deciding everything is fine

[DareDelvis]

This might be hard to do due to coding…I have no idea
Sure, the favor is not hard to obtain, but does represent time…
Auto leveling to 4 or 7 and still having to get the favor does not really help (me).
Also, I have so many XP gems, I always start at 3 or 4 anyway.
Reincarnating and not having to do House C and K just to get back the bank and bag space would be nice.

[NightHiker]

These two together would do nicely.

VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per chest

The problem with the first suggestion is that it would make low level areas much emptier and make it even harder for the game to entice and retain new players.

The second suggestion (about 3 to 15 shards value) seems to be kinda similar in impact as the daily gold dice (12 shards). I don't see how they'd implement the second when they decided against keeping the first.

I'd guess they'll be more inclined to add benefits that won't have direct impact on the store/shards economy (i.e. no things that can be bought already).

Cheers,
NH

[Eantarus]

there probably are maybe the same 5 people in every VIP need help thread saying that it's fine but the Devs have already ackowledged that it does need help I really don't see them picking out the feeback of this minority players then deciding everything is fine

When those same five people complained about horses in taverns the devs nerfed in a matter of days. Do with that information what you will.

[ShotCaller]

Take a look at literally any one of the threads recently complaining about the loss of daily gold roles. They are FULL of people saying "no, vip was fine, we didn't need the daily gold roles and we don't need anything else".


I have. Probably all of them, in fact. And the ones on social media. What I'm seeing is a significant number of people quite unhappy over daily gold rolls being discontinued. I guess we need a raw post count or the like.

[Oxarhamar]

When those same five people complained about horses in taverns the devs nerfed in a matter of days. Do with that information what you will.

I wouldn’t call no horses in taverns a nerf

I don’t know it is the same 5

[Eantarus]

I wouldn’t call no horses in taverns a nerf

I don’t know it is the same 5

Point being that a very small, very vocal minority cried about it VERY HARD and it got nerfed almost instantly(I believe it took them about 6 days).

And yes its those same 5 or 6 people. The cry, SSG acts. Or doesn't act, in this case.

[Oxarhamar]

Point being that a very small, very vocal minority cried about it VERY HARD and it got nerfed almost instantly(I believe it took them about 6 days).

And yes its those same 5 or 6 people. The cry, SSG acts. Or doesn't act, in this case.

I don’t think it’s the same why would SSG listen to the same 5 people in one instance saying change it then in the opposite saying it’s

I think that’s just biased view

SSG in this case because that’s been the plan this whole time they haven’t figured out yet what they are doing about VIP

[Eantarus]

SSG in this case because that’s been the plan this whole time they haven’t figured out yet what they are doing about VIP

Oh it is abundantly clear they've figured out what to do about VIP: nothing.

[Assassination]

If you would like to see them add something to VIP to make it worthwhile I would suggest that you end your VIP subscription. Mine ended about a month ago and I will not renew until they do something substantial with VIP membership. Please end your VIP if you want to see them do anything.

Believe me, they would like to do less and still take your monthly money.

[ShotCaller]

If you would like to see them add something to VIP to make it worthwhile I would suggest that you end your VIP subscription. Mine ended about a month ago and I will not renew until they do something substantial with VIP membership. Please end your VIP if you want to see them do anything.

Believe me, they would like to do less and still take your monthly money.

That's the plan for me, but my subscription doesn't end until November. SSG doesn't get to chase me away and take my money. They can do one or the other, but not both.

Now if they want to work me a refund for unused time, I'll cancel my VIP as quick as you please.

[Maldorin]

I would like something Iike a free (btc) lesser heart with each reincarnation for VIPs. If worried about hoarding them maybe a character can have only one at any given time, must use 1 to receive 1 the next life.

As this game has continued on it has added complexity. It is very easy for new players and even vets to make a mistake that breaks a build. Lessen the pain a little for VIPs with a free heart.

Also, being able to TR into veteran status as someone suggested is not a bad idea. Could maybe make that a benefit for 3 month subscriptions.

[Eantarus]

If you would like to see them add something to VIP to make it worthwhile I would suggest that you end your VIP subscription. Mine ended about a month ago and I will not renew until they do something substantial with VIP membership. Please end your VIP if you want to see them do anything.

Believe me, they would like to do less and still take your monthly money.

