Daily Dice - Hardcore

[GoldyGopher]

It seems Daily Dice is missing from the Hardcore Server.

What gives?


Tried to post/link a picture but no go, missing security token.

[Cordovan]

Daily Dice has been disabled from the Hardcore server, make sure to get your characters off of the world as soon as you can. Reminder free transfers are available through Sunday.

[GoldyGopher]

Daily Dice has been disabled from the Hardcore server, make sure to get your characters off of the world as soon as you can. Reminder free transfers are available through Sunday.


Going to ask, why?

I spent all of my astral shards, but I know of someone who still has a few left to spend. What are they supposed to spend them on now?

[Wahnsinnig]

Daily Dice has been disabled from the Hardcore server, make sure to get your characters off of the world as soon as you can. Reminder free transfers are available through Sunday.

Seriously, why?

You guys at SSG just keep giving the people that pay for your game a slap in the face dont you?

[Halciet]

https://i.imgur.com/zyhtJcd.jpg

[Yamani]

Going to ask, why?

I spent all of my astral shards, but I know of someone who still has a few left to spend. What are they supposed to spend them on now?

Hardcores been over for what? Weeks? If you haven't spent your shards by now that's 100% on you. The dice were probably turned off because people intentionally leaving toons on HC for the Daily Gold/Silver rolls to transfer off at the last second.

[auntjobiska]

Hardcores been over for what? Weeks? If you haven't spent your shards by now that's 100% on you. The dice were probably turned off because people intentionally leaving toons on HC for the Daily Gold/Silver rolls to transfer off at the last second.

And what was wrong with that?

AJ

[GoldyGopher]

Hardcores been over for what? Weeks? If you haven't spent your shards by now that's 100% on you. The dice were probably turned off because people intentionally leaving toons on HC for the Daily Gold/Silver rolls to transfer off at the last second.

Is that against the rules?

Was it posted somewhere?

[Yamani]

Is that against the rules?

Was it posted somewhere?

Not sure if you noticed, but they disabled rolling in the post season now cause it was unintended?

[GoldyGopher]

Not sure if you noticed, but they disabled rolling in the post season now cause it was unintended?

What is unintended?

Daily Dice, with free gold rolls, has never been a issue before, not even with the Season Pass was active which covered Season I, II and III. So why now is it unintended?

[gorocz]

Hardcores been over for what? Weeks? If you haven't spent your shards by now that's 100% on you. The dice were probably turned off because people intentionally leaving toons on HC for the Daily Gold/Silver rolls to transfer off at the last second.

And transfers have been broken for most of the time. And then they fixed them but kept them turned off for Orien. Then they fixed Orien but never announced it, so I'm sure there's some poor souls that don't even know it's available for Orien and are waiting with transfers until they say it's OK to transfer.

[Mindos]

The goal is to encourage people to transfer now to avoid any last minute problems that delay the closure of the Hardcore server.

[QuantumFX]

make sure to get your characters off of the world as soon as you can.

Easier said than done. You guys broke transfers to Sarlona again.

[Mindos]

Easier said than done. You guys broke transfers to Sarlona again.

Then they fixed Orien but never announced it, so I'm sure there's some poor souls that don't even know it's available for Orien and are waiting with transfers until they say it's OK to transfer.



I can't transfer to Orien either.

[uncus2]

That's one less server I have to log into every day :D

[It's a joke! Play - or just log in for the dice rolls - any way you want]

[gravisrs]

For those who ended in having lot of shards left (thank you SSG for giving this info in advance! You could give at least 24hr window for those who wanted to spend shards on daily dice...)

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Astral_Shard#Astral_Shard_uses

Most valuable thing IMO you can do with your leftover shards other than daily dice is:
- augments - Fearless, Heavy fort, Water Breathing, Feather Falling, Randall Lyric new augments (hamp, MP, RP, Dodge etc)
- gold seal rogue hirelings for heroics
- Purified Eberron Dragonshard Fragments (if you're a crafter on main server)

[Kelledren]

I can't transfer to Orien either.

