New Bank Tabs

[Bowmagus]

Am I missing something obvious?

I can create new bank tabs but can't move anything into the new tab from the main bank tab. Not a problem for the Character bank as I can pop stuff into inventory then drag back to the open tab I want them, but this can't be done for the Reincarnation cache.

[KoobTheProud]

For the main bank the inability to move items by dropping them from the bank onto another tab in the bank is a bug according to Cordovan. The workaround is moving from the bank to your inventory and then back to the new tab, which works.

For the TR cache the process will have to take place all in the cache as items removed cannot be put back. Presumably the same bug preventing tab to tab in the main bank is at work in the TR cache as well. The fix should resolve both.

[archest]

the reincarnation cashe is able to store and sort and create tabs but because you have to pull the item into character inventory to place it in a tab folder you cant place it in the sort tab in the TR because you can reuse the storage .
remove the tab ability of the tr bank.

[Cordovan]

For the main bank the inability to move items by dropping them from the bank onto another tab in the bank is a bug according to Cordovan. The workaround is moving from the bank to your inventory and then back to the new tab, which works.

For the TR cache the process will have to take place all in the cache as items removed cannot be put back. Presumably the same bug preventing tab to tab in the main bank is at work in the TR cache as well. The fix should resolve both.

Correct. It may be a bit before we have the functionality back, as it is fairly complex troubleshooting, but the intention is to eventually not have to use your inventory as a middle-step. However, for today and until we get this functionality working correctly, players will have to use their inventory to temporarily contain items while moving them from one bank to another, or from one tab to another.

[Bowmagus]

Correct. It may be a bit before we have the functionality back, as it is fairly complex troubleshooting, but the intention is to eventually not have to use your inventory as a middle-step. However, for today and until we get this functionality working correctly, players will have to use their inventory to temporarily contain items while moving them from one bank to another, or from one tab to another.

Thank you very much for confirming. and to Koob for the quick and helpful response.

[Dread_Luskan]

Correct. It may be a bit before we have the functionality back, as it is fairly complex troubleshooting, but the intention is to eventually not have to use your inventory as a middle-step. However, for today and until we get this functionality working correctly, players will have to use their inventory to temporarily contain items while moving them from one bank to another, or from one tab to another.

Speaking of character inventory, will this custom named tab feature eventually be rolled out for character inventory as well. I'm hoping the answer is YES! Best UI feature ever IMHO

[ilhares]

Speaking of character inventory, will this custom named tab feature eventually be rolled out for character inventory as well. I'm hoping the answer is YES! Best UI feature ever IMHO

Oh, gods, no. Please don't make it any worse than it already is. HARD NO VOTE on this idea. I can barely stand it on my character bank space, but if I lose the ability to keep my nicely placed and sorted gear that I am carrying around I may murder somebody.

[Dread_Luskan]

Oh, gods, no. Please don't make it any worse than it already is. HARD NO VOTE on this idea. I can barely stand it on my character bank space, but if I lose the ability to keep my nicely placed and sorted gear that I am carrying around I may murder somebody.

How on earth do you keep it nicely sorted? Every time you equip and unequip something, it messes up the organization a bit further. The custom tabs provide the same functionality as existing tabs but with more flexibility to it for an arbitrary # of different sized tabs that you can now label. You also no longer would have to mouse over every single item separately to see the name of it, a massive improvement by itself. The only thing different is the look.

[cdbd3rd]

Was looking forward to the new personal storage as it's supposed to be a precursor to expanding capacity eventually. Then I saw it live. What a bummer.

I can see 2 items each in my personal and shared storage. (Didn't think to grab a screenie. ...yet.)

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My addition to the few posts above mine - hells no to changing backpack inventory to this mess of a setup.

[Dread_Luskan]

Was looking forward to the new personal storage as it's supposed to be a precursor to expanding capacity eventually. Then I saw it live. What a bummer.

I can see 2 items each in my personal and shared storage. (Didn't think to grab a screenie. ...yet.)

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My addition to the few posts above mine - hells no to changing backpack inventory to this mess of a setup.

I don't know what you guys are smoking. This way of organizing inventory / space is an order of magnitude improvement lol. I had zero issues other than the well known one discussed about moving between tabs. once that is fixed, this will be the best UI improvement I've ever seen in the game hands down.

