Need help! can't TR withj iconic!

[Randomblackdude]

Hi all, i have a problem here.
Basically, i used a +1 heart of wood to get rid of the first barb level on my razorclaw shifter iconic and took 1 lvl of fv, then monk and rest on fighter.
Then i reached lvl 30 and tried to reincarnate, but it said i was not an iconic class so i coudnt use the iconic heart, so i had to ETR to lvl 20.
I thought i could just do the normal 30/20 and then 20/1 but i can't seem to do a TR now since it says i'm an iconic character. Why i couldn't do an iconic tr at 30 if it says i'm an iconic character?
i'm basically stuck at lvl 20 with no feats (i took then randomly thinking i could tr normally).
Any ideas on what to do? buying another + 1 heart would let me tr at 20? or i have to go again to lvl 30?

[Phoenicis]

Hi all, i have a problem here.
Basically, i used a +1 heart of wood to get rid of the first barb level on my razorclaw shifter iconic and took 1 lvl of fv, then monk and rest on fighter.
Then i reached lvl 30 and tried to reincarnate, but it said i was not an iconic class so i coudnt use the iconic heart, so i had to ETR to lvl 20.
I thought i could just do the normal 30/20 and then 20/1 but i can't seem to do a TR now since it says i'm an iconic character. Why i couldn't do an iconic tr at 30 if it says i'm an iconic character?
i'm basically stuck at lvl 20 with no feats (i took then randomly thinking i could tr normally).
Any ideas on what to do? buying another + 1 heart would let me tr at 20? or i have to go again to lvl 30?

I think you will need to do a LR to get the character back in shape then run back to 30. At which point, if it still won't let you Iconic TR open a ticket with CS

[rabidfox]

I LR+1 to remove levels all the time on iconics and then iconic TR at 30+. Not sure why it gave you that message, you should've been able to do it just fine.

[Fauxknight]

I LR+1 to remove levels all the time on iconics and then iconic TR at 30+. Not sure why it gave you that message, you should've been able to do it just fine.

Agreed, it should have worked even with the class switched out. I've only swapped out the base class maybe twice, but the Iconic TRs went through just fine.

[Splunge]

Basically, i used a +1 heart of wood to get rid of the first barb level on my razorclaw shifter iconic and took 1 lvl of fv, then monk and rest on fighter.


I've never lesser reincarnated, so maybe I'm missing something, but should this even be possible? If the toon started as a barbarian, shouldn't it be non-lawful? The wiki says that you can't change your alignment with a LR, so how was the OP able to take a level of monk, which requires a lawful alignment? Maybe that has something to do with the problem.

[Randomblackdude]

I've never lesser reincarnated, so maybe I'm missing something, but should this even be possible? If the toon started as a barbarian, shouldn't it be non-lawful? The wiki says that you can't change your alignment with a LR, so how was the OP able to take a level of monk, which requires a lawful alignment? Maybe that has something to do with the problem.

i bought from the ddo store the thing to change alignment!

[BDog77]

but it said i was not an iconic class so i coudnt use the iconic heart

This is a little weird, since you don't use the heart of what you are, but the heart of what you are TRing into.

For example, I used an iconic heart on my Pally when I wanted to TR him into a PDK. Of course, he was able to TR using the iconic heart even though he was not iconic. When I reached 30, I used a true heart of wood to TR him back into a pally.

It is my understanding that once you have ERed an Iconic, however, your only option is to return to level 30, however, once you get there, you should be able to TR into another iconic (with an iconic heart) or TR into a regular class (by using a true heart of wood).

[Jaxtan]

Just to eliminate possible sources of the unusual problem, was this character created on a hardcore server and then transferred to a regular server?

[Steeme]

This is a little weird, since you don't use the heart of what you are, but the heart of what you are TRing into.

For example, I used an iconic heart on my Pally when I wanted to TR him into a PDK. Of course, he was able to TR using the iconic heart even though he was not iconic. When I reached 30, I used a true heart of wood to TR him back into a pally.

No, this is not how it works. You use the heart that matches the type of reincarnation you are performing. If you are Iconic, your option is to ITR, which requires an Iconic Heart.

The OPs problem is different, his character is likely borked somehow due to the LR+1 followed by Alignment change followed by LR+1 sequence that was required to delete the Barb level and multi-class into 3 different classes.

I'm going to come out and say this though - that's a lot of DDO points spent to jury-rig an iconic into a non-final build that ends up TR'ing at cap.

[MistaMagic]

This is only my opinion but I think the problem is this

When the Devs created Iconics I think they tied them to Alignments so when you changed your alignment it no longer registered you as an Iconic and as such getting back to 30 will not fix you problem. If this is the case then apart from contacting CS which I would do now I can only suggested you change your alignment back to what it was originaly

[Phoenicis]

This is a little weird, since you don't use the heart of what you are, but the heart of what you are TRing into.

For example, I used an iconic heart on my Pally when I wanted to TR him into a PDK. Of course, he was able to TR using the iconic heart even though he was not iconic. When I reached 30, I used a true heart of wood to TR him back into a pally.

