Paladin class broken after today's patch

[borogrove]

My L14 paladin has no available spells, enhancements or reaper points.

[GhostJ]

I made a post about sacred fist being broken too, I wouldn't be surprised if clerics and bard classes also had issues because of the changes to archetypes they did in the update notes.

[droid327]

Yikes. This is not a good look for the devs. Every update fixing one bug and spawning two others...

They gotta get the train back on the tracks before this goes full on dumpster fire.

[Tyrande]

You sure? I just logged into my capped L32 paladin and she has reaper points, spells, etc. I just cast Holy Sword, Divine Favor, Righteous Command, Protection from Evil, and even non paladin spells: Know the Angles, Renewel (ED). They all work.

Although she is not a sacred fist.

[Frezar14]

Yikes. This is not a good look for the devs. Every update fixing one bug and spawning two others...

They gotta get the train back on the tracks before this goes full on dumpster fire.

No spells for me either. Looks like I can cast them if I have them tabbed, but I can't change any because there are no spell in the spell book.

No enhancement tree.

The animation for my cleric looks like I'm speed punching with weapons in my hands.

Level 8 cleric.

Just quit and relogged. All good now. Although my hit points and spell points are listed as:
496/253
1898/884

[misterski]

No spells for me either. Looks like I can cast them if I have them tabbed, but I can't change any because there are no spell in the spell book.

No enhancement tree.

The animation for my cleric looks like I'm speed punching with weapons in my hands.

Level 8 cleric.

It's not a universal problem since I've logged into both my paladin toons and they were fine. The first one had his spells greyed out on the action bars at first but they were still castable.

[Annex]

For what it is worth, the problems with paladins and vault tabs (another thread) are not universal.

L32 Wizard: Vault tabs fine; Spells fine; Spell book fine and can change spells

L32 Bard: Vault Tabs fine; Spells fine; n/a

L18 Bard: Vault tabs fine; Spells fine; n/a

L24 Rogue: Vault tabs fine; n/a

L15 Warlock: Vault fine; Spells fine; n/a

L23 Cleric: Vault tabs fine; Spells fine; Spell book fine and can change spells

Paladin 6 / Rogue 1: Vault tabs fine; Spells fine (all two of them); Spell book fine and can change spells

L23 Paladin: Never organized vault; Spells fine; Spell book fine and can change spells

L8 Druid: Never organized vault; Spells fine but grayed out until one spell used

I did not conduct a thorough inventory, but clicking through the tabs on the characters listed above, all items were sorted to the expected tabs.

Spells on the bards, cleric, and paladins seemed correct. Testing some protection spells, all worked correctly.

All characters above were created before the introduction of sub-classes. The L24 Rogue, L23 Cleric, and L23 Paladin have performed epic resets since the introduction of sub classes.

For the L23 Paladin, I never sorted her vault into tabs in the first place, so everything sits in the Main tab as expected. She can see her full spell book and the three spells I swapped in worked fine.

The Paladin 6 / Rogue 1 was created after sub classes were introduced. She can cast her two spells. Her vault tabs are fine.

The L8 Druid was created after sub classes were introduced. I never organized her vault. Upon log in, all spells in quick slots were grayed out. Her spell book is fine. Upon pressing a greyed out spell, it casts, and all spells on quick slots revert to not being grayed out.

Edit: Just read droid's post. Now checking ability to change spells.

Edit: Cleric, Paladins, and Wizard listed above can change out spells and cast them. I only tested spells that cast in public areas. I did not attempt to change Bard spells because I only have one Blood of Dragons. Sorry.

Edit: Another thread reports Warlock problems. My level 15 Warlock works fine. I ran her through a quick quest and Evard's Black Tentacles works fine.

[GhostJ]

No spells for me either. Looks like I can cast them if I have them tabbed, but I can't change any because there are no spell in the spell book.

No enhancement tree.

The animation for my cleric looks like I'm speed punching with weapons in my hands.

Level 8 cleric.