[TrinityTurtle]

Was looking forward to the new personal storage as it's supposed to be a precursor to expanding capacity eventually. Then I saw it live. What a bummer.

I can see 2 items each in my personal and shared storage. (Didn't think to grab a screenie. ...yet.)

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My addition to the few posts above mine - hells no to changing backpack inventory to this mess of a setup.

Ya know, if they'd actually put up some more slots to buy, that probably would have gotten them some goodwill in this mess.

[DreamingReality]

How on earth do you keep it nicely sorted? Every time you equip and unequip something, it messes up the organization a bit further. The custom tabs provide the same functionality as existing tabs but with more flexibility to it for an arbitrary # of different sized tabs that you can now label. You also no longer would have to mouse over every single item separately to see the name of it, a massive improvement by itself. The only thing different is the look.

My question is, how could you NOT keep it organized? My bank had three tabs- first was for things I am collecting, second for weapons and third for armor. My backpacks all have the first and second tabs for loot, the third tab for scrolls and potions, fourth for spellmats, clickies, and bags, and the fifth for gear. The only time it gets messed up is if I need to switch between three or more weapons in one quest and then its a relatively simple task to stick them back. You complain you had to scroll over things, but now you have to scroll down a list. Further, if you LIKE the list view, you an already choose that option for your backpack.

[cdbd3rd]

I don't know what you guys are smoking. ....

For those with 4K monitors and a couple acres of screen space, okay. For some of us, this is what we get with the new thing....

https://i.imgur.com/njMMUVy.jpg


I say this as a rabid pack-rat who looks forward to buying more space when it happens. (This is my HC char, or else the Shared would already be 270/270)

For me, the idea of a new system that would allow more space was a dream, but in actual use is coming up short on utility & convenience.

[KoobTheProud]

The only real issue I see with the new bank UI is that it will make playing DDO on the Steam Deck really painful. Not a lot of real estate on a 7" diagonal.

[Buddha5440]

Speaking of character inventory, will this custom named tab feature eventually be rolled out for character inventory as well. I'm hoping the answer is YES! Best UI feature ever IMHO

You already have this functionality on your inventory window. You can sort by item type (weapon/armor/jewelry/clothing/wands/potions/misc (ie augments/kits/etc.), locked/unlocked status, etc. What more would you need?

[ahpook]

You already have this functionality on your inventory window. You can sort by item type (weapon/armor/jewelry/clothing/wands/potions/misc (ie augments/kits/etc.), locked/unlocked status, etc. What more would you need?

Sorting and filter is on Inventory. Custom Tabs are not. The current tab model doesn't work well for things that are not in groups of twenty and if you leave space i a tab, things you pick up can end up in that tab. Custom tabs would make that alternate interface far more useful as the list format requires using the filtering which might not be as quick as goign to your tab that only has spell components.

[Buddha5440]

Sorting and filter is on Inventory. Custom Tabs are not. The current tab model doesn't work well for things that are not in groups of twenty and if you leave space i a tab, things you pick up can end up in that tab. Custom tabs would make that alternate interface far more useful as the list format requires using the filtering which might not be as quick as goign to your tab that only has spell components.

So just lock your spell components and go to the Misc tab with the locked only option selected. Do you really want them to try and alter things that already work? Think of what could happen. It isn't broken, don't fix it.

[Dread_Luskan]

My question is, how could you NOT keep it organized? My bank had three tabs- first was for things I am collecting, second for weapons and third for armor. My backpacks all have the first and second tabs for loot, the third tab for scrolls and potions, fourth for spellmats, clickies, and bags, and the fifth for gear. The only time it gets messed up is if I need to switch between three or more weapons in one quest and then its a relatively simple task to stick them back. You complain you had to scroll over things, but now you have to scroll down a list. Further, if you LIKE the list view, you an already choose that option for your backpack.

scrolling over things 1 at a time is far inferior to having a big list where you can see the names of 20 or so items at a time. NO COMPARISON. And the current inventory does not have custom tabs, they are simply fixed categories. Not the same

[Dread_Luskan]

For those with 4K monitors and a couple acres of screen space, okay. For some of us, this is what we get with the new thing....

https://i.imgur.com/njMMUVy.jpg


I say this as a rabid pack-rat who looks forward to buying more space when it happens. (This is my HC char, or else the Shared would already be 270/270)

For me, the idea of a new system that would allow more space was a dream, but in actual use is coming up short on utility & convenience.

well why are you stacking those vertically when it clearly would be more efficient to set them side by side. Maybe if they allowed collapsing the options section, it wouldn't be as intrusive on a smaller screen.

