Hey Devs: Please Adjust the Nebula Fragment Drop Rate

[karatemack]

I have run Saltmarsh on reaper until ransack for each quest more times than I would like to admit. I have memorized the explorer area and exhausted all attempts to pull a nebula fragment from there as well over the last few months and on multiple characters. I have spent over 4,000 Astral Shards on chest re-rolls. Not a single Nebula Fragment has dropped. Not just not for me, but also not for anyone who has been in the group with me while I was farming.

Please, either adjust the drop rate for the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to make them in-game. (IE: 25 star fragments can be crafted into 1 nebula fragment)

I know that some people have been very lucky with pulls. I am happy for them and that they have been able to participate in the new crafting system. Many of us have not been lucky, or have been extraordinarily unlucky. Months in an not a single pull, let alone the 5 or so I will need to equip all of the alts/builds I play. Please, help us out here and change the drop rate on the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to craft them in-game.

Thank you for your consideration.

[Marshal_Lannes]

Star to Nebula seems reasonable but not at 25:1. More like 500:1 would replicate the rarity.

[Oxarhamar]

I have run Saltmarsh on reaper until ransack for each quest more times than I would like to admit. I have memorized the explorer area and exhausted all attempts to pull a nebula fragment from there as well over the last few months and on multiple characters. I have spent over 4,000 Astral Shards on chest re-rolls. Not a single Nebula Fragment has dropped. Not just not for me, but also not for anyone who has been in the group with me while I was farming.

Please, either adjust the drop rate for the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to make them in-game. (IE: 25 star fragments can be crafted into 1 nebula fragment)

I know that some people have been very lucky with pulls. I am happy for them and that they have been able to participate in the new crafting system. Many of us have not been lucky, or have been extraordinarily unlucky. Months in an not a single pull, let alone the 5 or so I will need to equip all of the alts/builds I play. Please, help us out here and change the drop rate on the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to craft them in-game.

Thank you for your consideration.

The solution is to stop spending shards on rolls that's what the whole terribad drop rate is intended to incourage don't reward bad design

[LightBear]

Saltmarch is a failure loot wise.
A stupid crafting system that nulls legendary drops except for the artefacts.
A promise of some spin on the fey-chest type, not delivered.
A max number of nebula fragments that can drop.
And then some stupid tour.

Oh, and I doubt a dev be reading this thread as everybody is on vacation.

[Kza]

I have run Saltmarsh on reaper until ransack for each quest more times than I would like to admit. I have memorized the explorer area and exhausted all attempts to pull a nebula fragment from there as well over the last few months and on multiple characters. I have spent over 4,000 Astral Shards on chest re-rolls. Not a single Nebula Fragment has dropped. Not just not for me, but also not for anyone who has been in the group with me while I was farming.

Please, either adjust the drop rate for the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to make them in-game. (IE: 25 star fragments can be crafted into 1 nebula fragment)

I know that some people have been very lucky with pulls. I am happy for them and that they have been able to participate in the new crafting system. Many of us have not been lucky, or have been extraordinarily unlucky. Months in an not a single pull, let alone the 5 or so I will need to equip all of the alts/builds I play. Please, help us out here and change the drop rate on the Nebula Fragment or give us a way to craft them in-game.

Thank you for your consideration.

Signed 18794613874562389546239857 times. Frustrated? me? ....................

(Imho to have it rare and something to strive for ... 50:1 or even 75 to 1 had been high but you knew you had something to strive for.)

[Airmaiden]

They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck.

I have pulled 9 of them (used 2 for crafting and realized most of the "perfected items" are junk).

They need to make it so that ANY Artifact can have a 4th Filigree added to it with a Nebula fragment.


Also, 100:1 star Fragments to Nebula would be cool also.

[TophatAces]

The solution is to stop spending shards on rolls that's what the whole terribad drop rate is intended to incourage don't reward bad design

I mean if the design is meant to make you spend money . This is really good design .

[TophatAces]

[QUOTE=LightBear;6490712
A stupid crafting system that nulls legendary drops except for the artefacts.
[/QUOTE]

They dropped that about a week after it came out ..

[Oxarhamar]

I mean if the design is meant to make you spend money . This is really good design .

