Legendary XP Mechanic

[JBS]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

[misterski]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

Just like gaining xp for epic levels requires you to run epic quests, gaining xp for legendary levels requires you to run legendary quests.

[Oxarhamar]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules


Legendary characters only gain xp on legendary quests lvl 30+

You can’t get any XP in Heroic when you are Epic either same concept

[Kelledren]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

For Legendary xp you need level 30+ quests (or explorer areas). The the over leveling does not change, just need to run Legendary quests. Many Sharn quests- cogs in particular- are super fast. It may take a saga or two to hit cap, but once you are there that xp/levels remain even if you eTR. Maybe you already knew all of this and simply do not like the design, but just laying it out in case you didn’t.

[Krelar]

Just like gaining xp for epic levels requires you to run epic quests, gaining xp for legendary levels requires you to run legendary quests.


Legendary characters only gain xp on legendary quests lvl 30+

You can’t get any XP in Heroic when you are Epic either same concept

Except you can in get epic xp from running heroic quests. It follows exactly the same xp penalty rules as normal.
The reason people generally don't is that epic quests are usually worth much more xp than heroic quests.

[Oxarhamar]

Except you can in get epic xp from running heroic quests. It follows exactly the same xp penalty rules as normal.
The reason people generally don't is that epic quests are usually worth much more xp than heroic quests.

Hou are right just tested it been so long since I'd even tried it and was thinking of the epic Reaper lockout

Either way I think it is fine there's plenty Legendary Quests for 2 levels

[kmoustakas]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

I think they expect this to make more sense when the level cap is 40. Remember in practice the game is still in beta mode

[Bjond]

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It's more of a "rude surprise" than a hardship, IMHO. Stuff you used to run @ L30 (eg. WGU to help group finish up after you cap) will no longer give you any XP at 30.

Once you get over the sudden slap in the face, it's pretty easy to dodge the next time around. There's a TON of legendary XP out there and people are happy to bring 29~31 along. If you're solo and need something easier, you can hit some of the flaggers (like Archons or LShroud's pair) or Ravenloft. They're all much easier than some of the more recent legendaries.

Most chars are geared for RXP @ L29. If that describes your char, you can even join RXP groups and get your L32 while also getting some RXP.

[Matuse]

There are more than 100 Legendary quests, 5 legendary explorers, and non-quest Xp from things like the monster manual and sagas can still be applied to legendary leveling.

Plus, as it is right now, each character only needs to level to 32 once. Until they raise the cap again, you will go straight from 29 to 32.

So...really not seeing the problem.

[Wizard1406]

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun.

Run legendary quests (base lvl 30+), on lower difficulties. Elite scales up quest a LOT. So legendary quests on normal and hard are easier than high epic quest on elite, despite being higher level.

[hale99]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

There so much legendary XP out there...once you hit 30 you could just do Ravenloft saga on R1 that would get you to 32 or probably pretty close.

[Aelonwy]

Except you can in get epic xp from running heroic quests. It follows exactly the same xp penalty rules as normal.
The reason people generally don't is that epic quests are usually worth much more xp than heroic quests.

This^. Plus Legendary XP and Epic XP are both used for the same enhancement trees -->Epic Destinies, so it defies logical consistency. It would be like having sub heroic XP being levels 1-10 and suddenly a level 11 cannot get XP from a level 10 quest on elite they need upper heroic XP but ALL the XP still goes into heroic enhancement trees.

It seems arbitrary. I'm sure there were reasons but on the face of it... the way its setup doesn't make much sense.

[Tyrande]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp. [...]

Jules

I won't repeat what others said here about legendary character requires legendary quests to gain legendary XP.

However, I will point out that you can run simple stuff like Crystal Cove CR30 or higher and still get XP. Its soloa-ble up to the first 100+ shards...

You can also run quests in the Cerulian Hills on legendary hard (LH). They should be short and easy. Each quest should take at most 10 or 15 minutes solo.

