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gravisrs
01-30-2022, 08:45 AM
Could you please swap some NPC dialog options for:

Ryo Silverbow - second dialog - so going through "always first" option [spoilers!] will upgrade your inventory tab with Collapsed hole - not a shard option? I've again accidentally spend shards on it while having collapsed hole for that..
Anabele d'Jorasco - so you can obtain quest "The Enemy Within" with "always first" dialog option technique
Sir Kinze MacDunnam - so you can obtain quest "A Relic of a Sovereign Past" with "always first" dialog option technique

I'm sure half of old players and most of new players will be happy with this QOL changes.

LeoLionxxx
01-30-2022, 09:25 AM
Could you please swap some NPC dialog options for:

Ryo Silverbow - second dialog - so going through "always first" option [spoilers!] will upgrade your inventory tab with Collapsed hole - not a shard option? I've again accidentally spend shards on it while having collapsed hole for that..


Agreed, using the original item is preferable and should be the first option.

Tangential request: Could dialog options that have you pay astral shards have the "astral shards" be colour coded? That way the player is more inclined to pay attention to whether or not they're paying with the special & scarce currency.
I think that would just be... this portable hole option & the Storm Horn teleport points? Do I recall that WGU lets you pay AS to safely unlock some orbs?

Tangential request: After using either option to upgrade your invintory space, could we get a yellow DM message on screen? Something like "Your inventory has been expanded by 20 spaces"? The NPC tells you it happened, but to me it's always felt too easy and uncelebrated.



Anabele d'Jorasco - so you can obtain quest "The Enemy Within" with "always first" dialog option technique


I always interpreted this design choice as "this is a spooky scary dungeon, so you're first instinct is to not go in!".

I might recall that "Rakam's trial" does a similar thing (i.e. first option is not for accepting) as the NPC describes the death game and that you have to WALK there.

Given this unique quirk, I'm happy for those two to be left alone, but perhaps I'm in the minority.

droid327
01-30-2022, 01:31 PM
Red Rain - first-option just loops you through the initial dialog

Storm the Beaches - first option commits you to the war ship pathway; the top choice should be "let me talk to the others"

Invitation - first option denies the cards

I don't think first option needs to always be the "tldr advance quest" button, but it should never commit you to spending anything unnecessarily like shards, and it should never force you into an honest choice - ie one where there isn't one clear right choice, but the player must actually make a decision

Also, somewhat unrelated but it reminded me...Quid Pro Quo, the free villager option for both UMD and Disable Device roll for UMD.

dredre9987
01-30-2022, 01:43 PM
I guess just read?

I would hate to see dev time wasted to go through older code and "try" to "fix" this.

Oxarhamar
01-30-2022, 05:03 PM
I guess just read?

I would hate to see dev time wasted to go through older code and "try" to "fix" this.

QoL changes is not a waste of time

Specially when it concerns spending shards

They should give us a lock option for those so they can't be spent when it's unwanted

dredre9987
01-30-2022, 05:30 PM
QoL changes is not a waste of time

Specially when it concerns spending shards

They should give us a lock option for those so they can't be spent when it's unwanted


QoL is not just hey don't read anything?

Isolani
01-30-2022, 06:11 PM
I always pay the 6 AS or whatever it is for the inventory space. It is a small price to pay to get rid of all the collapsed portable holes I had.

Oxarhamar
01-30-2022, 06:26 PM
QoL is not just hey don't read anything?

QoL is making it less easy to spend shards accidentally spend shards should never be the top option

J1NG
01-30-2022, 06:30 PM
QoL is making it less easy to spend shards accidentally spend shards should never be the top option

I agree. However, given that SSG can reintroduce a bug that was eliminated from a previous update (Fred has taken Astral Shards from me despite it was supposed to only be for the initial Feat Swap, and not for any of the Enhancement or Destiny costs that would normally be free if you only had the 15 Astral Shards required for the Feat Swap, meaning Fred is once again stealing Astral Shards for a Feat Swap). I don't hold much hope of that suggestion taking place.

J1NG

Oxarhamar
01-30-2022, 06:32 PM
I agree. However, given that SSG can reintroduce a bug that was eliminated from a previous update (Fred has taken Astral Shards from me despite it was supposed to only be for the initial Feat Swap, and not for any of the Enhancement or Destiny costs that would normally be free if you only had the 15 Astral Shards required for the Feat Swap, meaning Fred is once again stealing Astral Shards for a Feat Swap). I don't hold much hope of that suggestion taking place.

J1NG

Yeah I feel you

droid327
01-31-2022, 08:32 AM
QoL is not just hey don't read anything?

QOL is saving you time on quests you've already run 84 times, not having to read the same dialog every time to know when to push the right button

Enoach
01-31-2022, 09:01 AM
I've of two minds here

1st is this seems less of a QoL vs Let me know the first option is the one I want to take - I don't want to read any dialogs ever
2nd is any dialog that has a purchase should have a Confirmation. I would rather an extra step than to realize too late I've purchased using the wrong resources.

I've wondered if for Ryo Silverbow if it would be better for him to act as follows
1. If you have a portable hole in your inventory offer for the gold, with option of purchasing using a different course
2. Talking to him after he has upgraded has a dialog asking "How do you like my work?"

SurlyYuri
01-31-2022, 10:29 AM
I'd like to see when you choose "Repeat <questname>" it just gives you the quest and not the dialog options.

Oxarhamar
01-31-2022, 10:32 AM
I'd like to see when you choose "Repeat <questname>" it just gives you the quest and not the dialog options.

This

+1

gravisrs
01-31-2022, 11:24 AM
I don't think first option needs to always be the "tldr advance quest" button

It was nice to read the dialogs for the first 20 times. Even going through full dialog tree lorewise. But after hundrets of reincarnations the only option you want is TL;DR

merridyan
01-31-2022, 11:38 AM
Could you please swap some NPC dialog options for:

Ryo Silverbow - second dialog - so going through "always first" option [spoilers!] will upgrade your inventory tab with Collapsed hole - not a shard option? I've again accidentally spend shards on it while having collapsed hole for that..

Problem with this change is that people are used to picking the second option and will end up paying shards accidentally and come to the forums to complain...