Just transfer somewhere as they promised to offer free transfers to Orien soon. Some have already transferred toons elsewhere expecting free transfers to Orien at some point.

As for Sarlona transfers not currently working…

[Seph1roth5]

Completely stupid. Something that would've been fine if you had announced it before the end of HC that daily dice wouldn't be available in the post season. It has nothing to do with people waiting to long to transfer, because that's been going on for weeks. They just didn't realize that daily dice were a thing people liked, and now that they learned it they probably had a meeting on how to screw players over as much as possible without making them quit.

[NemesisAlien]

I just logged into HC and was wondering why there is no dice also.

[droid327]

The goal is to encourage people to transfer now to avoid any last minute problems that delay the closure of the Hardcore server.

The seems pretty self-apparent and reasonable

I don't know why people seem so entitled to DD after the event has been closed down anyway. It's not an active server. You're no longer advancing characters on that server. Anything you're getting is solely for export...so really, anything you get after the event ends is a bonus

[NemesisAlien]

The seems pretty self-apparent and reasonable

I don't know why people seem so entitled to DD after the event has been closed down anyway. It's not an active server. You're no longer advancing characters on that server. Anything you're getting is solely for export...so really, anything you get after the event ends is a bonus

I bring my dice and whatever I get to my home server, always transfer on the last day. EVERY HC event.

[GoldyGopher]

The goal is to encourage people to transfer now to avoid any last minute problems that delay the closure of the Hardcore server.


The seems pretty self-apparent and reasonable

I don't know why people seem so entitled to DD after the event has been closed down anyway. It's not an active server. You're no longer advancing characters on that server. Anything you're getting is solely for export...so really, anything you get after the event ends is a bonus

It is not a question of whether it seems reasonable rather it is a question of process.

Players in the previous five hardcore seasons, which included three under the Season Pass, had until the last day to do things, including questing as well as Daily Dice rolls, before transferring. Why would anyone think six was different? To not give players notice of the change is the unreasonable part. Had they said last week or two weeks ago, Daily Dice off on Wednesday Nov 30, none of this angst happens. SSG didn't do that.

[Impaqt]

It is not a question of whether it seems reasonable rather it is a question of process.

Players in the previous five hardcore seasons, which included three under the Season Pass, had until the last day to do things, including questing as well as Daily Dice rolls, before transferring. Why would anyone think six was different? To not give players notice of the change is the unreasonable part. Had they said last week or two weeks ago, Daily Dice off on Wednesday Nov 30, none of this angst happens. SSG didn't do that.

point out where the rules say it is intended for daily dice to be rolled after the season has concluded.

Whether or not it was "Intended" or not is academic if the rule isnt defined. it is SSGs intention right now to turn it off. and if that gets people to move their characters sooner, all the better. Its a flippin dice roll dude. It not the end of the world.

[Coffey]

It is not a question of whether it seems reasonable rather it is a question of process.

Players in the previous five hardcore seasons, which included three under the Season Pass, had until the last day to do things, including questing as well as Daily Dice rolls, before transferring. Why would anyone think six was different? To not give players notice of the change is the unreasonable part. Had they said last week or two weeks ago, Daily Dice off on Wednesday Nov 30, none of this angst happens. SSG didn't do that.

Totally agree with you.

[GoldyGopher]

point out where the rules say it is intended for daily dice to be rolled after the season has concluded.

Whether or not it was "Intended" or not is academic if the rule isnt defined. it is SSGs intention right now to turn it off. and if that gets people to move their characters sooner, all the better. Its a flippin dice roll dude. It not the end of the world.

Update 17 Patch 1


Earn daily rewards from the Dungeon Master just for logging in! When you log into the game each day, you'll get a notification that a daily reward is available. The
Daily Dice (https://ddowiki.com/page/Daily_Dice) system can be accessed from the start menu, or by clicking the icon that displays in your health bar when a free roll is available (this small icon appears next to the mail icon.) Each player gets a free roll on the Silver Chest loot table once per day (one free roll per account per server per day), and can spend Astral Shards (https://ddowiki.com/page/Astral_Shard) for additional rolls if desired. Players can also choose to use their free Silver Chest roll to reduce the cost of a roll on the Gold Chest table. Players can spend Astral Shards to roll on the Gold Chest table.