[Dread_Luskan]

You already have this functionality on your inventory window. You can sort by item type (weapon/armor/jewelry/clothing/wands/potions/misc (ie augments/kits/etc.), locked/unlocked status, etc. What more would you need?

I want the custom named tabs, and an arbitrary # of them. The way I organize I need different tabs the way that makes sense to me, and I want more of them. And actually, my new custom tabs even differ from 1 character to another in their banks. This flexibility is far underrated.

[Buddha5440]

I want the custom named tabs, and an arbitrary # of them. The way I organize I need different tabs the way that makes sense to me, and I want more of them. And actually, my new custom tabs even differ from 1 character to another in their banks. This flexibility is far underrated.

My point being that it makes sense for the Bank (and look how well that is working), not for character inventory. If you don't need it for the quest(s) you're running, why is it in your inventory?

It's already crazy how much we can carry. 10 or more suits of Platemail without breaking a sweat? I get it's a magical world but...

[Dread_Luskan]

My point being that it makes sense for the Bank (and look how well that is working), not for character inventory. If you don't need it for the quest(s) you're running, why is it in your inventory?

It's already crazy how much we can carry. 10 or more suits of Platemail without breaking a sweat? I get it's a magical world but...

I'm not going to go to the bank and swap out inventory items after every single quest. So yes, I like many people carry a lot of stuff around because many situational items are only needed once in a while, but if they aren't in your inventory, tough luck! so the inventory can easily get out of control. I'm surprised I need to explain this though, because I surely know I'm not the only one with frequent inventory issues.

[Buddha5440]

That's what quick slots are for. What you are asking for (as present in the bank 'upgrade') is likely to result in yet another (likely much more detrimental) bug.

[cdbd3rd]

well why are you stacking those vertically when it clearly would be more efficient to set them side by side. Maybe if they allowed collapsing the options section, it wouldn't be as intrusive on a smaller screen.

The right side of the screen is taken up with Backpack Inventory, which is usually an integral part of moving stuff around.

I like the collapsing filter section idea. That could help.

I do concede that my grumblies about the inventory aesthetics fall way behind the priorities of other current stuff going on.

[Buddha5440]

I do concede that my grumblies about the inventory aesthetics fall way behind the priorities of other current stuff going on.

Exactly!

Let them work on fixing the BROKEN stuff in the game (chat connection, ladder bugs, hireling/pet AI, 'repairing previous connection', mobs can target you with ranged attacks (ie. they can arc their bow shots and target you with spells) when they can't see you, etc., etc.

Inventory is just a QoL issue. It's always been around and, thank god it's not like PnP. 20 arrows could cause you to be encumbered. Let alone 2-3 sets of full gear that you just happen to have in your backpack. Sherpas would laugh at trying to carry all that stuff. :)

[Dread_Luskan]

Exactly!

Let them work on fixing the BROKEN stuff in the game (chat connection, ladder bugs, hireling/pet AI, 'repairing previous connection', mobs can target you with ranged attacks (ie. they can arc their bow shots and target you with spells) when they can't see you, etc., etc.

Inventory is just a QoL issue. It's always been around and, thank god it's not like PnP. 20 arrows could cause you to be encumbered. Let alone 2-3 sets of full gear that you just happen to have in your backpack. Sherpas would laugh at trying to carry all that stuff. :)

well that's the thing. To me, broken stuff includes having ridiculous amounts of items that are exponentially expanding over time with no improvements to inventory management other than converting some items to BtA. That to me is one of the most "broken" parts of DDO right now. We really really need better inventory or more inventory (really, both) because the trajectory of where this is headed is not sustainable. So yes, I see it as a top tier issue. All of the other things you mention are minor in comparison to me at least. Pet/hire AI has been the same since day 1, as are many other issues. but inventory is getting worse and worse over time. The amount of time I spend moving items around to mules is ridiculous. There's only so much more of that before it becomes not worth playing anymore because it's just a Mule game at some point.