I already ended mine. Put in a whole thread about it.

[wolfy42]

I wouldn’t call no horses in taverns a nerf

I don’t know it is the same 5

I just wanna know who was trying to get those horses drunk!!!

[Oxarhamar]

Oh it is abundantly clear they've figured out what to do about VIP: nothing.

If that’s what you want then that’s ok

I’ll still be waiting to see what they do about it

[Wizard1406]

I think one of the most important additions to VIP would be ending inventory nightmare.

Although storage should of course be improved DRAMATICALLY for everyone, VIPs should have the biggest storage, without paying tons of DP extra.

Isn't VIP about removing barriers? Lack of storage is a big barrier.

First step without any extra storage coding required could be :

VIPs get all shared storage for free, if you unsub excess items are inaccessible unless you resub or buy all the slots. VIP can make a "banking char", unable to quest or get xp but has house K and coinlord slots automatically unlocked.

[Eantarus]

If that’s what you want then that’s ok

I’ll still be waiting to see what they do about it

It is NOT what I want.

But by ending gold roles and not adding new benefits(or even stating that they intend to) SSG has made it abundantly clear that they won't do anything about it.

[adamkatt]

Instant sell on vip benefits?!?! where?!?!

[Eantarus]

Instant sell on vip benefits?!?! where?!?!

International Organization for Standardization?!?!

[ChaosBuddha]

yo mama is an ISO

[Oxarhamar]

It is NOT what I want.

But by ending gold roles and not adding new benefits(or even stating that they intend to) SSG has made it abundantly clear that they won't do anything about it.

If that's your interpretation

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[Gordo]

[QUOTE=ShotCaller;6561981] "the game is dying" or that SSG is itself crafting DDO's exit strategy."
I believe this to be 100% true. The decreasing window between "events" for store sales of shards and points is indicative of a company looking for liquidity anyway it can and eroding the confidence that the game isn't PTW (in some respects) that didn't exist as much before.
The brand is a money maker and they're going to monetize this one way or another. SSG is failing.

[Loromir]

Free server transfers for VIP

This....no brainer!

[Eantarus]

This....no brainer!

Would be really funny if it popped up right after the year of free gold roles. I've got enough banked rocks across all worlds to do an entire life.

[stricek]

Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Here are a few.

VIP's have shared past lives per server (all chars on a server share past lives with each other).
VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
VIP's give an additional (on top of current 10% bonus) 5% exp bonus to all party members stacking up to 20% (4 vip members).
VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).
VIP's get 1000 DDO points per month AND a 10% discount (replaced by any discount larger than that).
VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per day.
VIP's get 1 free 20 lesser heart of wood per month.
VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.
VIP's get 1 extra class change for any lesser reincarnation (+1 means 2 classes, +3 is 4 and +5 is 6).
VIP two part. VIP's can hire 2 hirelings at a time (non-gold) AND can hire rogue hirelings in heroic levels. STill need gold for more than that.


Obviously not all of them at once. Think we should do away with the requirement for past lives or VIP to start on elite at this point, it only affects new players anyway, and HC. I think we should keep the saga skip (even if I have only used it like once ever), as it's a nice perk.
Same with keeping the exp bonus but i'd expand on that like above, adding a party bonus (or make that flat out for everyone, but it's a good way to incentivize VIP, that'll help get more parties going.

Anyway just a few ideas.


These are awesome ideas!
Some of them could be added to current VIP and then they could create a more expensive version of VIP that would include real BIG bonuses!

I don’t know why they haven’t thought of VIP tiers already…there’s definitely people who value their time more than several dollars a month to skip some tedious parts of the game like first few levels!

[SoulDustar]

Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Here are a few.

VIP's have shared past lives per server (all chars on a server share past lives with each other).

Totally exploitable been cover plenty of times on the forums


VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).

What are daily silver and gold rolls for.... oh yeah skipping right to level 4. If you don't have enough gold rolls banked after a year you probably don't need many more


VIP's give an additional (on top of current 10% bonus) 5% exp bonus to all party members stacking up to 20% (4 vip members).

Like anyone needs more xp in DDO. How about a RXP bonus for VIP


VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).

Bind to ship spirit binder /death bang you are on your ship


VIP's get 1000 DDO points per month AND a 10% discount (replaced by any discount larger than that).