You can add a couple of other patch notes and the most recent Producer's Letter granting Gold Rolls.

It is not the dice roll that matters, it is the people who were hoarding Astral Shards to make one last series of daily dice rolls on one last character before the transfer window closed.

[Impaqt]

Update 17 Patch 1



You can add a couple of other patch notes and the most recent Producer's Letter granting Gold Rolls.

It is not the dice roll that matters, it is the people who were hoarding Astral Shards to make one last series of daily dice rolls on one last character before the transfer window closed.



THose look like patch notes from the Live updates. Doesnt Hardcore have its own rules?

[Kelledren]

It is not a question of whether it seems reasonable rather it is a question of process.

Players in the previous five hardcore seasons, which included three under the Season Pass, had until the last day to do things, including questing as well as Daily Dice rolls, before transferring. Why would anyone think six was different? To not give players notice of the change is the unreasonable part. Had they said last week or two weeks ago, Daily Dice off on Wednesday Nov 30, none of this angst happens. SSG didn't do that.

I feel it was done prior to closure to see if any transfer fails occurred- which sounds like it happened. So now there are a couple days to come up with an alternate plan to get characters to Sarlona/Orien where transfers failed. If you are sad and missing your daily dice rolls- good news- HC is coming back next week! I for one think it’s way to soon- but DD gold rolls are the silver lining I suppose.

[Tscheuss]

I feel it was done prior to closure to see if any transfer fails occurred- which sounds like it happened. So now there are a couple days to come up with an alternate plan to get characters to Sarlona/Orien where transfers failed. If you are sad and missing your daily dice rolls- good news- HC is coming back next week! I for one think it’s way to soon- but DD gold rolls are the silver lining I suppose.

Assuming the Daily Dice rolls come back with the new Hardcore Season.

[GeneralDiomedes]

point out where the rules say it is intended for daily dice to be rolled after the season has concluded.

Whether or not it was "Intended" or not is academic if the rule isnt defined. it is SSGs intention right now to turn it off. and if that gets people to move their characters sooner, all the better. Its a flippin dice roll dude. It not the end of the world.

If it is to avoid a crush of character transfers at the last minute, then it is reasonable.

If it is just to take away a perceived exploit to get an extra DD roll, then it is ... rather petty.

[Coffey]

If it is to avoid a crush of character transfers at the last minute, then it is reasonable.

If it is just to take away a perceived exploit to get an extra DD roll, then it is ... rather petty.

They should have given everyone notice. Its not a difficult thing to do.

[superevbully]

It seems Daily Dice is missing from the Hardcore Server.

What gives?


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in all fairness i think this is ok obv there are issues with servers etc maybe a notice they were turning off the dicw qould have been warranted ...........but to my point ........jan 1st 2023 will they or do they have the stones to actually disable daily gold rolls when vip even by their own accord needed to be beefier .....think this was bad lol get your popcorn rdy cuz if they do i see tons of folks including myself cancelling said sub

[CaptainPurge]

jan 1st 2023 will they or do they have the stones to actually disable daily gold rolls when vip even by their own accord needed to be beefier .....think this was bad lol get your popcorn rdy cuz if they do i see tons of folks including myself cancelling said sub

This is something I've thought about when the Daily Gold Roll was implemented. Yes, they gave notice way back then so it is 1000% fair to shut it down back to 1 Gold Roll / week. It's just that human behavior adjusts to conditions and when we go from Daily to Weekly, I wonder how folks will feel when it actually hits Jan 1. At least we got fair notice on this one, the same can't be said about a lot of other...things I'm not going into here. (IMHO it's not something to cancel over, but can feel your pain.)

OTOH, maybe they change Gold Roll rewards to be 7x "better", whatever that would entail, when they go back to Weekly.