It is my understanding that once you have ERed an Iconic, however, your only option is to return to level 30, however, once you get there, you should be able to TR into another iconic (with an iconic heart) or TR into a regular class (by using a true heart of wood).

This is incorrect.

You use the type of heart to get the past life you want. An iconic at 30 MUST use an iconic heart of wood.

[Fauxknight]

This is incorrect.

You use the type of heart to get the past life you want. An iconic at 30 MUST use an iconic heart of wood.

An Iconic can always ETR, but they can not follow that with a Heroic or Racial. Any Iconic that someone ETRs must level back to 30 to either ETR again or Iconic TR.

Edit: I wouldn't personally ETR an Iconic, but I've seen it happen several times on accident by people that either forgot they were Iconic or didn't fully understand the no Heroic/Racial ramifications that follow.

[Wahnsinnig]

No, this is not how it works. You use the heart that matches the type of reincarnation you are performing. If you are Iconic, your option is to ITR, which requires an Iconic Heart.

The OPs problem is different, his character is likely borked somehow due to the LR+1 followed by Alignment change followed by LR+1 sequence that was required to delete the Barb level and multi-class into 3 different classes.

I'm going to come out and say this though - that's a lot of DDO points spent to jury-rig an iconic into a non-final build that ends up TR'ing at cap.

Everything you say here is 100% wrong.

[kpak01]

you don't use the heart of what you are, but the heart of what you are TRing into.


This is wrong.

The only kind of TR an Iconic can do is an Iconic TR, using an Iconic Heart. Then, after they do it, they have free choice to become Iconic or not.

(Yes, an Iconic can do ER or LR, but those are not forms of TR like Racial TR, Heroic TR, or Iconic TR. Some people casually say "ETR" but in reality, there's no such thing, and they are just being sloppy with terminology.)



It is my understanding that once you have ERed an Iconic, however, your only option is to return to level 30


This is correct.

[Steeme]

Everything you say here is 100% wrong.

Are you sure? I see now that I was assuming the LR+1 sequence was done after 20 heroic levels were taken already, and so you can save one of the LR+1's if you do it at Level 15. But that's far from my post being 100% wrong.

These forums suck, not sure why I even bother posting.

[C-Dog]

(edit- corrected confuzled copy/paste)


Everything you say here is 100% wrong.
The first paragraph isn't, it's 100% right.


...you don't use the heart of what you are, but the heart of what you are TRing into.
100% WRONG <agreeing w Steeme>. Maybe more than 100% since you italicized it. :cool: (Please delete/erase/edit your post accordingly, so you don't misinform others)

What you are reincarnating TO has ZERO influence on the Heart you choose. You choose a heart based on what you ARE and what PL you are getting NOW. Your next build - Heroic or Iconic - doesn't care which Heart you use, so long as you use a True Heart for a True Reincarnation which gets you to a new life.

For a character that is Heroic Race Lvl 20 - use HoW for Class PL, or a HoB (Heart of Blood) for Racial PL; character can then start at either 1 or 15, your choice.

For a character that is Iconic, you must wait to 30 and then either use an Epic True Heart of Wood (for Epic PL, reincarnate to 20) or an Iconic True Heart of Wood (for Iconic PL, reset to new character and then restart at either 1 or 15).

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Reincarnation#What_type_of_reincarnation_will_I_us e.3F

[C-Dog]

Hi all, i have a problem here.
...
Then i reached lvl 30 and tried to reincarnate, but it said i was not an iconic class so i coudnt use the iconic heart, so i had to ETR to lvl 20...
This is very odd. LR's (+0, +1, +20, whatever) should have zero effect on Iconic status for IR at 30.

Gotta ask - are you 100% sure you had an Iconic True Heart of Wood? (You should still have it since you couldn't use it.)


i'm basically stuck at lvl 20 with no feats (i took then randomly thinking i could tr normally).
Any ideas on what to do? buying another + 1 heart would let me tr at 20? or i have to go again to lvl 30?
I can easily see doing that, but now you're stuck with it. And, worse, you have to get to 30 again, so "1st time XP bonuses" are lost. :(

Yeah, you gotta LR again (don't need another +1, you are what you are now), rebuild something solid, and get to 30.

If you can't IR then, that's when you contact CS. (You could try now, but I wouldn't bet on that working out - but you could try.)

[Steeme]

100% sure.


Your post that was cited said nothing about +1 Hearts. What said is, in fact, 100% wrong. You said...

100% WRONG. Maybe more than 100% since you italicized it. :cool: (Please delete/erase/edit your post accordingly, so you don't misinform others)

What you are reincarnating TO has ZERO influence on the Heart you choose. You choose a heart based on what you ARE and what PL you are getting NOW.

For a character that is Heroic Race Lvl 20 - use HoW for Class PL, or a HoB (Heart of Blood) for Racial PL; character can then start at either 1 or 15, your choice.

For a character that is Iconic, you must wait to 30 and then either use an Epic True Heart of Wood (for Epic PL, reincarnate to 20) or an Iconic True Heart of Wood (for Iconic PL, reset to new character and then restart at either 1 or 15).