Nope

Milking people with micro transactions until they are frustrated is not a good design it's a temporary process that has an expiration date

[slarden]

They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck.

I have pulled 9 of them

/Thread

It's tough to argue the drop rate when someone pulled 9.

[karatemack]

They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck.

I have pulled 9 of them (used 2 for crafting and realized most of the "perfected items" are junk).

They need to make it so that ANY Artifact can have a 4th Filigree added to it with a Nebula fragment.


Also, 100:1 star Fragments to Nebula would be cool also.


You could be correct. All of the evidence that I have in anecdotal. With that being said, multiple players on the forums, "unofficial" DDO Discord, in pugs that I group with and who have been present with me when looting in Saltmarsh relate the same/similar experience.

Airmaiden, would you mind sharing a bit about how you engage with the content? Do you run normal/hard/elite/reaper? If reaper, which setting? Of the 9, how many dropped from the explorer area? How many chests do you estimate you looted in order to acquire the 9 you have?

This information would be useful, as for years now I have had confirmation bias reinforcing the idea that certain loot has a higher chance to drop on lower settings. Most of the players I run with are heavily engaged in Reaper. Of the endgame players I know who have pulled Nebula Fragments, many of them report pulling them from the explorer zone. I'd be curious to know if we aren't seeing them because we're running the content on a more difficult setting.

Thank you for your response.

Also- Have a Merry Christmas everyone! :)

[Cantor]

You could be correct. All of the evidence that I have in anecdotal. With that being said, multiple players on the forums, "unofficial" DDO Discord, in pugs that I group with and who have been present with me when looting in Saltmarsh relate the same/similar experience.

Airmaiden, would you mind sharing a bit about how you engage with the content? Do you run normal/hard/elite/reaper? If reaper, which setting? Of the 9, how many dropped from the explorer area? How many chests do you estimate you looted in order to acquire the 9 you have?

This information would be useful, as for years now I have had confirmation bias reinforcing the idea that certain loot has a higher chance to drop on lower settings. Most of the players I run with are heavily engaged in Reaper. Of the endgame players I know who have pulled Nebula Fragments, many of them report pulling them from the explorer zone. I'd be curious to know if we aren't seeing them because we're running the content on a more difficult setting.

Thank you for your response.

Also- Have a Merry Christmas everyone! :)

If you dont recognize airmaiden. They are basically the most active player and I assume it's all high reaper. So it's not the experience anyone else can expect.if you want 5 and someone like that doesn't have 50.... give up.

[dredre9987]

A max number of nebula fragments that can drop.




Where the hell are you getting this from?

[karatemack]

A max number of nebula fragments that can drop.


I missed this on the first read. Is this confirmed by a dev somewhere?

Also, I'm not unhappy with Saltmarsh as a whole. I like the perfected artifacts and the filigrees from Saltmarsh are amazing. I enjoy running most of the quests on R10 and see a lot of potential with the loot system. The legendary set bonus from Saltmarsh left many dissatisfied, but I'm of the unpopular opinion that every update doesn't need to one-up the previous. You have more options and a lot of interesting pieces of gear you can slot in. If Saltmarsh had replaced all previous best filigrees AND all of the legendary loot, it likely would have been "too much" powercreep in a single update.

[Blerk]

They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck.

I have pulled 9 of them (used 2 for crafting and realized most of the "perfected items" are junk).

That seems like a lot. How many chests/rerolls would you estimate you opened/did to get that number of fragments?


They need to make it so that ANY Artifact can have a 4th Filigree added to it with a Nebula fragment.

I agree that would be a good addition. But these days SSG seems to specialise in producing crafting systems that are primarily about generating ill feeling towards them and between players, but that hardly anyone will actually ever use.


Also, 100:1 star Fragments to Nebula would be cool also.

Sure, this would be a nice way out for those people who are very keen on these items but can't beat the RNG.

[dogsoldier]

I have just pulled one Nebula Fragment total. And I don't run saltmarsh all that much, but I do loop the rares in the explorer area regularly for sentient xp. I didn't realize that I dropped it at the time, found it with Dungeon Helper, showed up in one of my mules ingredient bags, that char probably only looped the rares a few times total. And I am not certain that I will even use it, as there are other minor artifacts that I like to use, a couple from Saltmarsh like the Two-Headed Platinum piece, and the Ring of the Kraken.