[superevbully]

This is something I've thought about when the Daily Gold Roll was implemented. Yes, they gave notice way back then so it is 1000% fair to shut it down back to 1 Gold Roll / week. It's just that human behavior adjusts to conditions and when we go from Daily to Weekly, I wonder how folks will feel when it actually hits Jan 1. At least we got fair notice on this one, the same can't be said about a lot of other...things I'm not going into here. (IMHO it's not something to cancel over, but can feel your pain.)

OTOH, maybe they change Gold Roll rewards to be 7x "better", whatever that would entail, when they go back to Weekly.

Yep fair nuff ....in my case it was the dice that got me to re up ,,,that was the beef i was looking for when i unsubed

[gravisrs]

If it is to avoid a crush of character transfers at the last minute, then it is reasonable.

Character transfers takes seconds (If you tried that recently, you'd notice). Not an impact at all.



If it is just to take away a perceived exploit to get an extra DD roll, then it is ... rather petty.

They didn't turned off the FREE DAILY dice, but the dice altogether. Spending shards is not an exploit!

[Sylvado]

I think there should have been a warning period but it seems clear to me the reason is to avoid the large number of transfers in the last 16 hours.

[Sylvado]

Character transfers takes seconds (If you tried that recently, you'd notice). Not an impact at all.




They didn't turned off the FREE DAILY dice, but the dice altogether. Spending shards is not an exploit!

It takes seconds when the transfer rate is low, don't assume it scales proportionally.

Edit: Also likely has a lot to do with a new season starting 2 days after this one shuts down, so if there are transfer problem there is much room to extend while issues get resolved.

[GoldyGopher]

Many posts have missed my argument.

SSG made an unannounced change to the hardcore server that affects a small sub-set of players, this change negatively affected at least one player that I know of. Where there is one there is probably more.
It does not matter if this was planned six months ago or at a meeting on Tuesday night, or if SSG hopes this elevates problems of Transfers on the December 4th or even if they have the best intentions. An unannounced change is an unannounced change.

Between seasons of the Hardcore League players lose their Astral Shards on the Hardcore Server. The easiest thing to spend Astral Shards on Hardcore Server is Daily Dice. If you had managed to rack up 1500 Astral Shards selling "junk" in the shard exchange and thought you had until December 4th (this upcoming Sunday) to do your thing and SSG changes this up with the unannounced change of disabling Daily Dice, now what? There are only so many useful augments you can buy.

Had SSG simply giving notice, say last week, that solves this problem in its entirety, it becomes a non-factor. That is not what SSG did.

Instead at least another player that I know of are taking a "break" from DDO. How many of those players do not return to the game after their break?
How many player's complain about low player counts, difficulty filling parties, are clamoring for a server merges? This is just another example of something small that had SSG handled different would have retained at least one more paying player.


With respect to Senator Everett McKinley "A player here, a player there, and pretty soon you're talking real money."

[ahpook]

Many posts have missed my argument.

SSG made an unannounced change to the hardcore server that affects a small sub-set of players, this change negatively affected at least one player that I know of. Where there is one there is probably more.
It does not matter if this was planned six months ago or at a meeting on Tuesday night, or if SSG hopes this elevates problems of Transfers on the December 4th or even if they have the best intentions. An unannounced change is an unannounced change.


I understand your point and won't say you're wrong. They should have turned off the free daily rolls but left the paid rolls for this specific concern.

However, with all the things that SSG is poor at communicating and documenting, this seems fairly insignificant. I can't see a benefit to waiting until the last day to use the shards for rolls and waiting until the last moment seems like pointlessly flirting with disappointment. I can understand how SSG would have failed to spot this condition as being something needing an announcement. If SSG ever gets a reasonable pattern of communicating with players, I will totally back you up that they should be announcing things like this in advance. Asking for this in light of all there other communication issues seems pointless IMO.

[rabidfox]

They should have given everyone notice. Its not a difficult thing to do.