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Reincarnation#What_type_of_reincarnation_will_I_us e.3F


Dude, on the one hand you say I'm 100% wrong, then you say exactly the same thing I did.

If he is level 30 and an Iconic Race, he needs an Iconic Heart to perform an ITR. That's the exact opposite of what BDog said, which is what I responding to.

Then I said he had to perform an LR+1 and Alignment change to delete the Barb level which is auto-granted from Razorclaw into a 1 Fvs / 1 Monk / 18 Fighter build, and this may have borked his character because it prevented him from the ITR at cap. You are saying this is wrong as well - yet you say exactly the same thing afterwards.

Like I said, these forums suck.

[Cernunan]

Hi all, i have a problem here.
Basically, i used a +1 heart of wood to get rid of the first barb level on my razorclaw shifter iconic and took 1 lvl of fv, then monk and rest on fighter.
Then i reached lvl 30 and tried to reincarnate, but it said i was not an iconic class so i coudnt use the iconic heart, so i had to ETR to lvl 20.
I thought i could just do the normal 30/20 and then 20/1 but i can't seem to do a TR now since it says i'm an iconic character. Why i couldn't do an iconic tr at 30 if it says i'm an iconic character?
i'm basically stuck at lvl 20 with no feats (i took then randomly thinking i could tr normally).
Any ideas on what to do? buying another + 1 heart would let me tr at 20? or i have to go again to lvl 30?

Had you leveled to 31 or 32 before? If you had enough xp to level past 30 you would have to finish leveling to your max level before ITRing. You can't do it at 30 if you have enough xp for 31 or 32

[Oxarhamar]

An Iconic can always ETR, but they can not follow that with a Heroic or Racial. Any Iconic that someone ETRs must level back to 30 to either ETR again or Iconic TR.

Edit: I wouldn't personally ETR an Iconic, but I've seen it happen several times on accident by people that either forgot they were Iconic or didn't fully understand the no Heroic/Racial ramifications that follow.

I did all my primary ETRs Iconic

Iconic starts at 15 get to 20 skipping a good amount of Epic quests for first time bonuses later without much trouble

You can go 20-30 at least twice on just first time bonuses & slayers on 3rd time can do a big chunk with sagas left hanging from the first 2

You can flag & stay flagged for raids during that period

When you exhausted the first time bonuses & slayers 3rd time back to 30 just ITR & repeat




I hope OP figures out the problem

[C-Dog]

Dude, on the one hand you say I'm 100% wrong, then you say exactly the same thing I did.
LOL - sorry - had too many quotes open at the same time, mis-pasted yours for his.

My bad, will edit the quoted post. :o

(You couldn't figure that out in context? When I wrote "you said" and then quoted the other guy? Rly? :confused: <shrug>)

[Mindos]

Had you leveled to 31 or 32 before? If you had enough xp to level past 30 you would have to finish leveling to your max level before ITRing. You can't do it at 30 if you have enough xp for 31 or 32

Hmmm. So the question is, does Iconic NEED to level to 31 or 32 if it can before it can do it's reincarnation? This is a good point, thank you for bringing it up. Also, I have noticed that when leveling to 31 or 32, the game sometimes does NOT display the levelup icon on the screen, meaning it is easy to miss that you even can level up.

[Fauxknight]

I did all my primary ETRs Iconic

I was only saying I personally wouldn't do it. Short term it's a great way to get those strong ETRs out of the way. Long term you run out of ETRs and Iconic TRs far faster than racial or heroic TRs, which turns later TRs into a bit more of a slog. Just depends on what your long term goals are.



As to the OP I think I might have seen the same error message when I did my lesser TRed Iconics. The TR worked though, you definitely have to Iconic TR.

[Oxarhamar]

I was only saying I personally wouldn't do it. Short term it's a great way to get those strong ETRs out of the way. Long term you run out of ETRs and Iconic TRs far faster than racial or heroic TRs, which turns later TRs into a bit more of a slog. Just depends on what your long term goals are.



As to the OP I think I might have seen the same error message when I did my lesser TRed Iconics. The TR worked though, you definitely have to Iconic TR.

Can’t combine racial TRs with Iconic anyway

ITR HTR RTR aren’t much different to call a slog anyway all 3 can easily be done before the timer is up given the playtime is there

it’s more about what content you want to run some like Epic and some like heroic

[Fauxknight]

Can’t combine racial TRs with Iconic anyway

No, but to me max efficiency is 1 Iconic plus 1 Heroic per life or 1 Epic plus one Heroic/Racial per life. Even pairing them up like that to get two TRs per life you run out of Epic and Iconic TRs far before you get all the Heroic and racials done. This means you are already going to be stuck with running lives less efficiently once you can't double up anymore. Running ETRs out of sync only exasperates this problem and has you running single TR lives even sooner.

Just saying long term that was my preferred plan, and it payed off. At this point I have 4 Archtype TRs left before I run out of TRs, and they are a bit tedious for the minimal gain that running a whole life for 1 TR benefit nets me.