[Airmaiden]

You could be correct. All of the evidence that I have in anecdotal. With that being said, multiple players on the forums, "unofficial" DDO Discord, in pugs that I group with and who have been present with me when looting in Saltmarsh relate the same/similar experience.

Airmaiden, would you mind sharing a bit about how you engage with the content? Do you run normal/hard/elite/reaper? If reaper, which setting? Of the 9, how many dropped from the explorer area? How many chests do you estimate you looted in order to acquire the 9 you have?

This information would be useful, as for years now I have had confirmation bias reinforcing the idea that certain loot has a higher chance to drop on lower settings. Most of the players I run with are heavily engaged in Reaper. Of the endgame players I know who have pulled Nebula Fragments, many of them report pulling them from the explorer zone. I'd be curious to know if we aren't seeing them because we're running the content on a more difficult setting.

Thank you for your response.

Also- Have a Merry Christmas everyone! :)


I have been bored with the game for the last few months, so I have been farming the rares in SM.......a LOT!

I just pulled my 10th one yesterday and gave to a friend (this was the 1st one I pulled in a quest and I have run the saga 12 times on R8-10).


I do not reroll.


I just tell everyone to run the rares 7 times (that will ransack you on the 2 rares that are always up). you will get about 6-7 chests per run....so 42-49 chests per toon/ per week.....you also get Sentient XP and Coins currently.

[Shefenhow]

Something wierd here then. I have ransacked a total of 16+ times with various of my characters on the rare chests in Saltmarsh, all of these I kept going after ransacking the two chests that are always there (though not till all chests ransacked, usually around 10-14 of the 17 chests ransacked). No rerolls (apart from maybe twice when I misclicked when tired lol) but 11+ hours with discovery 10% potions. Thats at least 40 hours I have spent in there over the last 5 weeks. I have also run through the saga at least 7 times, mostly on reaper 4, twice on Elite and once on Reaper 8, though in theory this isn't the issue as the drops seem more common in the Wilderness if I am reading this thread right.

I have around 150 Star fragments, got a sentient gem from empty to 135k+ and not seen hide nor hair of a Nebula.

To be fair if someone is spending 400 hours in there and getting 9 or 10, that could be why I haven't yet seen one, and I just need to spend more time in there. But it still doesn't mean the balance is right if that amount of farming is required imho.

I would also be the first to say it could just be my bad luck. But plenty of others including the OP seem to be having issues also.

[Oxarhamar]

I have been bored with the game for the last few months, so I have been farming the rares in SM.......a LOT!

I just pulled my 10th one yesterday and gave to a friend (this was the 1st one I pulled in a quest and I have run the saga 12 times on R8-10).


I do not reroll.


I just tell everyone to run the rares 7 times (that will ransack you on the 2 rares that are always up). you will get about 6-7 chests per run....so 42-49 chests per toon/ per week.....you also get Sentient XP and Coins currently.

I've been doing this & I've not seen a single one not in my loot and not in chest for anyone else

I am not after the Nebula Fragment I am after some of the rare filigree just have not seen any either

I am glad that there is a reason to run rares I use to love hunting bloodstone & Ross but the low slayer count is a let down

[Oxarhamar]

Something wierd here then. I have ransacked a total of 16+ times with various of my characters on the rare chests in Saltmarsh, all of these I kept going after ransacking the two chests that are always there (though not till all chests ransacked, usually around 10-14 of the 17 chests ransacked). No rerolls (apart from maybe twice when I misclicked when tired lol) but 11+ hours with discovery 10% potions. Thats at least 40 hours I have spent in there over the last 5 weeks. I have also run through the saga at least 7 times, mostly on reaper 4, twice on Elite and once on Reaper 8, though in theory this isn't the issue as the drops seem more common in the Wilderness if I am reading this thread right.

I have around 150 Star fragments, got a sentient gem from empty to 135k+ and not seen hide nor hair of a Nebula.