That sums it up. A simple heads up "this is what we're gonna do on a X date" would've solved the issue. Basic communication would've prevent ****ing off a group a customers. Are they a small subset of players? Sure, but why actively antagonize a group of paying customers by not communicating with them so they don't find themselves with astral shards and their planned dumped for them removed... Little things like this slowly reduce player morale bit by bit.

[axel15810]

I agree with SSG on removing daily dice on HC prior to the last day in order to get people to transfer. They don't want to deal with people who missed the deadline and it makes sense to not incentivize staying until the last day to avoid creating upset players.

But yes, they absolutely should have announced it last week, at least, so you don't have players stuck with a bunch of non-transferable shards they were planning on using for rolls on the last day. They had dice enabled up to the last day afaik in the past, so a change in policy should have been noticed so you don't have players losing out of a bunch of shards they earned or purchased with intention of using them for rolls.

SSG should reverse course on this and turn rolls back on and allow them up until the last day (Sunday), just for this season. And then going forward they should add a disclaimer to the Hardcore ddo.com web page that daily dice rolls are not available during the last week of the transfer period or whatever time period they choose. And then start doing it for Season 7 and onwards.

I'm going to guess they did this on a whim and just didn't quite think this through. If I had earned or purchased tons of shards on hardcore and was saving them up for the last day just to have SSG turn it off without any warning I'd be really upset. Not that it's good to wait until the last day, but SSG had allowed it in the past so players rightfully assumed that's how it would work this time.

[JollySwagMan]

Aye it'll help reduce complications when taking server down soon

Power to ya if you did all your dice rolls, left a few characters on HC for gold rolls but didn't force myself to log in daily for it.

[Uska]

I can't transfer to Orien either.

Free transfers will be available later just transfer anywhere

[losian2]

This REALLY is a situation of "you should know better" as a player. It's the "Hardcore" server - not the "get extra daily dice and not actually play hardcore and just use it because you know eventually you'll get a free transfer to take advantage of" server. Pretty sure that's obvious and doesn't need to be said explicitly. Being upset about this is just silly.

[Sir_Noob]

Hardcores been over for what? Weeks? If you haven't spent your shards by now that's 100% on you. The dice were probably turned off because people intentionally leaving toons on HC for the Daily Gold/Silver rolls to transfer off at the last second.

That is what I was doing, but after a 2nd day of no daily dice I just transferred my last toon off today.
Nothing wrong with taking advantage of what is being freely given.

[Eelpout]

This REALLY is a situation of "you should know better" as a player. It's the "Hardcore" server - not the "get extra daily dice and not actually play hardcore and just use it because you know eventually you'll get a free transfer to take advantage of" server. Pretty sure that's obvious and doesn't need to be said explicitly. Being upset about this is just silly.

Where does the "It's the players fault when SSG makes poor decisions" attitude come from? I truly don't understand that stance. Having a differing opinion is what makes for good discussion, but player blaming, especially when it isn't someone taking advantage of an exploit, boggles my mind.

Also, it is not the "get extra daily dice and not actually play hardcore and just use it because you know eventually you'll get a free transfer to take advantage of" server. It is the "Cash cow get you to spend extra money server and then find creative ways to not let you use it for how you intended" server.

The fact that Astral Shards can be purchase on a temporary server and not moved to another server seems like bad design in the first place, and when you throw in unannounced changes that limit what you can use them for adds to that issue.

Just because I don't spend money on that server, doesn't mean I can't see the issue. I may not be upset, but I guess that makes me silly. I am good with that.

[Nickodeamous]

Hey there,

Been reading through this thread and i think the simple fix here would be for SSG to say, "when you transfer your last toon, they take all the astral shards with them". This doesn't fix the missed daily dice rolls, but we are talking about 2-3 days, so meh. It would be a nice gesture to allow you to bring your shards over (one way only from hardcoare to main).

just a thought.
Nico

[rabidfox]

Hey there,

Been reading through this thread and i think the simple fix here would be for SSG to say, "when you transfer your last toon, they take all the astral shards with them". This doesn't fix the missed daily dice rolls, but we are talking about 2-3 days, so meh. It would be a nice gesture to allow you to bring your shards over (one way only from hardcoare to main).

just a thought.
Nico

Astral shards, mounts, non-combat pets, guild stuff (airship, renown)... these are the things we've been asking for the ability to move for ages (well, mounts most recently) long before HC even existed. Maybe someday they'll make transfer code that can move this stuff over.