This is easy enough


VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per day.

How about VIP one free raid chest reroll per day


VIP's get 1 free 20 lesser heart of wood per month.

That seems like a good way to bypass any or all classes you don't like in a hurry


VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.

Good way to pull augments out of anyone's unbound gear for them nah that won't get exploited


VIP's get 1 extra class change for any lesser reincarnation (+1 means 2 classes, +3 is 4 and +5 is 6).

You go first and when it doesn't work out let us all know. Good way to run 12/6/2 burn a +5 change that 12 over to that disliked class you don't want to play


VIP two part. VIP's can hire 2 hirelings at a time (non-gold) AND can hire rogue hirelings in heroic levels. STill need gold for more than that.

Already available buy the bigger expansions and you can have 5 hires along for the ride


Obviously not all of them at once. Think we should do away with the requirement for past lives or VIP to start on elite at this point, it only affects new players anyway, and HC. I think we should keep the saga skip (even if I have only used it like once ever), as it's a nice perk.
Same with keeping the exp bonus but i'd expand on that like above, adding a party bonus (or make that flat out for everyone, but it's a good way to incentivize VIP, that'll help get more parties going.

Anyway just a few ideas.


Not all of them at once that is a big concession I guess

What about

VIP access to all new Archetype's we all know those are going to be purchase at some point 15 classes one archetype is 45 past lives right there

[Marshal_Lannes]

Many great ideas here. I like the chest re-roll quite a bit. But, let's be honest, there likely won't be any changes to VIP until summer when it will be announced VIPs get daily gold die rolls until the end of the year...

[ChristopHilljr]

Finger crossed we get some news today on the weekly show. Cordovan said he plans on having someone(s) on to interview and maybe do an ask the Devs. Supposedly we are getting a new lammania preview next week as well.

[thegreatcthulhu]

I believe it means 'in search of'.

That makes sense, thanks!


As for what I'd want to see.... maybe some free random goody box of some stuff every month of being subbed. Not saying it has to be an Otto's or a raid item box with Raven+Sharn+Fey+Dread options. But sigh... something "different". The gold roles were cool, but it wasn't my favorite incentive (since I sometimes felt like I was having to log in to play every day just to role).

Really, I'm open to anything myself. I'm happy with the game, despite the concerns I have about SSG surviving the recession.

[Afyndax]

Expansions need to be either real expansions or free to VIPs. The biggest perk is ' access to content '.. but then over the last years it seems like SSG just took what would have normally been free content patches and turned them into the minimum possible amount of content and called them expansions, and charged VIPs for them.

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[Eantarus]

Still looking.

You didn't hear? According to the devs VIP is "A great value" as-is, so there won't be any improvements made!

[ShotCaller]

You didn't hear? According to the devs VIP is "A great value" as-is, so there won't be any improvements made!

The only "great value" I've seen so far is on canned vegetables at WalMart.

[wolfy42]

Totally exploitable been cover plenty of times on the forums

I don't constantly read the forums so I missed any previous threads about this. It's easy to avoid it being exploitable. The exploit is to get past lives from new characters without the extra exp cost. There are multiple ways to avoid this. Past lives don't count account wide till the 3rd for instance (till after you hit 3x exp). There is an option to start a new character with the 2x exp cost as well to get the early past lives to count etc. Tons of ways to avoid it being exploitable and still REALLY nice for everyone playing the game. I would like my 3 mains to all share past lives even if their first 2 lives didn't count.


What are daily silver and gold rolls for.... oh yeah skipping right to level 4. If you don't have enough gold rolls banked after a year you probably don't need many more

First, gold rolls per day are gone now. Second storing all those exp stones is annoying as heck and third, Vet status is worthless for most because we are all reincarnating.....they should be worth something. Skipping to 4 would be a good compromise for reincarnations and it only shaves off a few annoying early hours of play. I think people would appreciate it (and honestly like it better than daily gold rolls).


Like anyone needs more xp in DDO. How about a RXP bonus for VIP

The 20% from partying bonus would also include RXP (just like the 10% VIP current bonus does). And yeah, we don't need more xp I know (though admittingly even after all this time I still have the early DDO mindset where EXP had to be hoarded!!) but it's still a nice bonus and might get more people to party together.