Just quit and relogged. All good now. Although my hit points and spell points are listed as:
496/253
1898/884

Thanks, I also logged in/out and now my character is working perfectly fine but also has 1363/878 sp.

[borogrove]

My L14 paladin has no available spells, enhancements or reaper points.

I did try the obvious solution of closing the client and re-starting, it made no difference.

[Tyrande]

I did try the obvious solution of closing the client and re-starting, it made no difference.

The cache needs to clear from your computer. Did you try restarting the computer?

If you're using a RAM disk, you need to rebuild the RAM disk and re-copy DDO in again.

I suspect what is happening here they have redesigned the classes so that the old class id and the new class id does not match.

[Arkat]

Lvel 32 pure pally Vanguard. No Sacred Fist involved. Can cast but all sorts of other issues as you can see below. I have full ship buffs applied, including the +15 elemental resists which you can see are also missing.

Also, on this toon, I normally have 64 Destiny Points to spend as well as 83 Enhancement tree points to spend.

EDIT: Interesting. I unequipped and re-equipped my sword and shield, closed out my client, went to do some stuff, came back and restarted my client, and went into the game with my pally. Everything seems back to normal now. Weird.

https://i.imgur.com/S5cYPGz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nsDtMwf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6RxVZ3f.jpg

[helpfulguy1234]

You sure? I just logged into my capped L32 paladin and she has reaper points, spells, etc. I just cast Holy Sword, Divine Favor, Righteous Command, Protection from Evil, and even non paladin spells: Know the Angles, Renewel (ED). They all work.

Although she is not a sacred fist.

Same. 32 pure pally, non sacred fist. All spells and enhancements available.

[Nite_Prowler]

They gotta get the train back on the tracks before this goes full on dumpster fire.

It's WAY too late for that.

[Talan]

Not sure if this is the sae bug or not, but after patch I could not summon a mount. A mount buff appeared on my buff display but no actual mount or movement speed increase. After both zoning and logging back in this cleared.

However, all my spells (but not enhancement SLAs) were greyed out as if not there anymore. However, once I tried to cast a spell (whilst still greyed out) they all came back, as if just a display bug.

[helpfulguy1234]

It's WAY too late for that.

That train done.......uh.......trained already?

[Memnir]

My Sacred Fist Pally is telling me he is not proficient in handwraps... which is kinda one of their main McGuffins, no?


*exasperated sigh*

[Seph1roth5]

Weird because nothing in the release notes had to do with paladin spells or enhancements. It's like they messed around with other stuff without telling anyone and made new bugs or something, crazy right?!

[rayworks]

My Sacred Fist Pally is telling me he is not proficient in handwraps... which is kinda one of their main McGuffins, no?


*exasperated sigh*


Mine did that too. I unequipped the wraps, moved them a couple of inventory spaces over, re-equipped and they work right now.

[Memnir]

Mine did that too. I unequipped the wraps, moved them a couple of inventory spaces over, re-equipped and they work right now.I tried the un/re-equip thing. Maybe I need to shuffle em around more. Do whatever weird and counterintuitive workaround is doing the trick this time for this problem.


*exasperation exacerbated*

[enkka1]

All or almost all toons (?) have more glitches than the bar with buffs and such at the top of the screen but a simple log out / log back in fixes that. If it doesn't well its time for the common hotfix for the patch

[SilentRunning]

I'm not seeing any issues on my SF Pally, right amount of spell points, spells and enhancements all there.


droid327
Yikes. This is not a good look for the devs. Every update fixing one bug and spawning two others...

They gotta get the train back on the tracks before this goes full on dumpster fire.

Odd how some of us are not having an issue where others are. So obviously you need to look to other causes.


Seph1roth5
Weird because nothing in the release notes had to do with paladin spells or enhancements. It's like they messed around with other stuff without telling anyone and made new bugs or something, crazy right?!

What's crazy is you making assumptions without knowing what's going on.


GhostJ
I made a post about sacred fist being broken too, I wouldn't be surprised if clerics and bard classes also had issues because of the changes to archetypes they did in the update notes.