[Yavool]

Daily Dice has been disabled from the Hardcore server, make sure to get your characters off of the world as soon as you can. Reminder free transfers are available through Sunday.

@Cordovan I believe this was entirely unnecessary. I have saved my Astral Shards until the end of each season in order to utilize them for daily dice before I transfer. Now, I'm stuck with 145 Astral Shards...shards that I purchased and/or earned, and I can't roll for daily dice. There is no reason for this unannounced shift, especially when there was no warning that this would happen.

Poor form! :(

-yav:

[Coffey]

Where does the "It's the players fault when SSG makes poor decisions" attitude come from? I truly don't understand that stance. Having a differing opinion is what makes for good discussion, but player blaming, especially when it isn't someone taking advantage of an exploit, boggles my mind.

Stockholm Syndrome.

[arrowhawn]

Seriously, why?

You guys at SSG just keep giving the people that pay for your game a slap in the face dont you?

Isn't that the truth!!!!!

[Bunker]

@Cordovan I believe this was entirely unnecessary. I have saved my Astral Shards until the end of each season in order to utilize them for daily dice before I transfer. Now, I'm stuck with 145 Astral Shards...shards that I purchased and/or earned, and I can't roll for daily dice. There is no reason for this unannounced shift, especially when there was no warning that this would happen.

Poor form! :(

-yav:
Run a quest on HC that you want an item from. Burn those shards on rerolls.


And also take the lesson you learned for future seasons. Don't hold your shards till the last minute. Live & learn.

[SavageDoom]

@Cordovan I believe this was entirely unnecessary. I have saved my Astral Shards until the end of each season in order to utilize them for daily dice before I transfer. Now, I'm stuck with 145 Astral Shards...shards that I purchased and/or earned, and I can't roll for daily dice. There is no reason for this unannounced shift, especially when there was no warning that this would happen.

Poor form! :(

-yav:

The "end of the season" was weeks ago. If you save your shards til the end of the season, you should have spent them weeks ago.

[Phoenicis]

IMO the devs should take a lesson from the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Disable login to hardcore the day after the season ends. Transfers off only. If you have something in the shared bank you want on your main server get it out before the season ends.


AND STICK TO IT.

[Martininice]

This REALLY is a situation of "you should know better" as a player. It's the "Hardcore" server - not the "get extra daily dice and not actually play hardcore and just use it because you know eventually you'll get a free transfer to take advantage of" server. Pretty sure that's obvious and doesn't need to be said explicitly. Being upset about this is just silly.

It is also the "SSG tells you you can transfer your toons from for free later"-server, you genius...

[Aelonwy]

Just a thought for anyone still with Astral Shards on HC but that new Augment vendor guy Randall Lyric, they placed in some of the expansion zones such as Saltmarsh, Feywild, Isle of Dread... he has some nice hard to get augments like tactics, melee/ranged power, deadly, accuracy, etc. You could trade AS for those and if you don't really want or need them on your main server put them on the Shard Exchange to recoup some of your shards.

[Coffey]

IMO the devs should take a lesson from the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Disable login to hardcore the day after the season ends. Transfers off only. If you have something in the shared bank you want on your main server get it out before the season ends.


AND STICK TO IT.

It worked fine for 6 seasons. SSG abruptly removed a feature that players were enjoying. And now you want to completely remove the extra time for the players altogether?

Whats worse is they havent apologized and are allowing this stupid thread to continue.

[mbartol]

It worked fine for 6 seasons. SSG abruptly removed a feature that players were enjoying. And now you want to completely remove the extra time for the players altogether?

Whats worse is they havent apologized and are allowing this stupid thread to continue.

Whittling away at players’ fun one decision at a time.