[Dread_Luskan]

Inventory is just a QoL issue. It's always been around and, thank god it's not like PnP. 20 arrows could cause you to be encumbered. Let alone 2-3 sets of full gear that you just happen to have in your backpack. Sherpas would laugh at trying to carry all that stuff. :)

It may just QoL to you, but it's #1 issue to me. It's literally the biggest time sink in the game for me bar none. Not even a close 2nd place in the matter. You can't compare to PnP because this isn't PnP. MMoRPGs have different parameters that make them playable. If 20 arrows caused encumberance in a MMORPG, maybe 1 person on the planet would play it. MMORPGs need to be playable and not overly tedious on details that don't really matter that much like how weight you carry at one time. Very different dynamics from PnP unless you are hardcore Role player.

[JonD]

While we're on the subject of sorting and filtering, and because I think starting a new thread for this would be overkill, the alphabetical sorting options in the new interface appear to take into account the quantity of the items. So, for the sake of example, "2 Potions of Wonder" would appear near the start of the list while "37 Elixirs of Healing" would appear much further down. This is somewhat counter-intuitive to what I expected from an alphabetical sort - "Elixir" should definitely be listed before "Potion". While you're in that bit of code fixing the known bugs, is there any chance of tweaking the sort function to ignore item quantities?

JonD

[Jontas]

Gentlemen, Ladies,

I have to say I love this feature, and my only gripe is that I cannot have more tabs. Only 8 additional tabs barely fits my needs...

https://i.ibb.co/NL3Yqss/InvTabs.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[Dread_Luskan]

Gentlemen, Ladies,

I have to say I love this feature, and my only gripe is that I cannot have more tabs. Only 8 additional tabs barely fits my needs...

https://i.ibb.co/NL3Yqss/InvTabs.png (https://imgbb.com/)

I haven't yet hit that max 8 limit, so I wasn't aware. But definitely agree it should be more than that for sure. If you really need to have a fixed limit and not an arbitrary limit, how about something like 20 or 30?

[Jontas]

I want the custom named tabs, and an arbitrary # of them. The way I organize I need different tabs the way that makes sense to me, and I want more of them. And actually, my new custom tabs even differ from 1 character to another in their banks. This flexibility is far underrated.

Totally! My main crafter has their bank sorted by item types and special materials...
most of my actively played chars have now have a tab "For later" and one "Grown out of"

[KoobTheProud]

It may just QoL to you, but it's #1 issue to me. It's literally the biggest time sink in the game for me bar none. Not even a close 2nd place in the matter.

Yep, inventory management has been the biggest issue in DDO for a long time.

I gave up LotRO ten years ago because inventory management was at least half the game for me and who wants to spend all their time sorting bags and making space for whatever drops next?

[SocratesBastardSon]

Yep, inventory management has been the biggest issue in DDO for a long time.

I gave up LotRO ten years ago because inventory management was at least half the game for me and who wants to spend all their time sorting bags and making space for whatever drops next?

It's my least favorite part of DDO as well.

[Jinxx]

I haven't yet hit that max 8 limit, so I wasn't aware. But definitely agree it should be more than that for sure. If you really need to have a fixed limit and not an arbitrary limit, how about something like 20 or 30?

You could free up 4 tabs by not having separate tabs for the level ranges. This is redundant becasue the bank already lets you sort by level ranges.

[KoobTheProud]

My tabs at the moment are:

Main
Consumables
Cosmetics
Armor
Clothing
Jewelry
Weapons
Offhand

Main takes everything that does not go into one of the other 7 tabs. Using filtering by level and slot manages everything within the gear categories.

[Buddha5440]

I was wondering... Can we set different tabs to sort different ways (A-Z, 1-32, 32-1) and be saved with that sorting? If not, is it something that could be implemented?

[Stoner81]

I am currently in the process of sorting out my mules with the new banking system... it is slow going but I am getting there.

I have a mule for XP gems from Daily Dice which are now sorted as follows:

100-750
1K-4.9K
5K-9.9K
10K-14.9K
15K+

My issue is I need about another 300 slots just to fit everything!