Broken for you, not others, don't make unilateral statements without having all the same thing for everyone.

[Firebreed]

I'm not seeing any issues on my SF Pally, right amount of spell points, spells and enhancements all there.



1) Odd how some of us are not having an issue where others are. So obviously you need to look to other causes.



2) What's crazy is you making assumptions without knowing what's going on.



3) Broken for you, not others, don't make unilateral statements without having all the same thing for everyone.

What on earth is this LOL.

1) Doesn't matter if all of you or some of you are having bugs after every update, the devs are responsible for them regardless. There's no "other causes".

2) Assumptions are by definition made precisely when you don't know what's going on.

3) He never said it's broken for everyone, he merely speculated that because his (and many others' as is evident from the forum posts) characters were broken, this may have something to do with their common denominator.

Go defend something else man.

[SilentRunning]

Firebreed


1) Doesn't matter if all of you or some of you are having bugs after every update, the devs are responsible for them regardless. There's no "other causes".

2) Assumptions are by definition made precisely when you don't know what's going on.

3) He never said it's broken for everyone, he merely speculated that because his (and many others' as is evident from the forum posts) characters were broken, this may have something to do with their common denominator.

Go defend something else man.

You don't get to dictate to me what I can or can't say.

1. There is always a possibility of other causes, besides Droid has been on this kick for quite some time now, he's always complaining about something.

2.
Seph1roth5
Weird because nothing in the release notes had to do with paladin spells or enhancements. It's like they messed around with other stuff without telling anyone and made new bugs or something, crazy right?! when this kind of comment is made it especially by this individual it's an accusation, as if the devs went out of their way to introduce a problem all for the benefit of some of you so you can cry.

3. From the notes in case you didn't read this part: The Archetype selection menu is now present during Character Generation to prevent players from accidentally skipping the stage where they select their Archetype if they choose to do so..
GhostJ
I made a post about sacred fist being broken too, I wouldn't be surprised if clerics and bard classes also had issues because of the changes to archetypes they did in the update notes.

Did you have a hard time understanding this ?

Go harass someone else.

[Firebreed]

Go harass someone else.

Hard projecting.

[Strider1963]

Whats really scary here is that we have updates, then patches, then patches to the patches and then theres still issues? Now, some people have problems and some don't? None of my toons (including a Pally) have any issues but as there are people here who do have problems makes me wonder whats going to go wrong next???

[Alphabox]

My Paladin also broke.
The Enhance screen only shows a frame.
Please fix it!

Me punching with one hand while holding Great Sword with the other!
I can even hold a weapon and ride a horse!

Maybe I'm cool?

[Epicsoul]

I'm seeing most posts mention Paladin, but this happened on my pure ranger dagger thrower: no enhancements, gear wasn't working, and I was punching with a throwing dagger in my hand.

Relogging and equipping my gear again seemed to fix it.

[helpfulguy1234]

Hard projecting.

IKR?

There are a bunch of people trying to figure out *** is going on and that ONE GUY who comes in being a tool and then accuses everyone else of being a tool.

[Arkat]

...that ONE GUY who comes in being a tool and then accuses everyone else of being a tool.

That's how tools work.

[Sqrlmonger]

Speaking generally, I'm always caught off guard the extent people will go to in order to defend objectively awful performance by developers and it's not at all a singularly DDO thing either.

It's a straight fact that there was nothing in the notes that indicated any changes to anything in this area. The closest thing is the change to the archetype selection button at character creation. So yes, it is perfectly reasonable to attempt to work out what the heck is going on when errors abound in this area.

I don't currently have a paladin, but I am planning to turn my TR toon into one in ~11 lives so hopefully this will be fixed by then. I'll be keeping an eye on it.

[Annex]

Please let the developers do their jobs. There is no need to argue about the root cause of a bug or the best way to fix it. As players, we lack the fundamental means to make such assessments.