I know, the rest of the legendary stuff requires expansion packs (Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, IoD), TOEE, or Slavers and can get long...

[Tyrande]

I don't have IoD, but I have heard people say each quest there is pretty short and gave good XP.

Some of the Feywild quests are pretty short too.

Say you got 30 minutes per day. You should be able to run two quests solo in Legendary Hard.

[DreamingReality]

Everyone else has explained how to get XP, but I don't think you understand Heroic/Epic XP either.

To get Heroic XP, you must be no more than 6 levels above the (effective) level of the quest--which changes based on difficulty. For this reason, a person can run a level 14 (base level) on elite (which makes the effective level 16) at level 21 and still get XP for it (albeit very little). If you are level 14 and running that quest, though, and a level 21 enters for any reason, you will not get any XP. Further, if you run that same level 14 quest (base level) on reaper 1 (making it an "effective" level 17 quest) a level 20 will not be able to enter the dungeon at all because that dungeon is heroic and the level 20 is epic. Even if the dungeon is level 19 (base level) and you run it on reaper 1, the level 20 will not be able to enter despite the fact that in heroic you can still get reaper XP +4 levels above the base level of the quest.

In epics, this mechanic changes (which is why it makes sense that it changes for legendary, no matter how frustrating the change). In epics, a level 20 and level 29 can run any quest level 20-32 and get XP for that quest without penalty. At some point, they may change this and not allow epics to get XP running legendary quests, but that would be extremely sad since right now there are almost as many quests for the 3 levels of legendary as there are for ALL 9 levels of epics. If they do this, I hope they then come out with epic/legendary quests like they have heroic/epic and heroic/legendary quests, because frankly there is not enough epic content level 25-29. Also, in epics, if you run reaper, the XP mechanic also changes. You can get reaper XP +6 levels above the base level of the quest--if you are higher than that you will not be able to enter a quest on reaper.

Given that both heroic and epic have different systems for XP, it makes sense legendary also has a different mechanic. As a legendary character, however, you can run epic quests for favor or loot with an epic character and that epic character will still get XP even though you do not.

[Zretch]

There are more than 100 Legendary quests, 5 legendary explorers, and non-quest Xp from things like the monster manual and sagas can still be applied to legendary leveling.

Plus, as it is right now, each character only needs to level to 32 once. Until they raise the cap again, you will go straight from 29 to 32.

So...really not seeing the problem.

How many of those require that you buy expansions?

[JOTMON]

How many of those require that you buy expansions?

Most of them.. which is the point... SSG wants you to spend money, FTP is the teaser to get you interested in the game.

IIRC Legendary FTP with no pack purchases .

Legendary Raids
-Legendary Tempest's Spine
-Legendary Hound of Xoriat
-Legendary Vision of Destruction

Legendary Quests
-Good Intentions
-Lost at Sea
-Search and Rescue
-Memoirs of an Illusory Larcener
-Dread Sea Scrolls



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[KraftLorance]

How many of those require that you buy expansions?

57 of the 140 Legendary quests are from expansions. (Well, technically Saltmarsh is a mini-expansion, but I am rolling it into these numbers.)

[JBS]

Did anyone read into my original post that I don't do grind? I also don't do pugs, too many issues as a female gamer and again most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.

Do you know of ANY casual player that can SOLO a raid?

I have all the expansions.

You only get cove xp if you finish the quest - its been years since I ran it and wasn't impressed with the rewards offered.

I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything and I'm not repeating (ad infinitum) a quest just for an off chance of getting the mythical perfect weapon that will kill everything in its path.

Of those 118 legendary quests - 56 are either long or very long - basically half.

Thank you for your suggestions (including the how I'm doing everything wrong responses)

Jules

[Tyrande]

Did anyone read into my original post that I don't do grind? I also don't do pugs, too many issues as a female gamer and again most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.

Do you know of ANY casual player that can SOLO a raid?