Bind to ship spirit binder /death bang you are on your ship


Even on non-HC I STILL hate dying and avoid it as much as possible. Also you would have to wait to regen spell points (Even if that is fast on a ship), and again, this is just an easy to code minor benefit for VIP.



How about VIP one free raid chest reroll per day

Why limit it. Do you do a raid every day? If you do, ****....but just a free chest reroll would be easy to implement and use. It would get people to log on daily like gold rolls did, but actually PLAY instead of just doing rolls, even if they just ran one quest they are trying to get eq for (or do a Jibbers run hehe).


That seems like a good way to bypass any or all classes you don't like in a hurry

So? You already can. If you don't buy VIP you could just buy a 20 heart of wood instead. Making it a bit easier for VIP players to do so isn't going to break the game at all.


Good way to pull augments out of anyone's unbound gear for them nah that won't get exploited

Tons of ways to deal with this. Removed augments using this method are now bound to account for instance. You can still use jewlers kits if you don't want it bound to your account etc.


You go first and when it doesn't work out let us all know. Good way to run 12/6/2 burn a +5 change that 12 over to that disliked class you don't want to play

Again, if you don't sub for VIP and spend the money on points, you can already do this easily buying a higher version heart. It's only +1 giving you +2 or +6 instead of +1 or +5 hearts. It's minor, but yes, it would allow for more/better changes for multiclass, or lets you end up with a pure class while leveling with 6 rogue levels etc. Again, not a HUGE difference though compared to just upgrading the heart you buy. It would be a nice perk of VIP though.




Already available buy the bigger expansions and you can have 5 hires along for the ride

True, if your willing to buy the biggest expansion packs, which you can easily do if your not subbed to VIP, you already get this advantage. I have never bought a biggest sized expansion, not once. I have on the other hand spent over $300 last year on this game, and over the years I have spent thousands between VIP and DDO points. Giving VIP a bonus to # of hirelings etc......would again give a good incentive to players (especially new ones) to sub. Just cause it's available one way doesn't mean it can't be made available another way, especially making it more likely for SSG to make money in the future (by making VIP actually worth paying for).


Not all of them at once that is a big concession I guess

What about

VIP access to all new Archetype's we all know those are going to be purchase at some point 15 classes one archetype is 45 past lives right there[/QUOTE]

[Arkat]

Take a look at literally any one of the threads recently complaining about the loss of daily gold roles. They are FULL of people saying "no, vip was fine, we didn't need the daily gold roles and we don't need anything else".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm81LSKJC2k

Nonsense.

[Eantarus]

The only "great value" I've seen so far is on canned vegetables at WalMart.

Yes I'm kind of lost as to how anyone at SSG could make that claim with a straight face. But, then, they don't play the game.

[CrisJolliff]

Make ALL expansion sets free to VIPS upon release.
VIP exclusive Veteran starting Level 10 for new characters. They've play-tested this before, it's a no-brainer.
Free character server transfers. (I don't know why this is a big deal for some of you, but sure, let's throw that in.)


This might be enough to convince me to sign back up. Right now I own most of the expansions, classes, and other $#!+, so I see no point in subbing. It's cheaper for me to just buy the basic b!+¢# expansions and earn DDO points to get the new classes and races.


Edit: Clarified text, fixed my censored curse words. I know what I meant, dammit.

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[systemshaker1941]

Still looking.

You're not gonna find any. We got a producer's letter AND a dev interview today. And we're not getting any improvements to VIP.

[ShotCaller]

You're not gonna find any. We got a producer's letter AND a dev interview today. And we're not getting any improvements to VIP.

But...but...what about all the people that said I should be patient and have faith?

[Captain_Wizbang]

But...but...what about all the people that said I should be patient and have faith?

https://media.giphy.com/media/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq/giphy.gif

[Oxarhamar]

You're not gonna find any. We got a producer's letter AND a dev interview today. And we're not getting any improvements to VIP.

The idea discussed was some sort of monthly reward system

[Dandonk]

The idea discussed was some sort of monthly reward system

This is true. This was indeed mentioned.

Exactly what kind of rewards was unclear. The timeline is also entirely unclear. And even if they could get it to work was also not a given.

After a year, color me very much less than impressed with what they came up with. They have no firm idea on what to do, no clue if it can even work, and no timeline on when it might be delivered.

[diasho2]

SSG cares less about their customers than I do about a dog dropping a smelly pile in a dog park 3 states away. The only way to make them care is to hit them in the wallet. Drop VIP, buy points if you wish when they go on sale, stop buying expansions or "mini expansions " with cash. As long as people support their treatment of the players they will continue to do the minimum necessary to keep money flowing. Cut of the flow, something will change. That change may or may not be what you want....but it will change

[Tilomere]

I'd like to see an Armory system to deal with inventory bloat, VIP, RXP cap all at once:

The Armory is a series of blacksmith NPCs with one located within each expansion and quest pack.
You may exchange a regular named item (non-raid, non-ultra rare) from that expansion for a pack/expansion collection token.
Then exchange an amount of tokens equal to the amount of regular named items in the pack/expansion for a Pack/Expansion Item Completion Monster Manual (MM) achievement.
VIP get additional dialog options, which allows them to turn in 10% less tokens for achievement, and maybe also allows converting pack ingredients like brass censors to BTA armory tool kits.
All augments, sentience, and filigrees within consumed items are returned to facilitate Armory adoption.
That MM achievement allows any character on that server and account to generate from that NPC each of those regular items from that quest pack once per life, as an Armory BTC item worth 0 SXP and 0 Gold and 0 Reaper Ingredients (it doesn't interact with any existing crafting or other systems).

A fourth reaper tree allows extra points to be spent to additionally generate Mythic and Reaper affixes on those generated items at a 1% rate per point spent, maximum 100 points.
This tree only accepts reaper points beyond the maximum required to fill other trees, provides leadership HP bonus, and no minimum level requirement.
Leadership HP bonus provides up to 1% per point of your reaper hp to others (not stacking with their own trees).

VIP can then get a VIP Armory jewelers tool kit, that recharges 1 use a day (max 30 charges) while their account is VIP to facilitate their use of the Armory.
This tool kit will only remove augments from Armory items.

Armory tool kits additionally become available in the store.

There, one useful post, back to tr... saying hi.

[archest]

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Royal_Guard_Mask something like this free for each BTC character. (this particular item is actually BTA.)
all access to all content.
all access to shared banks maximums. limit access to withdraw only to initial bank FTP allocation for unsubscribing.
same for character spaces.
1 Each gold roll and silver roll same as FTP.
free transfer coupon ticket 1 for each new character like the lesser heart. (BTC)
I'm against the free augment swaps for VIP.< it takes away from acquiring them from relics and such and would diminish the need for points to remove the rare ones.
character creation levels 4 and 7 are rewarded with favor on the server.
good for the tr xp hounds but are you playing the game with all the xp bonus's?
yes i want a x3 stone of xp bonus so i dont have to play the game as much and still tr alot....

[Oxarhamar]

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Royal_Guard_Mask something like this free for each BTC character. (this particular item is actually BTA.)
all access to all content.
all access to shared banks maximums. limit access to withdraw only to initial bank FTP allocation for unsubscribing.
same for character spaces.
1 Each gold roll and silver roll same as FTP.
free transfer coupon ticket 1 for each new character like the lesser heart. (BTC)
I'm against the free augment swaps for VIP.< it takes away from acquiring them from relics and such and would diminish the need for points to remove the rare ones.
character creation levels 4 and 7 are rewarded with favor on the server.
good for the tr xp hounds but are you playing the game with all the xp bonus's?
yes i want a x3 stone of xp bonus so i dont have to play the game as much and still tr alot....


Free augment swaps for VIP is a good option though it should be one tool per month then it can be saved up to use to swap a set if a player wanted but not endless swapping

Favor & VIP are separate systems and shouldn’t be intertwined you want to skip to 4 that’s fine but you don’t get favor

[Oxarhamar]

This is true. This was indeed mentioned.

Exactly what kind of rewards was unclear. The timeline is also entirely unclear. And even if they could get it to work was also not a given.

After a year, color me very much less than impressed with what they came up with. They have no firm idea on what to do, no clue if it can even work, and no timeline on when it might be delivered.

I’d like to see weekly or monthly log in rewards

Many faves have these where each day you log you get a reward with higher rewards for a week & month

It would be similar to free gold rolls in the way that it would encourage daily log in and play

[Eantarus]

I’d like to see weekly or monthly log in rewards

Many faves have these where each day you log you get a reward with higher rewards for a week & month

It would be similar to free gold rolls in the way that it would encourage daily log in and play

This.