To be fair if someone is spending 400 hours in there and getting 9 or 10, that could be why I haven't yet seen one, and I just need to spend more time in there. But it still doesn't mean the balance is right if that amount of farming is required imho.

I would also be the first to say it could just be my bad luck. But plenty of others including the OP seem to be having issues also.

I think as far as the explorer goes it is just more chests per minute than the quests

[Airmaiden]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

[Oxarhamar]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

Isn't that just a confirmation of the issue

12 charcters x7 runs + the sagas multiple times weekly

a dozen characters thru SM rares till ransack lol

[Kielbasa]

Looks like most people can now safely opt out of the nebula system now that we know what sort of commitment is needed to get them to drop. Thanks for sharing the info. Happy Holidays all! Don't forget to hydrate and get some fresh air while braving the inlaws gauntlet.

[karatemack]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

2 additional weeks of ransacking on multiple characters. Still no drop. This includes the slayer and multiple quests on reaper until ransack.

[Airmaiden]

2 additional weeks of ransacking on multiple characters. Still no drop. This includes the slayer and multiple quests on reaper until ransack.

So, I have been keeping a close eye on these drop and marking down how many chest I open. Looks like my luck has run out.....Since my last post, I have only pulled 2 Nebula fragments from a total (give or take a few) of 1171 chests in the SM explorer area.

[Mindos]

I just tell everyone to run the rares 7 times (that will ransack you on the 2 rares that are always up)..

Which two? I know the stone one on top of the hill, but what's the other one that's always up?

Also, you can loot 8 times before ransack.

[Aelonwy]

Which two? I know the stone one on top of the hill, but what's the other one that's always up?

Also, you can loot 8 times before ransack.

I ran the rares a lot on HC recently, the kelpie never failed to appear, perhaps that's the other one.

[Bjond]

run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers) [...] Do not get frustrated
Boiled it down a little. So, 500 chests isn't enough? It takes weeks (plural) of that? Uh, that's YEARS for most players. That's truly industrial grade farming.

My HCL character got bored after about 4 runs in the wilderness. During that cycle, I got exactly ONE star fragment -- wasn't even trying to farm for nebula. Fortunately, forum was helpful and I swapped to running quests for stars. So far, every quest has given a star. I've never seen a nebula either on live or on HCL, but then I've also not opened thousands of chests.

IMHO, 2~3 sagas or wilderness ransacks should be about right for a nebula. It should be similar to the Sharn chance for a minor artifact, because that's what a nebula does and because a nebula also requires farming the base item. You've already put in the required farm effort before you even got the nebula.

[LightBear]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

[karatemack]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

If this is true, then Aelonwy is right in their assessment of taking away power creep just to put it back into the game.

Given the amount of grind to produce a single perfected artifact, if the next couple of updates make that gear outdated due to powercreep- then we're back to Epic Gianthold all over again. I truly hope this isn't the case.

[Oxarhamar]

For those frustrated, we'll all have level 34 gear gear when those levels and quests are pushed to live.

Yeah thats one reason not wasting time on this absurdity

[LightBear]

If this is true, then Aelonwy is right in their assessment of taking away power creep just to put it back into the game.

Given the amount of grind to produce a single perfected artifact, if the next couple of updates make that gear outdated due to powercreep- then we're back to Epic Gianthold all over again. I truly hope this isn't the case.

The mechanism isn't new, level x means x affix' stat/skill/power/etc/etc.
It has always been like that.
That's why it was a bad idea to keep the game fixed at level 30 for such a long time.
SSG could have kept those numbers at the same level and come up with interesting designs/types for new content.
Instead we got powercreep first to sell new content, and then a massive redesign later on.

[Gilga1]

I'd happily trade 1000 Star Fragments for a Nebula.
Please make it happen :)

[Tilomere]

It has been known for a reasonably long period of time that Slavelords ingredient chests (the small ones) do not ransack. I'm not sure how long this has been a bug but I have never had a ransack since I started running it. This may no longer be a significant issue as the majority of players have already acquired their slavers sets but should be fixed for the sake of consistency with other chests.

On the other hand it feels like the drop rate of Slave master's busts must be extraordinarily low and maybe it is set this low due to the fact that the chests do not ransack and the dev's believe players should farm until their eyes bleed.