I do not grind too on my characters. If you play a ranged character; and from your forum icon looks like you do; you can solo the demon queen raid (Zawabi's Revenge) pretty easily on Epic Normal, although no XP for legendary characters. As far as legendary raids go, I do not think any of them are solo-able; at least not on my characters. (P.S. I mainly play casters, healers and ranged characters)



I have all the expansions.

Ah, good for you. So Isle of Dread should be pretty easy solo-able except the raid (Skeletons in the Closet).



You only get cove xp if you finish the quest - its been years since I ran it and wasn't impressed with the rewards offered.

Fair point, some of the loot are old. Example, the bottomless bottle of rum which generates a ML11 heal spell. That heal is tiny at legendary levels.




I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything and I'm not repeating (ad infinitum) a quest just for an off chance of getting the mythical perfect weapon that will kill everything in its path.

Reaper is actually not that hard. Its just hard to get started. You need to find casual groups that do flower sniffing reaper 1s. Once your characters have like 21 reaper points into Grim Barricade; its becoming easier to survive.

Mystical Perfect Weapon? You meant an automatic rifle, a fantasy version of an AK-47 or Uzi?
Try an Inquisitive with duel wielding Storm crossbow or Hallowed Splinters. :rolleyes:

Or a jedi light saber? Try https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Rauven_of_the_Frost

Unfortunately all these fancy weapons come from raids.



Of those 118 legendary quests - 56 are either long or very long - basically half.

Thank you for your suggestions (including the how I'm doing everything wrong responses)

Jules

You're welcome.

[JOTMON]

Did anyone read into my original post that I don't do grind?
This genre of gameplay is heavily farming/grinding oriented.



I also don't do pugs
How else are you going to find like minded players to group with.
Solo'ing is boring and much more challenging.



too many issues as a female gamer
Is your gender really relevant in DDO..
DDO tends to have a more mature population of players and quite a few active female players.. this isn't League of Legends.
as a guy I can't give a fair perspective of this particular topic, all I can say is I play with a diverse spectrum of people that enjoy getting together to play the game.



most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.
you are approaching this wrong..
don't try to clean up and kill off everything that is aggro chasing someone else, its not up to you to save them... let that mess catch up to them for them to deal with while you manage what you want to deal with.



Do you know of ANY casual player that can SOLO a raid?
Baiting a false narrative.. casual-solo-raid...
There is no casual solo setting for raids.
Raid (video games), a group of video game players who join forces usually to challenge the most difficult content.
Solo'ers tend to be self sufficient players that are good at balancing the content challenge vs their limitations, and understand the mechanics of content they run.
DDO has a lot of soloists grouping together to get through content efficiently.
Casual players tend to be more relaxed and less invested in the game (they probably have lives outside of the game). They typically don't put in a lot of effort to try to win this game.



You only get cove xp if you finish the quest - its been years since I ran it and wasn't impressed with the rewards offered.
a common perspective from a lot of players, myself included.
Sometimes they add stuff that entices players, sometimes they don't... easy enough to ignore... regular content is still accessible during events.



I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything and I'm not repeating (ad infinitum) a quest just for an off chance of getting the mythical perfect weapon that will kill everything in its path.
stepping stones... work your way up to better gear and run content to get useful items.
There is no 'one' mythical magic perfect weapon that you will find in the game to kill everything in your path.
you are the evolving weapon that is being improved by running content, learning game mechanics and getting all the little perks to help improve your survivability.



Thank you for your suggestions (including the how I'm doing everything wrong responses)
Don't take anything from these forums personally.. its just a game...with Trolls....

[ahpook]

I can agree with the sentiment that there is enough legendary content that this is not a problem (in fact the problem is the other way where most players start running legendary content at L28 or 29 because there is not as much at levels 27-29).