Daily gold roles were a fantastic daily login incentive. Not saying it needs to be that specifically, but some kind of daily login incentive is needed.

[Drunkendex]

ESO has something like that, and it was good way to compel players to at least log in each day, especially when you needed to log in 20 days in one month to get certain reward.

[Eantarus]

ESO has something like that, and it was good way to compel players to at least log in each day, especially when you needed to log in 20 days in one month to get certain reward.

The daily gold roles got me playing a lot more. Very often I'd sign on to do my role, see an LFM up, and play for 6 hours.

Since they ended I've barely logged in at all.

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[Dandonk]

Still looking.

With SSG's non-promise comment, they just bought themselves another year.

"We may possibly do some unknown something at an unspecified time in the future if it can be made to work with an unspecified amount of work".

They should go into politics.

[Anuulified]

[QUOTE=wolfy42;6561873]Probably means list some good/great VIP bonus ideas.

Here are a few.

VIP's have shared past lives per server (all chars on a server share past lives with each other).
No. This would lead to players making no alts and spending less on the game. Keep the lights on.

VIP's can use vet status with reincarnation (Start at level 4/7 when reincarnating as non-iconic).
Sounds doable.

VIP's give an additional (on top of current 10% bonus) 5% exp bonus to all party members stacking up to 20% (4 vip members).
I love it! But make it require at least 1 non vip to become active. This should effectively make it more complicated.

VIP's can teleport to guild ship from anywhere in town (non wilderness areas/quests).
Too many TPs as is. Nty.


VIP's get 1000 DDO points per month AND a 10% discount (replaced by any discount larger than that).
We already get 500, whybqould we need more? More exp potz??

VIP's get 1 free chest re-roll per day.
Sounds good and make non vip have to pay double for their first roll per day.

VIP's get 1 free 20 lesser heart of wood per month.
Why? Kind of useless. +1 heart would be better, but would cause loss of sales.

VIP's straight up have unlimited augment removal (no jewlers kits required). You can swap augments at will while VIP.
They should have just made this a platinum sink. Having to use ponts, luck or farming to sell and buy them is too restrictive.

VIP's get 1 extra class change for any lesser reincarnation (+1 means 2 classes, +3 is 4 and +5 is 6).
Just give a +1 heart per month, though again. Loss of sales.

VIP two part. VIP's can hire 2 hirelings at a time (non-gold) AND can hire rogue hirelings in heroic levels. STill need gold for more than that.
Useless really. Its been years since I met players that run full hire groups

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

Maybe all the great new VIP benefits are over on Orien or Sarlona.

[Eantarus]

Still nothing. The ire among the fanbase has died down.

Seems the devs plan worked. They simply stayed quiet and we all gave up.

[Dandonk]

Still nothing. The ire among the fanbase has died down.

Seems the devs plan worked. They simply stayed quiet and we all gave up.

Yep. They can keep this going all year.... again... and then make the same non-promises next year. Awesome.

[Gljosh]

A way back they offered a Gold Seal Hireling (Alabaster Panther-I think) for people that were VIPs. Maybe work something like that once or twice a year (either a selection of Hirelings or Sentient XP stone)? Or perhaps a way to combine the daily XP stones into stacks, combine into single stones worth 5k (or 10k I just picked a number), or a VIP only banking slot just for XP stones?

[mbartol]

Still nothing. The ire among the fanbase has died down.

Seems the devs plan worked. They simply stayed quiet and we all gave up.

How many hundreds of suggestions and posts (whether helpful, hopeful, bitter, or angry) are ignored by SSG?After enough, there’s honestly no point in wasting more effort. If they gave any indication of caring, it would have been a month ago. And no, the vague promise of maybe doing something at some time if they can maybe get it to work is not addressing the VIP issue.

So yes, many players have given up posting, but many have closed their wallets as well. It’s unfortunate, but SSG hasn’t really demonstrated the desire to keep VIP money flowing in. Some players will continue subscribing, but I imagine enough have switched to a Premium account (or quit entirely) to make an impact.

So despite the ire among the fan base dying down, is it really a win for SSG?