Here are some actual stats (I have kept track of every quest completion) that should be fairly accurate but they will be slight skewed by the fact that there have been a few times when I have run in a partially full group. The vast majority of my runs have been full groups and I have assumed a group size of 5. In reality the number is actually likely to be even worse than stated below.

Ingredient chests opened by quest. 95% of runs have been reaper 1+. 1-2 would be at LE and 1-2 at LH. All these runs have been performed in the last 8 months.

Slave Pits of the Undercity = 540 (6 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Secret of the Slavers' Stockade = 720 (8 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords = 540 (6 ingredient chests per run @ 90 runs)
Chain chests opened = 1800 * 5 person party = 9000.

Slave master's busts that have dropped = 2 players (One stack of 10 and one stack of 11). That is a drop rate of 0.0002%. Taking into account deviation at best it would maybe 0.001% if I have been incrediabily unlucky (and everyone I have ever run with).

Yes. In 9000+ ingredient chest openings I have seen 2 stacks of slave master's busts drop. ... In the meantime I have gotten more than 10 reaper items including a couple of reaper named items. ... I have looted 2 stacks of statuettes (and seen a total of 10 stacks drop).


Super rare is roughly 1 in 5000 as per Slave Lords Busts, with uncommonly rare Slave Lords Statuettes being 5x that at 1 in 1000. At approximately 20 chests also in a Saltmarsh loop, you are looking at approximately 250 loops through Saltmarsh to get a Nebula.

Also gives low reaper reaper affix drop rate for reaper crafting. ~12-18 items in 1800 chests is ~0.7%-1% drop rate for reaper affix per chest that can drop named items. So normal rare is 1%.


I have spent over 4,000 Astral Shards on chest re-rolls.

You're not even within a factor of 10. At 15 per reroll, 5000 chests is 3750 rerolls and 56,250 Astral Shards to "buy" a Nebula, on average.

[BlueLiger]

Whilst I was lucky enough to pull 1 Nebula Frag early on my 3rd run in the slayer area not even trying to farm it as I didn't know it was thing until I saw post about and checked by character bags. I would gladly trade it for 100 reaper points as the 'perfected' artifacts for my Barbarian are useless.

If they allowed a 4th filigree on the Charune cloak from C Hills I would say otherwise but until then, the completed frame is useless to me and if I could trade it to someone for RXP I would

[GODDEATH]

Regarding the nebula fragment when will it be added to more loot tables across the lands.
This was specifically noted as coming in the future by the Dev team and notes.
Looking forward to that day.

[BlueLiger]

Regarding the nebula fragment when will it be added to more loot tables across the lands.
This was specifically noted as coming in the future by the Dev team and notes.
Looking forward to that day.

If they do do this (if they remember what they said) I would recommend to do so when saltmarsh hits the store for DDO points.

[Oxarhamar]

Whilst I was lucky enough to pull 1 Nebula Frag early on my 3rd run in the slayer area not even trying to farm it as I didn't know it was thing until I saw post about and checked by character bags. I would gladly trade it for 100 reaper points as the 'perfected' artifacts for my Barbarian are useless.

If they allowed a 4th filigree on the Charune cloak from C Hills I would say otherwise but until then, the completed frame is useless to me and if I could trade it to someone for RXP I would

This is another issue with the thing besides the other problem of artifacts being exclusive and competitive with set artifacts

The drop rate is abysmal but it's also ignorable

[Chilldude]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)

Oh, I see, just run 12 toons 7 times a week through the explorer. Gotcha. Simple as that. Sounds fun... errrr.... I mean how do I unsubscribe?

Seriously though. Dude posts a thread about the abysmal drop rate and you reply that the drop rate is... let me go back and quote you... "They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck." Ummm..... I'd say 6 weeks of 12 toons doing 7 runs and getting only 9 is EXTREMELY rare, make that STUPENDOUSLY rare. That's THREE THOUSAND chest pulls for 9. That's a .3% drop rate. To put it another way, when you open a chest there is a 99.7% chance you won't get one. I don't think you need bad luck to not pull something when you have a 99.7% chance of not pulling it. I'd say you need monumentally stellar luck to ever hope to see one without playing the game like you have a crack addiction.