However I also agree with the OP that the artificial discontinuity of leveling that happens at L30 was an awful idea. It was bad idea at L20 (where all of a sudden you could not run L17-19 on reaper or run epic content with Level 20s when one is still level 19). It is odd that they took that bad idea and twisted it into something quite different and equally bad for legendary.

[Lamassut]

I won't repeat what others said here about legendary character requires legendary quests to gain legendary XP.

However, I will point out that you can run simple stuff like Crystal Cove CR30 or higher and still get XP. Its soloa-ble up to the first 100+ shards...

You can also run quests in the Cerulian Hills on legendary hard (LH). They should be short and easy. Each quest should take at most 10 or 15 minutes solo.

I know, the rest of the legendary stuff requires expansion packs (Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, IoD), TOEE, or Slavers and can get long...
A correction: Crystal cove CR 37 does not give legendary xp... It's probably a bug, but it's already known that SSG is slow in fixing bugs that harm players, but quick with those that favor characters,

I have had no problem raising my two toons to 32, but I think it's stupid that they prevent getting xp with epic quests, they should let them get xp with the normal penalty. An epic character can get experience from heroic quests.

[jskinner937]

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I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

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Jules

You can only earn legendary xp in quests that are level 30+ on normal. Think of the same quests you could earn rxp x2 on. But in additional, you can earn LEXP in 30+ wildernesses, events and from xp stones and sagas.

[pjw]

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Thanks OP, you are right. It is an UTTERLY silly mechanic. When Epic levels were first introduced you could still bank XP from heroics, but they stopped that because (IIRC) there was an exploit or flaw of some kind. It's probably gone now.

Yet we remain with the silly heroic/epic XP barrier and now they slavishly introduce an Epic/Legendary barrier apparently for no reason other than "that's what Heroic/Epic does".

Can anybody explain to me why -- especially with the smoother power curve of recent times -- there is any good reason that a level 29 quest should not give XP to a level 30 character? The mind boggles.

[Tyrande]

Thanks OP, you are right. It is an UTTERLY silly mechanic. When Epic levels were first introduced you could still bank XP from heroics, but they stopped that because (IIRC) there was an exploit or flaw of some kind. It's probably gone now.

Yes, there was a flaw. Remember those easy no-fighting optional XP in some quests? :wink: :wink:
I did not take advantage of it, but I know someone who got their 4x epic completionist out of it.



Yet we remain with the silly heroic/epic XP barrier and now they slavishly introduce an Epic/Legendary barrier apparently for no reason other than "that's what Heroic/Epic does".

Can anybody explain to me why -- especially with the smoother power curve of recent times -- there is any good reason that a level 29 quest should not give XP to a level 30 character? The mind boggles.

I think I know the answer to this one. The barrier back then was to want you to buy Eveningstar & Wheelon, i.e. MoTU and Shadowfell Conspiracy, since they are level 20+ quests and raid.
Now, for level 30+, they want you to buy level 30+ adventures, i.e. Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, Saltmarsh and IoD. I bet if they raise the levels (to 34?) again with a new expansion, the new expansion is going to feature quests level 36+.

[DreamingReality]

I also don't do pugs, too many issues as a female gamer and again most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.

I am a female gamer and most of the time I play female characters. I don't see how that prevents you from joining other groups? If you don't want anyone to know your sex, don't use voice chat. Most of the time people are going to think you are a guy whether you are using a female toon or not. (I personally get more upset when they think I AM a male even though I am using a female toon. :rolleyes:) Although I suppose you could give yourself away if you are overly talkative in chat, if you keep quiet or only reply briefly to things, you aren't going to be bothered. Make yourself anonymous and then if someone does find out your secret, they won't be able to find you. Further, it has been my experience that DDO actually has a healthy population of female gamers. You can easily use your friends list to mark which gamers are female and which are not. (Granted the Import/Export feature that is necessary for reincarnation now seems to be broken. :mad:)