[ahpook]

Still nothing. The ire among the fanbase has died down.

Seems the devs plan worked. They simply stayed quiet and we all gave up.

We gave up asking. Many gave up VIP. Some gave up playing. I am not certain that is "devs plan worked".

[Eantarus]

So despite the ire among the fan base dying down, is it really a win for SSG?

Its as close to a win as SSG ever gets.

[Zuldar]

FFXIV has a pretty good system where you other classes get an xp bonus if they're below your highest level class. How about borrowing from that idea a little and giving your alts an xp bonus while they have less past lives than your main? Would be a sort of middle ground between account wide past lives and how it is now. Heroic, Iconic, and Racial lives would grant 1% each in heroic levels; epics would grants 1% each in epic levels. The bonus would go down 1% for every past live your alt earns, so a fresh alt would get larger bonuses than one that has some past lives under it's belt.

Might even help sell a few tomes and what not if people are playing alts more because of it.

[Raithe]

This thread is hilariously directed at an aspect of the game that shouldn't even be on anyone's radar, and least of all SSG's. The current problem both with financial concerns and gaming concerns revolves almost entirely around:

1) A dwindling playerbase that is increasingly unsocial towards each other, and...
2) A lack of grouping due to both power creep and the dwindling playerbase described in the line above.

Nothing they do for or against VIP benefits is going to have any real effect on either of these major problems. Alternatively, removing free gold rolls may increase the proceeds from astral shard purchases just enough to be worth the effort. Now that is done, everyone can stop harping on this ridiculous topic.

[cadaverash]

Best way to get VIP to quit complaining on the forum is to give them F2P access to the forum.

Just saying.

[Eantarus]

Ah but getting more players to pay for ViP should be very large on SSG's radar. Especially after so many people just canceled.

[ShotCaller]

This thread is hilariously directed at an aspect of the game that shouldn't even be on anyone's radar, and least of all SSG's. The current problem both with financial concerns and gaming concerns revolves almost entirely around:

1) A dwindling playerbase that is increasingly unsocial towards each other, and...
2) A lack of grouping due to both power creep and the dwindling playerbase described in the line above.

Nothing they do for or against VIP benefits is going to have any real effect on either of these major problems. Alternatively, removing free gold rolls may increase the proceeds from astral shard purchases just enough to be worth the effort. Now that is done, everyone can stop harping on this ridiculous topic.

Let me get this straight: DDO is circling the drain because there are fewer players and the ones that are left are power creepers that don't care to mix and mingle. Therefore, I should just shut up, accept the state of things, and consider shelling out for astral shards to further support what was just described as a dying game.

I can't do anything about the decisions others make for themselves. Not my business. Not my problem. I can only worry about me. And as an active VIP player that's on the clock, I'm looking for return on my investment for as long as I'm still here. My concern for the feelings of others don't play into this.

The state of the game is simply this: cure it or kill it. And if you're going to kill it, do it now. No point in forestalling the inevitable. If SSG's genuine ambition is to keep DDO alive and thriving, they have work to do, and the VIP issue is part of it.

[Knightrose]

I would love to have the level 4 or 7 for TR perk as VIP. Absolutely love it.

[ShotCaller]

Still looking.

[Martininice]

This thread is hilariously directed at an aspect of the game that shouldn't even be on anyone's radar, and least of all SSG's. The current problem both with financial concerns and gaming concerns revolves almost entirely around:

1) A dwindling playerbase that is increasingly unsocial towards each other, and...
2) A lack of grouping due to both power creep and the dwindling playerbase described in the line above.

Nothing they do for or against VIP benefits is going to have any real effect on either of these major problems. Alternatively, removing free gold rolls may increase the proceeds from astral shard purchases just enough to be worth the effort. Now that is done, everyone can stop harping on this ridiculous topic.

As this topic is so ridiculous, you certainly won't mind shutting up about it. You are really a hit and miss guy in general, I mean, minus the hit part.

[magaiti]

Being VIP is an honor and a privilege, you are lucky to be able to spend money for such great value.

[mbartol]

My sarcastometer is giving me some weird readings—I think you broke it.

[Bjond]

I would love to have the level 4 or 7 for TR perk as VIP. Absolutely love it.

Would be nice. Still, I'd trade both of those for "VIP can choose the L1 class for Iconics".