[karatemack]

Have the devs weighed in on this in another thread that I missed?

It would be really nice for a dev to comment.

[Azoyhn]

To Be fair, when DDO/ and or player base says "this is SUPER rare", I take that as a challenge and Farm, Farm, Farm.......gives me something to do as I have pretty much everything in the game.

15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)


So, just so people understand the math.

1. I run 12 toons x 7 runs per week. (little over 500 chests per week in the slayers)
2. I run a couple R10 Sagas per week
3. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks.


Do not get frustrated in your farming. Just run 7 times on whatever toons you have that can run SM Rares and enjoy the Sentient XP and plat or whatever you might need....Nebula fragments will eventually come your way.

If you are on sarlona, send me a message and you can always join in my farms =)
Let's see, i'll use my monk for the math, just for your benefit. It takes me about 5m a run through saltmarsh with Abundant Step, Shadow Walk, and Spring Attack. 5m*7 runs = 35minutes. 35 minutes * 12 toons is 420 minutes. 420 minutes to hours is roughly 7 hours. That's giving you the benefit that you know what you're doing. How about the couple of R10 sagas. Those take roughly 1hr 30m if you've got a good group (going based off my pb's with a friend duo). 7h + 4h 30m that's 11h 30m just farming saltmarsh A WEEK. My good sir, not everyone has that freaking time in the world. A lot of us have jobs in the real world and/or marriages and kids to look after. If I shall use better math and the speed of my ranger, you'd be at roughly ~18 hours, and that's a freaking part time job. Most of us touch grass, but that appears you don't since you live and breath ddo. The first section alone

"15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)"

...can make most of us identify you've got an addiction like it's a drug. One, you might be right about pulling "10" of these Nebulas in roughly 35000 chests. But I also don't have the god awful time to do pull 35,000 chests. I have pulled ~6,000 chests with only 1 dropping, and that was in an R4 Swim at your own risk. So that fact that you've pulled 10 in a majority of them being wilderness areas with a 0.03% chance is ridiculously good. Good on you, but please go touch some grass.

Enjoy this paragraph because it will probably be deleted for "offending people" and "do not tell people to touch grass", nor am I going to respond because I am too lazy to relogin to my forum account

[Airmaiden]

Let's see, i'll use my monk for the math, just for your benefit. It takes me about 5m a run through saltmarsh with Abundant Step, Shadow Walk, and Spring Attack. 5m*7 runs = 35minutes. 35 minutes * 12 toons is 420 minutes. 420 minutes to hours is roughly 7 hours. That's giving you the benefit that you know what you're doing. How about the couple of R10 sagas. Those take roughly 1hr 30m if you've got a good group (going based off my pb's with a friend duo). 7h + 4h 30m that's 11h 30m just farming saltmarsh A WEEK. My good sir, not everyone has that freaking time in the world. A lot of us have jobs in the real world and/or marriages and kids to look after. If I shall use better math and the speed of my ranger, you'd be at roughly ~18 hours, and that's a freaking part time job. Most of us touch grass, but that appears you don't since you live and breath ddo. The first section alone

"15 Reaper Stat helms
14 Legendary Spell storing ring and 12 Epic Spell storing rings
32+K Threads
over 10K runes from 6 raids
222 Reaper points on main toon (about a 100 Million reaper XP on main account)"

...can make most of us identify you've got an addiction like it's a drug. One, you might be right about pulling "10" of these Nebulas in roughly 35000 chests. But I also don't have the god awful time to do pull 35,000 chests. I have pulled ~6,000 chests with only 1 dropping, and that was in an R4 Swim at your own risk. So that fact that you've pulled 10 in a majority of them being wilderness areas with a 0.03% chance is ridiculously good. Good on you, but please go touch some grass.

Enjoy this paragraph because it will probably be deleted for "offending people" and "do not tell people to touch grass", nor am I going to respond because I am too lazy to relogin to my forum account

1st of all, I hope they do not delete your post. Does not offend me. Your math seems right for 1 account. I run 2 accounts at the same time ( 4 monitors) so easy to take that down to 12-13 hours of SM rares per week.
As for your comment " touch some grass"....lol it's -35 for a high today and I do not feel like using a shovel to "touch some grass", so I am retired and play DDO in the winter and golf in the summer.