If you find a bug, please report it. Include as much information as you can. This will allow a developer to recreate the issue and then look for a solution. If a developer asks for more information, as happened one time yesterday, please provide more detail to the best of your ability. This will save the developer time and allow him or her to fix more problems.

Do not become heavily invested in a bug you report. A developer only has so much time. He or she needs to make difficult decisions about what to correct and what to let go. In some cases you will find a bug, a solution will exist, but a developer can not spare the time to implement the solution. The developer is not disrespecting you or ignoring you.

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I have yet to find an issue with any of my characters or character vaults. For what it is worth, I use the 32 bit client (not the legacy variant) and have never used anything else. To the best of my knowledge, my computer does not use a "Ram Disk". My laptop includes a single solid state drive with plenty of spare room and everything resides there.

[Sqrlmonger]

Please let the developers do their jobs. There is no need to argue about the root cause of a bug or the best way to fix it. As players, we lack the fundamental means to make such assessments.

If you find a bug, please report it. Include as much information as you can. This will allow a developer to recreate the issue and then look for a solution. If a developer asks for more information, as happened one time yesterday, please provide more detail to the best of your ability. This will save the developer time and allow him or her to fix more problems.

Do not become heavily invested in a bug you report. A developer only has so much time. He or she needs to make difficult decisions about what to correct and what to let go. In some cases you will find a bug, a solution will exist, but a developer can not spare the time to implement the solution. The developer is not disrespecting you or ignoring you.

.....

I have yet to find an issue with any of my characters or character vaults. For what it is worth, I use the 32 bit client (not the legacy variant) and have never used anything else. To the best of my knowledge, my computer does not use a "Ram Disk". My laptop includes a single solid state drive with plenty of spare room and everything resides there.

Nobody here is stopping developers from doing their jobs, in fact people here are actively hoping they will do them and, successful or not, are trying to help them do it. The only arguing I've noticed is between people coming in and insisting that people not discuss the issue that is the literal topic of the thread, and the people who would like to discuss that topic. So on that note if people would stop prescribing for others how they should post here, and in so doing derailing the topic, that would be appreciated.

Thanks.

PS - If a developer gets a bug report and then decides not to do anything to fix it, I would say that they are literally ignoring it (e.g. disregarding it intentionally). Now certainly it is fair to say this could be an appropriately judicious use of their time, but to say they are "not ... ignoring you" in such a situation doesn't really follow. I also don't think enough time has passed on this issue for this to really be relevant here anyways, but I digress.

[Firebreed]

Do not become heavily invested in a bug you report. A developer only has so much time. He or she needs to make difficult decisions about what to correct and what to let go. In some cases you will find a bug, a solution will exist, but a developer can not spare the time to implement the solution. The developer is not disrespecting you or ignoring you.


AB-SO-LU-TE-LY not.

Delivering a bug-free product is the SINGLE (not-required-by-law) responsibility a game company has as far as I am concerned. If they don't have enough time to bugfix, that's management disrespecting players. I say management, because I assume that any functional group of developers who find themselves overwhelmed and can't find time to bugfix, would immediately inform management, who ought to rectify the issue ASAP. Not doing so is unacceptable. In fact, like I said, it is the ONLY unacceptable thing they could do (besides doing illegal stuff obviously).

This is amplified by the fact that the DDO playerbase invests large amounts of time in finding, reporting, investigating, troubleshooting, and suggesting solutions for a myriad of bugs. We don't have to do this, yet we do. And despite that, the amount of bugs in the game only grows with each release.

[Krell]

I’ve never seen a bug free software product, much less a bug free game software product. Their top priority is to make a profit so they can stay in business. That said, game breaking bugs impact profits and should be a high priority.

[Firebreed]

I’ve never seen a bug free software product, much less a bug free game software product. Their top priority is to make a profit so they can stay in business. That said, game breaking bugs impact profits and should be a high priority.

That's why we're talking about responsibility and not priority.
And nobody's asking for a bug-free game, we're asking for the number of bugs to finally start decreasing.