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Aingealico
11-16-2022, 11:42 PM
Greetings, first time poster here, I joined DDO recently after a invite from my friends and still learning it, seems to have a decent learning curve which is good and I have been enjoying myself here, met some great people in the community.

I have a level 14 Dark Apostate / 6 Paladin, at Epic level 29.
Since the patch came out, I noticed something odd and I tried researching it first and using the practice dummy and on some mobs and I review the Combat readout, but either I am not understanding how it works correctly or there is a bug, so have come here for advice on several things, first being Imbues.

I have Slayer of Evil 1, 3 Dice, Apostates Curse 7 Dice and Embodiment of Law 2 Dice and use them with a Favored Weapon. When I Toggle Slayer of Evil 1, it does less than half the damage than when I toggle Apostates Curse and I see NO damage coming from Embodiment of Law. No Immune messages, nothing on dummy or mobs. I thought I understood Imbues to lend themselves to what you have toggled on from different classes unless it says otherwise.

On the Character sheet Tab it says I have 10 Imbues, I thought with Embodiment of Law it would add up to 12. But Slayer of Evil 1 does less than half the damage of Apostates Curse which would seem in line if it was 3 Imbue Dice to the Apostates Curse 7 Imbue Dice in spite of one is running on 200% Melee Power and the later being 100% Spell Power. But I thought it all stacked, it just did the damage according to the Toggle for all 3 Imbue Abilities. So they would do 12 Imbue Dice damage according to the Toggle with the addition of Embodiment of Law, but it just says 10.

The other thing I don't understand is this. When I am running Shadow Shrouding which says I am considered Undead and using Magnus of the Eclipse's Dark Light of the Moon and standing inside of it, if I cast it and Undead is in it, I see them heal, but even though its Negative Energy, I have seen no healing effect from it myself as an Undead. Yet if I am in range of someones Death Aura, I heal from that.

Thank you all in advance for your advice and time.

Good Day
Aingelico

jirksa
11-17-2022, 02:51 AM
Greetings, first time poster here, I joined DDO recently after a invite from my friends and still learning it, seems to have a decent learning curve which is good and I have been enjoying myself here, met some great people in the community.

I have a level 14 Dark Apostate / 6 Paladin, at Epic level 29.
Since the patch came out, I noticed something odd and I tried researching it first and using the practice dummy and on some mobs and I review the Combat readout, but either I am not understanding how it works correctly or there is a bug, so have come here for advice on several things, first being Imbues.

I have Slayer of Evil 1, 3 Dice, Apostates Curse 7 Dice and Embodiment of Law 2 Dice and use them with a Favored Weapon. When I Toggle Slayer of Evil 1, it does less than half the damage than when I toggle Apostates Curse and I see NO damage coming from Embodiment of Law. No Immune messages, nothing on dummy or mobs. I thought I understood Imbues to lend themselves to what you have toggled on from different classes unless it says otherwise.

On the Character sheet Tab it says I have 10 Imbues, I thought with Embodiment of Law it would add up to 12. But Slayer of Evil 1 does less than half the damage of Apostates Curse which would seem in line if it was 3 Imbue Dice to the Apostates Curse 7 Imbue Dice in spite of one is running on 200% Melee Power and the later being 100% Spell Power. But I thought it all stacked, it just did the damage according to the Toggle for all 3 Imbue Abilities. So they would do 12 Imbue Dice damage according to the Toggle with the addition of Embodiment of Law, but it just says 10.

The other thing I don't understand is this. When I am running Shadow Shrouding which says I am considered Undead and using Magnus of the Eclipse's Dark Light of the Moon and standing inside of it, if I cast it and Undead is in it, I see them heal, but even though its Negative Energy, I have seen no healing effect from it myself as an Undead. Yet if I am in range of someones Death Aura, I heal from that.

Thank you all in advance for your advice and time.

Good Day
Aingelico

Hi,

You cannot see any DMG from embodiment of the Law, it just ads to your dice, it is not a separate dmg.

For the slayer of evil vs DA curse - what is exactly your Melee power and Spell power for the curse?

droid327
11-17-2022, 03:12 AM
Some negative spells and effects are flagged "hostile only"...you can't use them to self heal. The flip side is anything that does self heal undead counts as a friendly spell and won't trigger "on offensive spell cast" effects

With that level split you're likely to have more than 2x the light spell power as you do melee power, so that's likely why your DA curse imbue is doing more

Aingealico
11-17-2022, 07:07 AM
Hi,

You cannot see any DMG from embodiment of the Law, it just ads to your dice, it is not a separate dmg.

For the slayer of evil vs DA curse - what is exactly your Melee power and Spell power for the curse?

I have done tests with no Toggles on, and it didn't show up, so I take it that it only works with a Toggle now and how come the character sheet only says 10 instead of 12 Imbue, does the first dice die not count from any Toggle towards another Toggle?

Melee Power is 94, Light/Universal/Potency Power is 323/99/98.

Aingealico
11-17-2022, 07:24 AM
Some negative spells and effects are flagged "hostile only"...you can't use them to self heal. The flip side is anything that does self heal undead counts as a friendly spell and won't trigger "on offensive spell cast" effects

With that level split you're likely to have more than 2x the light spell power as you do melee power, so that's likely why your DA curse imbue is doing more

Ok thanks, I was just confused by how the Death Wards could heal my friend and I but my Dark Light of the Moon only healed hostile Undead.

Fauxknight
11-17-2022, 08:01 AM
Melee Power is 94, Light/Universal/Potency Power is 323/99/98.


IIRC Slayer of Evil scales at 200% melee Power whereas DA's Curse scales with light/alignment spellpower, so you're looking at:

Slayer of Evil = Imbue Dice +188% = 288%
DA's Curse = Imbue Dice +323% = 423%

So not quite double, but you should see about a 50% increase in damage with the curse.

misterski
11-17-2022, 08:46 AM
I have done tests with no Toggles on, and it didn't show up, so I take it that it only works with a Toggle now and how come the character sheet only says 10 instead of 12 Imbue, does the first dice die not count from any Toggle towards another Toggle?

Melee Power is 94, Light/Universal/Potency Power is 323/99/98.

The base damage of imbue toggles do not count as imbue dice. So getting multiple imbue toggles will not increase your imbue damage. Imbue dice are separate.