I have ransacked 28 toons ( in the slayer area) since my post and have not pulled 1 yet, so maybe I was just getting lucky.

[Chilldude]

1st of all, I hope they do not delete your post. Does not offend me. Your math seems right for 1 account. I run 2 accounts at the same time ( 4 monitors) so easy to take that down to 12-13 hours of SM rares per week.
As for your comment " touch some grass"....lol it's -35 for a high today and I do not feel like using a shovel to "touch some grass", so I am retired and play DDO in the winter and golf in the summer.

I have ransacked 28 toons ( in the slayer area) since my post and have not pulled 1 yet, so maybe I was just getting lucky.


I have ransacked 28 toons ( in the slayer area) since my post and have not pulled 1 yet, so maybe I was just getting lucky.


so maybe I was just getting lucky.

I genuinely appreciate and respect someone that can admit when they are wrong. You started out saying...


They are not rare, you must just be having bad luck.

...and then finally admitted that...


maybe I was just getting lucky.

That's great that you didn't try to keep pushing a false narrative which is all too common these days. However, perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here. Someone started a thread to discuss the abysmal drop rate, citing their own experience from pulling a very large number of chests and never seeing one drop for them or anyone else in the party, but you immediately dismiss their claim professing it's not even rare because you have 9 of them. Only later did you expound on your methodology used in obtaining those 9, which wholly served to confirm OP's original contention that the drop rate is absolutely abysmal, even though you attempted to use it as a case study in how to easily acquire them. Ultimately you confess that the already abysmal drop rate you offered forth has declined significantly since your post.

When I feel the urge to vehemently contradict something, it flags a caution signal to me to be extra careful about what I say and to back it up with as much evidence as possible. Like so many people on the forums before you, your initial false claim derailed what might have been an otherwise productive discussion on the drop rate of Nebula Fragments. It's not entirely your fault, the bulk of the blame lies squarely at the feet of the average person who is unable to employ critical thinking skills in order to dismiss your entirely unsupported claim altogether.

Had you thought it through before you replied you might have realized this is the general discussion forum. Generally, most players aren't going to be able to ransack 28 toons a week farming an item. Generally, most players will never see such an item even if they play for years and years. In actuality, you had the experience and data to support the initial contention that the drop rate is abysmal, and your first post should have been something like...

As a retired person, shut in from the bitter cold, I spend the better part of every day relentlessly grinding chests that can drop a Nebula Fragment. I have ran 12 toons 7 times a week through the explorer (about 500 total chests per week) for 6 weeks straight and have only pulled 9 Nebula Fragments. That is over 3000 chests in total making the drop rate less than .3%. Therefore I can confirm the drop rate is exceptionally low, even for DDO.


That would have been an excellent contribution to the discussion. You had cold hard numbers, the exact thing that is needed when dealing with random events. Your numbers prove beyond all doubt that Nebula Fragments are exceedingly rare. From there the discussion can investigate the intentions of the developers. Is it there intention that the only way to acquire a Nebula fragment is to be outrageously lucky or play all day every day? Perhaps it is. I know the developers are terrible with Mathematics, so I am inclined to believe that it is most likely that they just didn't understand the drop rate they attached to the fragments. With a .3% drop rate you are looking at over 2000 pulls before you can be reasonably sure someone will get the drop. That's a lot of pulls.

Personally I would never even consider rerolling a chest... EVER. That's like paying a bully to only beat you up a little bit every day. You are literally employing someone to smack you around. However, to the developers rerolling chests might factor into their math. Even still, according to the wiki, you can only reroll 3 times per chest, so that over 2000 number remains over 500 pulls even with rerolls. Something tells me that even the devs can understand that when you pay a bully to only beat you up a little bit hundreds upon hundreds of times but he continues to pummel the stuffing out of you whether you pay him or not, you'll eventually catch on that you might as well keep your money and just take the beating.

To me it's clearly either a math error or they simply do not intend for anyone but the grindiest of the grinders to have one. Although I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a math error, I am well aware that they reward grind above all else in DDO, so it's a toss up.