I don't farm anything for myself either as a general rule--There is plenty of content to get from level 30 to 32 without repeating anything, and I disagree that most of it takes a long time. In my opinion most of the quests are extremely short. For example, the four quests in the Devil's Gambit are all short enough and high enough XP that those of us who ran dailies used three of them. You could run all those in 30-40 minutes and get 100,000ish XP on elite or 80,000ish on hard (without doing any optionals). I solo level 30 slavers on normal or hard. You don't have to get through all three of them in one shot. By only running legendary quests (and not raids) once through on normal and doing absolutely none of the optionals for extra XP, you should get about 2,700,000 of the needed 3,600,000. If you break all the boxes in those quests (and do no other optionals) that's 200,000-400,000 XP. Taking your time and killing everything in all the quests would get you at least another 200,000-600,000. Wearing your Voice of the Master or equivalent would get you up to 135,000. (You don't have to farm a VOM--they are given at the end of the Delara's chain and you only have to run each quest once.)

What it sounds like more to me is that you are unfamiliar with (or just don't like) level 30-32 content and don't want to join a group that could help you. If you don't join groups, you won't know who zergs and who doesn't. And yes, if you insist on soloing and run the quest the first time it is going to take longer. If you then do not rerun that quest within a reasonable amount of to actually learn it, you might find that it takes a long time every time you run it.

So here is my question: Why even do legendary? I personally see no benefit to it. I ran it because my hubby wanted to do it, but for me it is no different than epic, and it isn't worth it. If you don't like the mechanics and don't like the quests, just pretend they don't exist and reincarnate at 30. Or keep running epic quests (as opposed to legendary) and earn no XP and you will just stay at 30.

[pjw]

Yes, there was a flaw. Remember those easy no-fighting optional XP in some quests? :wink: :wink:
I did not take advantage of it, but I know someone who got their 4x epic completionist out of it.


So the entire reason for the inability to bank heroic/epic XP is now gone, yet it remains and is used as a model for Epic/Legendary. That is beyond daft.




Now, for level 30+, they want you to buy level 30+ adventures, i.e. Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, Saltmarsh and IoD. I bet if they raise the levels (to 34?) again with a new expansion, the new expansion is going to feature quests level 36+.

This seems to be -- at best -- a marginally useful mechanism. (1) because the game is all about TR (done at 30), or end-game (so grind there once and stay); and (2) because the selling point for the various modules is/was their gear: stuff that is either useful at end game or while leveling.

TL;DR we have an absurd mechanism that is just plain annoying and counter-intuitive, and which is in reality just a vestige of quick-fix of an old broken mechanic. XP should just be XP.

[Lorianna]

Did anyone read into my original post that I don't do grind? I also don't do pugs, too many issues as a female gamer and again most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.

Do you know of ANY casual player that can SOLO a raid?

I have all the expansions.

You only get cove xp if you finish the quest - its been years since I ran it and wasn't impressed with the rewards offered.

I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything and I'm not repeating (ad infinitum) a quest just for an off chance of getting the mythical perfect weapon that will kill everything in its path.

Of those 118 legendary quests - 56 are either long or very long - basically half.

Thank you for your suggestions (including the how I'm doing everything wrong responses)

Jules

I guess it depends on what you consider "grind". Going from 30-32 doesn't really take that long. If you have all the expansions, you can go through isle of dread, cerulean hills legendaries, saltmarsh, the cogs, and feywild quests (none of them are really very long), and that should likely get you to 32nd without any real "grind". Especially if you run on legendary hard, which is barely tougher than normal. Elite is definitely not something you want to try until you're very well-geared and confident, though. But even then you don't really need past lives or anything like that for it. Most of my characters are first-life (with a couple having one life), and they can solo LE without any real trouble. Weapon-wise, most of them still just use the free morninglord weapons (which are still extremely good at 32nd). Don't need a raid weapon or anything.

I'm not a super hardcore leveler or anything either. I just run around doing stuff at my own pace, often going afk mid-dungeon to deal with rl, answer the phone, or whatever. It honestly feels like 18-20 takes longer than 30-32. 18-20 definitely feels like a grind.

[Dielzen]

Did anyone read into my original post that I don't do grind? I also don't do pugs, too many issues as a female gamer and again most of the time they race off leaving tons of aggro for someone else to clean up or die trying.

Do you know of ANY casual player that can SOLO a raid?

I have all the expansions.

You only get cove xp if you finish the quest - its been years since I ran it and wasn't impressed with the rewards offered.

I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything and I'm not repeating (ad infinitum) a quest just for an off chance of getting the mythical perfect weapon that will kill everything in its path.

Of those 118 legendary quests - 56 are either long or very long - basically half.

Thank you for your suggestions (including the how I'm doing everything wrong responses)

Jules

Maybe join a guild of people with similar mindsets? Not sure what being female has to do with playing the game. If you think it's an issue, don't use voicechat unless you need to.

[Bjond]

I don't have the gear to survive in reaper anything

Maybe try a static? When grouped with similar folk that you know well, there's a quite a bit of space for creating a build that helps the group a lot and yet doesn't need to "do it all".

If you're on Cannith, look up Silver Legion, it's the DDO branch of Guild Medieval (https://www.guildmedieval.com), a multi-game (mostly MMO) guild. It's primary feature is child-friendly voice/chat. We do guild raids on Tue & Fri @ 21:00 EST. There's almost always space for non-guildies to join and we love having new people along.

IMHO, keeping our guild discord rated-G kid friendly goes a really long way toward ensuring everyone is treated well and feels welcome. It's also hilarious to occasionally hear a 4yr-old shouting "Kill the spider Mommy, kill it!" in voice.


If you don't want anyone to know your sex, don't use voice

If you think it's an issue, don't use voicechat

I know y'all mean well, but it kinda burns me up to think anyone should feel the need to hide themselves in order to get along. On the flip side, I do understand why women in particular might prefer to keep gender anonymous. Sometimes in-game voice chat can seem like a vulgarity contest. And, there's always "that guy" lurking out there that wants to treat games like it's 20m before last call in a singles bar.

[Tyrande]

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I know y'all mean well, but it kinda burns me up to think anyone should feel the need to hide themselves in order to get along. On the flip side, I do understand why women in particular might prefer to keep gender anonymous. Sometimes in-game voice chat can seem like a vulgarity contest. And, there's always "that guy" lurking out there that wants to treat games like it's 20m before last call in a singles bar.

I have been in a discord raid channel where all the talk were f-bombs... someone having a bad day at work or home and came to raid...

[erethizon]

I knew that epic quests were not going to grant legendary experience, but I wasn't aware they were also going to stop giving all Reaper experience. I just want to verify, if you want to run a level 29 quest and get reaper experience, you must remain level 29 or lower correct? Being level 30 prevents all reaper experience from all quests below level 30?

[Maldorin]

Rant On

I'd like to know who's "brilliant" idea it was to change the XP mechanics for legendary questing?

Up until level 30 you can be over level (up to 4 levels iirc) and still get xp.

I've been trying to get my main to cap, she is 1 dot into level 30. I tried the first quest in the Delera's story arc - its level 27 on normal - on elite its lvl 29. My level 30 will get 0 xp for running that quest.

If it was level 7 on normal and level 9 on elite a level 10 character will get almost the full xp as if they were level 9. NOT ZERO.

So for a casual gamer you have made it nearly impossible to run quests to get legendary xp. I feel I'm being regulated to only running explorer areas.

I'm seriously considering mothballing my main character again. Overly difficult quests that are tiresomely long are not my idea of fun. I don't race through quests and dislike being left behind like a redheaded stepchild when I group with others - LFG really doesn't work for me.

The endless grind is why I left the game for like two years and only returned this year.

Rant Off

Jules

The bright side is you only have to level to 32 one time and then it remains through reincarnation.