Epic Destinies after rewrite

[Lucha]

I am trying to figure out the best course of action for epic destinies since the whole revamp. There seems to be a lot of things that were suggested for DI tree that no longer exist. So my questions is... What is everyone doing for Epic Destinies for Alchemist these days? (I have looked at MotE and EA and both seem lack luster for an Alchemist)

TIA

[dogsoldier]

I am kind of struggling with this as well right now.

Exalted mantle is amazing if you have a healing focus, and its a bargain at 11 points at level 23. 12 points in Primal gets really nice Spells (Carrion Swarm and Shard Storm are my picks here, esp with the level 23 boost to shard storm). The trouble with both of those destinies is there is a huge dead zone past 11/12 points spent. So if you want Mass Frog or Holy Fireball, you have to squander 18-19 points on filler stuff to get there.

Draconic and Fatesinger have better T3/4 abilities (Greater Shout SLA, Double the dmg of Dragons Breath), but in order to get there reasonably, you have to lean into the strike and mantle of that tree, so not much flexibility, and the low hanging fruit from EA/Primal is totally or somewhat wasted. You can use Shard Storm and Dragons Breath together, but Carrion Swarm puts Dragons Breath on cooldown, so not worth using if you are mainly using Draconic.

Magus is extremely disappointing, I occasionally look at it, but never use it. Shiradi is good if you are a thrower I guess, or if you just want to use the mantle, spamming for procs. For damage probably Draconic mantle is better than Shiradi, as you don't have nearly as much filler to select to max out the mantle.

Shadowdancer has DDoor which is nice, Evasion is redundant for Alchemist, and this tree is way too specific to force damage to be of much use for an Alchemist.

Fury has -350 Unconscious range for 11 points at level 26, which is nice if you have -1000 from the Apothecary capstone.

What I am thinking about doing is 11 points in Exalted for the mantle, 11 points in fury for the Unconscious range, and then go T5 Primal, for the Acid/Poison spells and Mass Frog.

For more damage, T4s in both Draconic and Fatesinger seems pretty good, and I guess 12 points in primal where you can only use one of the spells.

[dogsoldier]

The Primal Mass Frog is not really worth it, 1 min cooldown, and touch range only, and so much filler to get there. Exalted Holy Fireball is usable at range and 9 second cooldown, plus free Intensify, and a little less filler getting there. Draconic is going to be more damage, but Exalted is nice for an Apothecary.

[Seph1roth5]

That's one of my main issues with the ED pass, so much filler ****. I've gone through maybe 5-6 chars/lives from 20-30 and it seems like a good 10 of my DP are just wasted getting to a higher tier. Or I'm sitting on 5+ DP at any one time waiting for lv 26 or 30 because it's not worth it to splash another tree other than cocoon or a little fort, just to reset later.

[dogsoldier]

Yeah, lots of filler in many Destinies. Also most of the T5s are pretty meh, as in, I am not certain that I would take most of them even if they were T4. Most of the time taking two solid destinies to T4 with enough extra points for 11/12 in a 3rd is better than taking one to T5, with only a few things in other destinies.

Dropping the requirements for points spent from 20 to 15 for T4, and 30 to 25 for T5 would make it more reasonable, still filler required, just not as much of it.

And many of the mantles are not worth considering at all, which kind of makes those destinies pretty irrelevant.

[voxson5]

I've been enjoying shiradi mantle + prism, drconic t5 & strike, ea core 3 for wings