[Agr33n3]

I genuinely appreciate and respect someone that can admit when they are wrong. You started out saying...



...and then finally admitted that...



That's great that you didn't try to keep pushing a false narrative which is all too common these days. However, perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here. Someone started a thread to discuss the abysmal drop rate, citing their own experience from pulling a very large number of chests and never seeing one drop for them or anyone else in the party, but you immediately dismiss their claim professing it's not even rare because you have 9 of them. Only later did you expound on your methodology used in obtaining those 9, which wholly served to confirm OP's original contention that the drop rate is absolutely abysmal, even though you attempted to use it as a case study in how to easily acquire them. Ultimately you confess that the already abysmal drop rate you offered forth has declined significantly since your post.

When I feel the urge to vehemently contradict something, it flags a caution signal to me to be extra careful about what I say and to back it up with as much evidence as possible. Like so many people on the forums before you, your initial false claim derailed what might have been an otherwise productive discussion on the drop rate of Nebula Fragments. It's not entirely your fault, the bulk of the blame lies squarely at the feet of the average person who is unable to employ critical thinking skills in order to dismiss your entirely unsupported claim altogether.

Had you thought it through before you replied you might have realized this is the general discussion forum. Generally, most players aren't going to be able to ransack 28 toons a week farming an item. Generally, most players will never see such an item even if they play for years and years. In actuality, you had the experience and data to support the initial contention that the drop rate is abysmal, and your first post should have been something like...

As a retired person, shut in from the bitter cold, I spend the better part of every day relentlessly grinding chests that can drop a Nebula Fragment. I have ran 12 toons 7 times a week through the explorer (about 500 total chests per week) for 6 weeks straight and have only pulled 9 Nebula Fragments. That is over 3000 chests in total making the drop rate less than .3%. Therefore I can confirm the drop rate is exceptionally low, even for DDO.


That would have been an excellent contribution to the discussion. You had cold hard numbers, the exact thing that is needed when dealing with random events. Your numbers prove beyond all doubt that Nebula Fragments are exceedingly rare. From there the discussion can investigate the intentions of the developers. Is it there intention that the only way to acquire a Nebula fragment is to be outrageously lucky or play all day every day? Perhaps it is. I know the developers are terrible with Mathematics, so I am inclined to believe that it is most likely that they just didn't understand the drop rate they attached to the fragments. With a .3% drop rate you are looking at over 2000 pulls before you can be reasonably sure someone will get the drop. That's a lot of pulls.

Personally I would never even consider rerolling a chest... EVER. That's like paying a bully to only beat you up a little bit every day. You are literally employing someone to smack you around. However, to the developers rerolling chests might factor into their math. Even still, according to the wiki, you can only reroll 3 times per chest, so that over 2000 number remains over 500 pulls even with rerolls. Something tells me that even the devs can understand that when you pay a bully to only beat you up a little bit hundreds upon hundreds of times but he continues to pummel the stuffing out of you whether you pay him or not, you'll eventually catch on that you might as well keep your money and just take the beating.

To me it's clearly either a math error or they simply do not intend for anyone but the grindiest of the grinders to have one. Although I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a math error, I am well aware that they reward grind above all else in DDO, so it's a toss up.

THIS. THIS makes me so happy. I am a numbers person, and hearing the phrase "case study" is icing on the cake.

Numbers don't lie, but they can be manipulated through statistics. The numbers you gave as an example is perfect way to display how your frustration is backed up by repeated experiences in a certain way.

I love your argument.

[LightBear]

So it's the good old two rolls problem all over again?
First roll to see if you get a named item, giving 20% in an explorer zone and 36% on r1.
Second roll to see what you get and this nebula fragment is on the 100 spot of a d100 only, making it consistent with the 0,03% chance.
Or is it even on a 3th roll as there seem to be 3 types of fragments?

[Mindos]

Or is it even on a 3th roll as there seem to be 3 types of fragments?

Hmmm. Anyone get a Nebula and a Star fragment at the same time?

[Fauxknight]

I've cleared all the quests a good number of times, usually on reaper, and ran the outdoor zone quite a bit, no fragment yet for me.