I have a mule for all my potions of various types like slayer boost, xp pots, melee/ranged/spell/MRR/PRR powers etc so all that is going to take forever and don't even get me started on my crafting blanks! *cries* I'm not as bad as Zavina on that front but he/she is next level and beyond on that front :eek:

Stoner81.

[Buddha5440]

I am currently in the process of sorting out my mules with the new banking system... it is slow going but I am getting there.

I have a mule for XP gems from Daily Dice which are now sorted as follows:

100-750
1K-4.9K
5K-9.9K
10K-14.9K
15K+

My issue is I need about another 300 slots just to fit everything!

I have a mule for all my potions of various types like slayer boost, xp pots, melee/ranged/spell/MRR/PRR powers etc so all that is going to take forever and don't even get me started on my crafting blanks! *cries* I'm not as bad as Zavina on that front but he/she is next level and beyond on that front :eek:

Stoner81.

Why are you saving the lower value XP gems? Why not just use them when you get them and bank the 5K-15K ones (or even 10K-15K)?

That is why many people complain about the storage system (IMO); They tend to keep a lot of stuff that has no real value for future lives/higher lvs. A lot of people keep a non-packrat bank (Don't get offended. IRL, I am a packrat (I can see "Hoarder" on the horizon but I am not moving towards it)) but I keep leveled item sets.

If I am working on Heroic PLs, I keep a set of crafted or SET items at lvs 1 (trust me a ml 1 weapon with 2 +1d6 augments and 2 +1d6 prefix/suffix enchantment is almost good until lv 10) /5/10/15 (no need for 20 if it's a heroic/racial life) and a set of crafted (lv 20/24/28) or SET (lv 20/28/29) for Epics, and Lv 30+ items for Legendary/Legendary Raid running. That's a total of 13 items for each of those level ranges.

My rule of thumb...If I haven't used it in 5 lives... I don't need it and feed it to a Sentient gem, unless it has a mythic boost (+1/3 or +2/4) or fills a current 'set bonus' (until I get a mythic bonus version of it).

I've hypothesize that most people who complain about the inventory system (without just simply asking for player housing (banks have vaults and they can fill up))simply keep too much stuff that they will almost never use and never NEED.

Prove me wrong :)

Happy gaming (yes this is still just a GAME) all :)

I await the comments of those who know more than I.

[SavageDoom]

I really like and appreciate the new bank system, not using it much in my character bank, but a big help in my shared bank. Would be a huge help for me to have them in my crafting bank too. Only minus in my opinion is that those 8 tabs are not enough.

[Phoenicis]

I really like and appreciate the new bank system, not using it much in my character bank, but a big help in my shared bank. Would be a huge help for me to have them in my crafting bank too. Only minus in my opinion is that those 8 tabs are not enough.

My biggest complaint right now is the TR cache doesn't sort right or filter at all.

Tell it to sort by min level 30-1 or 1-30 and nope.

Select the filter for 'rings' for example and nope.

Both banks (personal and shared) function as expected but that TR cache?

But yeah, 8 tabs is nowhere near enough. I can live with it but more would be really really nice.

[cdbd3rd]

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I've hypothesize that most people who complain about the inventory system (without just simply asking for player housing (banks have vaults and they can fill up))simply keep too much stuff that they will almost never use and never NEED.....

I cannot argue this point. Part of that, however, is wondering what might be needed later, or if something in the world changes, etc. ...and yes, part of it IS just, "It's mines! I keep ALL my shinies!"



Yep, inventory management has been the biggest issue in DDO for a long time.

I gave up LotRO ten years ago because inventory management was at least half the game for me and who wants to spend all their time sorting bags and making space for whatever drops next?


LOTRO has made some GREAT changes in inventory management. Various bags now, my main favorites being Crafting and Task bags. Combine that with VIP remote access to Vaults, AH, and Shop - really helps keep backpack space under control on those long overland jaunts.

That remote access thing would be awesomeness here, along with the VIP remote Mail LOTRO has had for some time.

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I have run with folks in the past who open a chest, take 1 or 2 select pieces, then run off letting the rest rot. I've tried, I can't do it. Normal ammo, or spell components is best I can manage to leave behind. :) Yes, I still stop to pick up those little stacks of Copper from breakables - except on HC this season. I wear my Packrat badge with pride. :cool: